[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 16
Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
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Fri Nov 21 03:21:19 PST 2014
Dear Anne,
intrigued myself with "life force".
Is it related to the "selforganisation force"?
Greetings from Berlin
mmp
On 20.11.2014 22:39, Anne Stadler via OSList wrote:
> Is OpenSpace a Meeting?
>
> Dear Daniel et al
>
> For me, open space is a condition of life.
>
> OST has many forms: a meeting or gathering is the most common collective
> form.
> However, it's also a way of life, a "technology" (tool) for living one's
> life.
> Do you find yourself (in your inner talk) applying the law or principles
> that way?
> Eg: "Do i really care about that? Maybe i'll pass that one up."
> Or in relationship?
> Eg: someone you were expecting at a meeting doesn't show up: "Oh
> ok...Whoever comes are the right people."
> For me, this form of OST keeps me in the flow of the life force.
> Hmmm maybe OST is a way of tracking the life force? In one's personal
> life as well as our collective life??
>
> Those are some thoughts that are coming to me. You're raising
> interesting questions, Daniel. Thanks!
>
> Anne stadler
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>> 1. Re: Open Space for my own team (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
>> 2. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (John Baxter via OSList)
>> 3. Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
>> 4. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
>> 5. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (via OSList)
>> 6. Re: Critical Testing (Daniel Mezick via OSList)
>> 7. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList)
>> 8. Re: Critical Testing (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
>> 9. Re: Is Open Space a meeting? (K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 23:45:17 -0500
>> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space for my own team
>> Message-ID: <546D71DD.4030104 at newtechusa.net
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>> Hi Agnieszka,
>>
>> I feel you have excellent instincts with respect to your discomfort with
>> the idea of Facilitating and participating as a member at the same time.
>> Like you, I, too am also uncomfortable... occupying the roles of
>> Facilitator and Participant at the same time.
>>
>> I coach Agile. If I am functioning as coach to the group, I always
>> refrain from Facilitating OST, because my current belief is that I
>> probably cannot be effective as the OST Facilitator in that spot.
>>
>> In any event, instead, I prefer to pay a friend to do the Facilitation,
>> and then play in the OST game as a Participant.
>>
>>
>> And so: I wonder if you might have a local friend, someone interested in
>> your OST work, who is not currently a member of your team. I wonder if
>> you could teach this local-friend person the basics of OST Facilitation
>> ahead of time. I wonder if you could teach this person how to do it, in,
>> say, 1 or 2 hours, with a little, private, mock "chairs-in-a-circle"
>> walk-through, with the posters, etc.
>>
>> I wonder if your friend might then be willing to actually do the
>> Facilitation of your team's OST event, in exchange for your excellent
>> before/during/after mentoring (and the very excellent learn-by-doing
>> opportunity.)
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/19/14 2:58 AM, Agnieszka Maja Wawrzyniak via OSList wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am to facilitate an Open Space for a team I am a part of and I
>>> really would like to participate, but as a facilitator, I know I
>>> shouldn't.
>>> We will probably not able to hire an external facilitator, so I'm
>>> tryng to work this out...
>>>
>>> Do you have similar experiences? Any ideas? Recommendations?
>>>
>>> Greets
>>> Agnieszka
>>>
>>>
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>> From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com
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>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey
>> examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>>
>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
>> package that describes an event.
>>
>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>> Space,
>> you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things
>> in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of
>> 'gathering' too.
>>
>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
>> wrote it,
>> I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> *John Baxter*
>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
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>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
>>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
>>> poetic
>>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
>>> saying
>>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>>> open space."
>>>
>>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
>>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
>>> one at
>>> a time.
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>>
>>> meet?ing
>>> ?m?diNG/
>>> noun
>>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
>>> *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
>>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>>> * informal get-together*
>>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>>> * 2.*
>>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>
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>>> Manager.
>>>
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>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
>> technology.
>> I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a
>> trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the
>> lived
>> experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation
>> among
>> our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to
>> collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable
>> science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the
>> task of building of such survey database along with the standardized
>> questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long
>> past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it?
>> Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this
>> endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded
>> rigor.
>> My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then
>> allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
>> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is
>> also
>> the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic
>> ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>>
>> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
>> processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
>> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is
>> less
>> controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
>> broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
>> processes.
>>
>> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
>> analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
>> difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
>> procedures.
>>
>> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
>> hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
>> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
>> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
>> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
>> was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
>> time for
>> reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
>> make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
>> of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
>> principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
>> prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
>> the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
>> time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other
>> parts
>> of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
>> freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
>> previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
>> Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
>> preconditions.
>>
>> In openness,
>> K?ri the group coach
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>> To: John Baxter <john at jsbaxter.com.au <mailto:john at jsbaxter.com.au>>,
>> Harold Shinsato
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>> I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
>> way in terms of a mindset.
