Embracing Invitation (was Digest - 24 May 2009 to 25 May 2009 (#2009-133)
John Rapp
jfs.rapp at gmail.com
Tue May 26 21:41:59 PDT 2009
Also remember: physical presence - esp if coerced - is never the same
as genuine Being There/real Presence. J
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On May 26, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Brendan McKeague
<mckeague at iprimus.com.au> wrote:
> Bhav - so the perceived 'key technician' didn't show up...I wonder
> what would have happened?
>
> Would Boeing have ended up building a door with different hinges, in
> different colours, with left-handed handles?
>
> and would another even more marvellous 'key technician' emerge from
> the woodwork?
>
> and would the mob have found another way of including the 'key
> technician' after the OS meeting? (or even from his/her holiday
> location?)
>
> and maybe the sky would have fallen in....and the Boeing with it????
>
> Whatever happened was the only thing that did!
>
> When I try to hypothesise what 'might have happened' - it gets
> rather convoluted.
> We usually only see who the real 'key players' are/were after the
> event - and where their energy/responsibility emerges and grows into
> something new...
>
> And anyway, even if mandated to be there by the Boss, everyone can
> use the Law and 'go on hoiliday' whenever they like
>
> Cheers
> Brendan
>
> At 09:12 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote:
>> Dear Harrison and friends,
>>
>> My Boss raised an interesting question and I would love to hear
>> your experience on this issue.
>>
>> He cited the Boeing doors example and then challenged the idea of
>> INVITATION. He said in a business organisation, some key people
>> just have to be there, they can't have a choice about coming.
>>
>> So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage, there is a lot of
>> work done with the Sponsor group looking at questions like that,
>> however ultimately people must individually choose to be there or
>> not.
>>
>> So then he said well what if in the Boeing example, one of the key
>> technicians, essential for the whole process, decided not to turn
>> up because he had booked a holiday and just didn't want to miss it.
>>
>> This does raise an interesting question about whether people can
>> really be free to choose.
>>
>> PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me because having
>> facilitated a number of OSTs, I am convinced about how it works,
>> and the also the deeper aspects that emerge from it.
>>
>> Thanks Bhav...
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject:
>> Re: anti laws Ah yes, I never cease to marvel at the opportunities
>> we have to "live vicariously through others". :) Warm regards,
>> Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype:
>> AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
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>> a time". Download the interactive brochure here. -----Original
>> Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
>> On Behalf Of Raffi Aftandelian Sent: Monday, 25 May 2009 8:33 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: [OSLIST] anti laws
>> andrew and all, i've sometimes pondered the "Low of too feat":
>> Others take responsibility for what *I* love as an act of service
>> or If I'm neither learning nor contributing everyone else should
>> leave ... and by extension-- bumblebees are those who go and sting
>> others in as many groups as possible. and butterflies? yes, it does
>> jangle the senses a little bit...but perhaps something to bee
>> desired from thyme to thyme? wormly, wroffi * *
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>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:43:33
>> +0100 From: Derrick Mathews Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST ------
>> =_NextPart_001_0007_01C9DD47.2E097CC0 Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am
>> unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important
>> concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-
>> participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a
>> Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age
>> away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an
>> intervention and so you have influenced the process making what
>> happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then
>> you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and
>> outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
>> people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
>> "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>> likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>> dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens
>> is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is
>> because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>> "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there
>> is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an
>> individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some
>> way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do,
>> ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always
>> endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to
>> the confusion.
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------- And on another thread,
>> where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened?
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different
>> parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved
>> in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a
>> 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>> additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended
>> sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side
>> of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken
>> principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place
>> it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
>> website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
>> tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266
>> 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-
>> Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook
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>> _____ From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering /
>> wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance.
>> "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What
>> didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to.
>> "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What
>> are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm
>> regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty
>> Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://
>> www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure
>> not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
>> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time".
>> Download the interactive brochure here . * *
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>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the
>> principles.
