[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 16
Anne Stadler via OSList
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Thu Nov 20 13:39:18 PST 2014
Is OpenSpace a Meeting?
Dear Daniel et al
For me, open space is a condition of life.
OST has many forms: a meeting or gathering is the most common collective form.
However, it's also a way of life, a "technology" (tool) for living one's life.
Do you find yourself (in your inner talk) applying the law or principles that way?
Eg: "Do i really care about that? Maybe i'll pass that one up."
Or in relationship?
Eg: someone you were expecting at a meeting doesn't show up: "Oh ok...Whoever comes are the right people."
For me, this form of OST keeps me in the flow of the life force.
Hmmm maybe OST is a way of tracking the life force? In one's personal life as well as our collective life??
Those are some thoughts that are coming to me. You're raising interesting questions, Daniel. Thanks!
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> 1. Re: Open Space for my own team (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
> 2. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (John Baxter via OSList)
> 3. Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
> 4. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
> 5. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
> 6. Re: Critical Testing (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
> 7. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList)
> 8. Re: Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
> 9. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
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> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:45:17 -0500
> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space for my own team
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> Hi Agnieszka,
>
> I feel you have excellent instincts with respect to your discomfort with
> the idea of Facilitating and participating as a member at the same time.
> Like you, I, too am also uncomfortable... occupying the roles of
> Facilitator and Participant at the same time.
>
> I coach Agile. If I am functioning as coach to the group, I always
> refrain from Facilitating OST, because my current belief is that I
> probably cannot be effective as the OST Facilitator in that spot.
>
> In any event, instead, I prefer to pay a friend to do the Facilitation,
> and then play in the OST game as a Participant.
>
>
> And so: I wonder if you might have a local friend, someone interested in
> your OST work, who is not currently a member of your team. I wonder if
> you could teach this local-friend person the basics of OST Facilitation
> ahead of time. I wonder if you could teach this person how to do it, in,
> say, 1 or 2 hours, with a little, private, mock "chairs-in-a-circle"
> walk-through, with the posters, etc.
>
> I wonder if your friend might then be willing to actually do the
> Facilitation of your team's OST event, in exchange for your excellent
> before/during/after mentoring (and the very excellent learn-by-doing
> opportunity.)
>
> Kind Regards,
> Daniel
>
>
>
>> On 11/19/14 2:58 AM, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I
>> really would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I
>> shouldn't.
>> We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm
>> tryng to work this out...
>>
>> Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?
>>
>> Greets
>> Agnieszka
>>
>>
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> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey
> examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>
> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
> package that describes an event.
>
> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space,
> you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things
> in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of
> 'gathering' too.
>
> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it,
> I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> *John Baxter*
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> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic
>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying
>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>> open space."
>>
>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at
>> a time.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>
>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>
>> meet?ing
>> ?m?diNG/
>> noun
>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>
>> 1.
>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
>> *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>> * informal get-together*
>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>> * 2.*
>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
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> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology.
> I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a
> trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived
> experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among
> our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to
> collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable
> science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the
> task of building of such survey database along with the standardized
> questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long
> past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it?
> Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this
> endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor.
> My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then
> allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also
> the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic
> ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>
> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
> processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less
> controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
> broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
> processes.
>
> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
> analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
> difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
> procedures.
>
> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
> hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
> was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for
> reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
> make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
> of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
> principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
> prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
> the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
> time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts
> of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
> freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
> previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
> Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
> preconditions.
>
> In openness,
> K?ri the group coach
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> I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset.
> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
> Chuni Li
> ? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>
> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event.
>
> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
> Cheers
>
> John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the open space."
>
> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time.
>
> ??? Harold
>
> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>
> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>
> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>
> meet?ing
> ?m?diNG/
> noun
> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>
> ??? 1.
> ??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or committee, for discussion or entertainment.
> ??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
> ??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More
> ??? power lunch, power breakfast;
> ??? informal get-together
> ??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
> ??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
> ??? 2.
> ??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
> ??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
> ??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
>
>
>
> Is Open Space a meeting?
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter.? Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community.?
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> I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset.
> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
> Chuni Li
> ? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>
> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event.
>
> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
> Cheers
>
> John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the open space."
>
> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time.
>
> ??? Harold
>
> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>
> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>
> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>
> meet?ing
> ?m?diNG/
> noun
> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>
> ??? 1.
> ??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or committee, for discussion or entertainment.
> ??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
> ??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More
> ??? power lunch, power breakfast;
> ??? informal get-together
> ??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
> ??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
> ??? 2.
> ??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
> ??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
> ??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
>
>
>
> Is Open Space a meeting?
>
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> --
> Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter.? Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community.?