>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and
>> the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>> Chuni Li
>> ? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com
>> <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology email
>> list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
>> grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a
>> whole package that describes an event.
>>
>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of
>> these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any
>> myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
>> wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>> Cheers
>>
>> John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide
>> Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?|
>> CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
>> City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1.
>> and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in
>> the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it
>> is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So
>> instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say
>> "we're going to the open space."
>>
>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in
>> the same place at the same time and talk about the same things,
>> *mostly* one at a time.
>>
>> ??? Harold
>>
>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>
>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>
>> meet?ing
>> ?m?diNG/
>> noun
>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>
>> ??? 1.
>> ??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
>> committee, for discussion or entertainment.
>> ??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
>> ??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
>> convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally,
>> caucus; More
>> ??? power lunch, power breakfast;
>> ??? informal get-together
>> ??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
>> ??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
>> ??? 2.
>> ??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
>> ??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
>> ??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> To: John Baxter <john at jsbaxter.com.au <mailto:john at jsbaxter.com.au>>,
>> Harold Shinsato
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>> I like your description of?Open Space being a "way"....
>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
>> way in terms of a mindset.
>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and
>> the name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)?
>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>> Chuni Li
>> ? From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com
>> <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology email
>> list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
>> grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a
>> whole package that describes an event.
>>
>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... ?you can do any of
>> these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any
>> myriad forms of 'gathering' too.
>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I
>> wrote it, I promise...? Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>> Cheers
>>
>> John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide
>> Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?|
>> CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_
>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
>> City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1.
>> and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in
>> the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it
>> is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So
>> instead of saying "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say
>> "we're going to the open space."
>>
>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in
>> the same place at the same time and talk about the same things,
>> *mostly* one at a time.
>>
>> ??? Harold
>>
>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>
>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>
>> meet?ing
>> ?m?diNG/
>> noun
>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>
>> ??? 1.
>> ??? an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
>> committee, for discussion or entertainment.
>> ??? "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"
>> ??? synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
>> convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally,
>> caucus; More
>> ??? power lunch, power breakfast;
>> ??? informal get-together
>> ??? "he stood up to address the meeting"
>> ??????? a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.
>> ??? 2.
>> ??? a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.
>> ??? "he intrigued her on their first meeting"
>> ??? synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More
>>
>>
>>
>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter.? Examine my new book:? The Culture Game :
>> Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.
>> Explore the Agile Boston Community.?
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>> From: Daniel Mezick via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is
>> <mailto:kari.gunnarsson at simnet.is>>, World wide Open Space
>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
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>> Hi K?ri,
>>
>> Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
>>> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
>>> technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort.
>>> An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the
>>> nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data
>>> collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given
>>> to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make
>>> their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably
>>> be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such
>>> survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time
>>> to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There
>>> is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a
>>> real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even
>>> try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision
>>> is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow
>>> events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to
>>> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is
>>> also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it
>>> is a topic ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>>>
>>> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of "participatory
>>> processes" and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
>>> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is
>>> less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be
>>> part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of
>>> participatory processes.
>>>
>>> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type
>>> of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look
>>> at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
>>> procedures.
>>>
>>> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short
>>> 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
>>> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
>>> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
>>> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally
>>> I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
>>> time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and
>>> topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch
>>> was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the
>>> introduction of principles ... "Whatever happens is the only thing
>>> that could have, be prepared to be surprised!"... democracy of the
>>> feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake
>>> for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention
>>> by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked
>>> out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology
>>> opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been
>>> submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little
>>> time and then open up some space, works each time given the
>>> preconditions.
>>>
>>> In openness,
>>> K?ri the group coach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>>
>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>
>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>
>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>
>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>
>> Examine my new book:The Culture Game
>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the
>> Agile Manager.
>>
>> Explore Agile Team Training
>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
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>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:59:07 -0500
>> From: Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: chunili2000 at yahoo.com <mailto:chunili2000 at yahoo.com>, World wide
>> Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
>>
>> however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
>> about what OS can *do*:
>>
>> to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
>> really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
>> the same thing.
>>
>> So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
>> the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rosa Zubizarreta*
>>
>> *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com
>> <http://www.diapraxis.com/>*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
>>>
>>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or
>>> a way
>>> in terms of a mindset.
>>>
>>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
>>> name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
>>>
>>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>>>
>>> Chuni Li
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>> *To:* Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com
>>> <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>>; World wide Open Space
>>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
>>> grey
>>> examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>>>
>>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
>>> package that describes an event.
>>>
>>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these
>>> things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad
>>> forms
>>> of 'gathering' too.
>>>
>>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
>>> it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> *John Baxter*
>>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*
>>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au>
>>> <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com>
>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/>
>>> 0405 447 829
>>> ? | ?
>>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>
>>>
>>> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about
>>> City
>>> Grill!*
>>> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/
>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>
>>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>
>>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions 1. and
>>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
>>> poetic
>>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
>>> saying
>>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>>> open space."
>>>
>>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet in the
>>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
>>> one at
>>> a time.
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>>
>>> meet?ing
>>> ?m?diNG/
>>> noun
>>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit*
>>> *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention,
>>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>>> * informal get-together*
>>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>>> * 2.*
>>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>>> Manager.
>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>> Community.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> --
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>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 20:59:56 +0000
>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> To: Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net <mailto:dan at newtechusa.net>>,
>> World wide Open Space
>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>>
>> Hi Daniel
>>
>> You are welcome.
>>
>> My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the
>> spellchecker managed to make my writing readable.
>>
>> Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I
>> would now be interested how different participatory processes work for
>> individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality
>> psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless;
>> Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But
>> what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey.
>>
>> What would be our next step in this topic offering.
>>
>> In openness,
>> K?ri the group coach
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi K?ri,
>>>
>>> Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting!
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>> There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved
>>> technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An
>>> idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances
>>> of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by
>>> cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated
>>> researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions
>>> in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult,
>>> even
>>> impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the
>>> standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago,
>>> we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do
>>> we have
>>> to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we
>>> can host
>>> this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded
>>> rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey
>>> that we
>>> then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then
>>> give to
>>> researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There
>>> is also
>>> the Pandora?s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a
>>> topic
>>> ripe for an open space, "be prepared to be surprised".
>>>
>>> The new late majority folks are going for the theme of ?participatory
>>> processes? and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new
>>> gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it
>>> is less
>>> controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a
>>> broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory
>>> processes.
>>>
>>> But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of
>>> analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the
>>> difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research
>>> procedures.
>>>
>>> A resent story on "time to think", two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3
>>> hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal
>>> operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and
>>> after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even
>>> disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I
>>> was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some
>>> time for
>>> reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that
>>> make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot
>>> of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of
>>> principles ? ?Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be
>>> prepared to be surprised!?? democracy of the feet / the law of mobility,
>>> the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ? It was short
>>> time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other
>>> parts
>>> of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the
>>> freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had
>>> previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures.
>>> Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the
>>> preconditions.
>>>
>>> In openness,
>>> K?ri the group coach
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> OSList mailing list
>>> To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:OSList at lists.openspacetech.org>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Daniel Mezick, President
>>>
>>> New Technology Solutions Inc.
>>>
>>> (203) 915 7248 (cell)
>>>
>>> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter
>>> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>.
>>>
>>> Examine my new book: The Culture Game
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile
>>> Manager.
>>>
>>> Explore Agile Team Training
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching.
>>> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/>
>>>
>>> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/>
>>> Community.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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>> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:03:39 +0000
>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
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>> I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where
>> people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in
>> connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to
>> organize the
>> meetings and there outcomes.
>>
>> In openness,
>> K?ri the group coach
>>
>>
>> On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS "is"! :-)
>>>
>>> however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience,
>>> about what OS can *do*:
>>>
>>> to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they
>>> really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about
>>> the same thing.
>>>
>>> So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* "meetings" to happen --
>>> the kind of "meeting", that people *want* to show up for!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rosa Zubizarreta*
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like your description of Open Space being a "way"....
>>>>
>>>> It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a
>>>> way in terms of a mindset.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, "the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the
>>>> name that can be named is not the universal name." (Lao Tzu)
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear....
>>>>
>>>> Chuni Li
>>>>
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>>>> *From:* John Baxter via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>>> *To:* Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com
>>>> <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>>; World wide Open Space
>>>> Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of
>>>> grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting.
>>>>
>>>> In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole
>>>> package that describes an event.
>>>>
>>>> You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open
>>>> Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of
>>>> these
>>>> things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad
>>>> forms
>>>> of 'gathering' too.
>>>>
>>>> My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote
>>>> it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>
>>>> I think we can count Open Space as a "meeting" by both definitions
>>>> 1. and
>>>> 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the
>>>> poetic
>>>> sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something
>>>> that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of
>>>> saying
>>>> "we're going to the open space meeting", we just say "we're going to the
>>>> open space."
>>>>
>>>> In general, my sense of a "meeting" is something where we all meet
>>>> in the
>>>> same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly*
>>>> one at
>>>> a time.
>>>>
>>>> Harold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>>
>>>> For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/:
>>>>
>>>> meet?ing
>>>> ?m?diNG/
>>>> noun
>>>> noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>> *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or
>>>> commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.*
>>>> * "the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting"*
>>>> * synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation,
>>>> convention,
>>>> summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More*
>>>> * power lunch, power breakfast;*
>>>> * informal get-together*
>>>> * "he stood up to address the meeting"*
>>>> * a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.*
>>>> * 2.*
>>>> * a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.*
>>>> * "he intrigued her on their first meeting"*
>>>> * synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is Open Space a meeting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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