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> Hi K?ri,
>
> Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
>
> Daniel
>
>> On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
>> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
>> technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort.
>> An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the
>> nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data
>> collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given
>> to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make
>> their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably
>> be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such
>> survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time
>> to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There
>> is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a
>> real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even
>> try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision
>> is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow
>> events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
>> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is
>> also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it
>> is a topic ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>>
>> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of "participatory
>> processes" and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
>> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is
>> less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be
>> part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of
>> participatory processes.
>>
>> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type
>> of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look
>> at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
>> procedures.
>>
>> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short
>> 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
>> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
>> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
>> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally
>> I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
>> time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and
>> topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch
>> was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the
>> introduction of principles ... "Whatever happens is the only thing
>> that could have, be prepared to be surprised!"... democracy of the
>> feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake
>> for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention
>> by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked
>> out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology
>> opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been
>> submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little
>> time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions.
>>
>> In openness,
>> K?ri the group coach
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
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>
> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>
> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>
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> Agile Manager.
>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:59:07 -0500
> From: Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: chunili2000 at yahoo.com, World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
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> slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
>
> however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
> about what OS can *do*:
>
> to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
> really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
> the same thing.
>
> So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
> the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
>
>
>
> *Rosa Zubizarreta*
>
> *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com
> <http://www.diapraxis.com/>*
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
>>
>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way
>> in terms of a mindset.
>>
>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
>> name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
>>
>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>>
>> Chuni Li
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *To:* Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>; World wide Open Space
>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey
>> examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>>
>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
>> package that describes an event.
>>
>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these
>> things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms
>> of 'gathering' too.
>>
>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
>> it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> *John Baxter*
>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com
>> <http://cocreateadl.com/>
>> 0405 447 829
>> ? | ?
>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>
>>
>> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City
>> Grill!*
>> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>*
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic
>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying
>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>> open space."
>>
>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at
>> a time.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>>
>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>
>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>
>> meet?ing
>> ?m?diNG/
>> noun
>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>
>> 1.
>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
>> *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>> * informal get-together*
>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>> * 2.*
>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
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>> Community.
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:59:56 +0000
> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space
> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Hi Daniel
>
> You are welcome.
>
> My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the
> spellchecker managed to make my writing readable.
>
> Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I
> would now be interested how different participatory processes work for
> individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality
> psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless;
> Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But
> what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey.
>
> What would be our next step in this topic offering.
>
> In openness,
> K?ri the group coach
>
>
>
> On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi K?ri,
>>
>> Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
>>
>> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
>> technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An
>> idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances
>> of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by
>> cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated
>> researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions
>> in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even
>> impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the
>> standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago,
>> we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have
>> to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host
>> this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded
>> rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we
>> then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
>> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also
>> the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic
>> ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>>
>> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
>> processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
>> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less
>> controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
>> broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
>> processes.
>>
>> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
>> analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
>> difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
>> procedures.
>>
>> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
>> hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
>> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
>> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
>> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
>> was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for
>> reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
>> make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
>> of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
>> principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
>> prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
>> the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
>> time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts
>> of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
>> freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
>> previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
>> Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
>> preconditions.
>>
>> In openness,
>> K?ri the group coach
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> OSList mailing list
>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>> To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>> Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>
>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>> Community.
>>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:03:39 +0000
> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
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> I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where
> people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in
> connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to organize the
> meetings and there outcomes.
>
> In openness,
> K?ri the group coach
>
>
> On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
>>
>> however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
>> about what OS can *do*:
>>
>> to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
>> really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
>> the same thing.
>>
>> So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
>> the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rosa Zubizarreta*
>>
>> *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com
>> <http://www.diapraxis.com/>*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
>>>
>>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
>>> way in terms of a mindset.
>>>
>>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
>>> name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
>>>
>>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>>>
>>> Chuni Li
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *To:* Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>; World wide Open Space
>>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
>>> grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>>>
>>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
>>> package that describes an event.
>>>
>>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these
>>> things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms
>>> of 'gathering' too.
>>>
>>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
>>> it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> *John Baxter*
>>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
>>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com
>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/>
>>> 0405 447 829
>>> ? | ?
>>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>
>>>
>>> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
>>> City Grill!*
>>> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
>>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic
>>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying
>>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>>> open space."
>>>
>>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
>>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at
>>> a time.
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>>
>>> meet?ing
>>> ?m?diNG/
>>> noun
>>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
>>> commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
>>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>>> * informal get-together*
>>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>>> * 2.*
>>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>>> Agile Manager.
>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>> Community.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OSList mailing list
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> harold at shinsato.com
>>> http://shinsato.com
>>> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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