>>
>> First of all the process is based on = "SELF"=20 (the most
>> important concept here)-organisation which involved = participation
>> or=20 non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you
>> adopt a = Doris=20 Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will
>> be, will be, the future's = not ours=20 to see, que serra, serra,
>> am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) = your=20 choice to
>> let things happen is an intervention and so you have = influenced
>> the=20 process making what happens the only thing that could=20 have.
>>
>> If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20 influence of non-
>> influence on the process and outcome so you have = been=20 involved
>> and have been part of the right = people.
>>
>> What ever happens is the only thing = as if you=20 are "involved"
>> your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if
>> you=20 are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in
>> a different = way and=20 as I stated above what then happens is the
>> only thing that could=20 have.
>>
>> Likewise when it starts is because = someone made=20 a choice to
>> start it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has = impact
>> and=20 similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it
>> is over via = group=20 consensus or an individual's choice that for
>> them it is=20 over.
>>
>> Everything is in some way linked and=20 interdependent and what we
>> choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect = all=20 around us.
>>
>> We just need to always endeavour to = impact in a=20 positive way.
>>
>> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20 confusion.
>>
>> =20
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = ----------------------------------------------
>> And on another thread, where are the = most=20 unusual places that
>> folks know OST has=20 happened?
>>
>> I recently had the pleasure of = opening space=20 for a great group
>> of young people (that's anyone younger than me) = from =20 about 9
>> different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry = to
>> be=20 involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which
>> also = involved a 1=20 day OS.
>>
>> One participant selected the swimming = pool as=20 an additional
>> breakout space and it was one of the best attended = sessions
>> with=20 the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the
>> pool by = anyone out=20 of the water.
>>
>> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;
>> Where ever it happens is the right = place/only=20 place it could
>> have happened
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not check out our website to view our=20 services . www.DerrickMathewsCon
>> = sulting.co.uk=20
>>
>> "Let the=20 choices you make today, be the choices you can live
>> with=20 tomorrow."
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>> Derrick Mathews = Associates=20 Consulting
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>> From: OSLIST=20 [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of Andrew=20 Rixon
>> Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>> To:=20 OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of=20 OST
>> Dear=20 All,
>>
>> Recently I’ve been = pondering /=20 wondering about what might be
>> the Anti-laws of = OST.
>>
>> For=20 instance.
>>
>> “What isn’t = happening are all the=20 things that should be”
>>
>> Or
>>
>> “What didn’t = happen are all the=20 things that should have”
>>
>> As opposed=20 to…
>>
>> “Whatever happens is = the only thing=20 that could have or did”
>>
>> What are your thoughts on = other=20 “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>>
>> Warm=20 regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon=20 PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: = AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile:=20 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.comURL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>>
>> Interested in Story=20 and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
>> national conference October 8 and = 9th=20 titled: "Celebrating
>> Story: Approaching change one story at a time". = Download=20 the
>> interactive brochure here.
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:58:49
>> -0400 From: Harrison Owen Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a
>> multi-part message in MIME format. ------
>> =_NextPart_000_000F_01C9DD49.52B2A400 Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just
>> to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one =
>> law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are
>> just my = (and others') observations of what seemed to be happening
>> in any case. In a = word they are descriptive as opposed to
>> descriptive - You could say it is all = a joke. Rather like
>> "technology" in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however
>> turned out to be outrageously funny - because somehow or another
>> truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows =
>> that what happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately
>> it does - = and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
>> stuff - like most of what = we think we know about meetings, the
>> management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! =20
>> Harrison =20 Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland
>> 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training = www.openspaceworld.com
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>> =20 -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of = Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>> =20 Hi Andrew =20 I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard
>> to the principles. =20 First of all the process is based on
>> "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which
>> involved participation or non-participation = which involves human
>> choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra,
>> whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que =
>> serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your
>> choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have
>> influenced the process making what happens the only thing that
>> could have. =20 If you do not turn up then you have had an
>> influence of non-influence = on the process and outcome so you have
>> been involved and have been part of = the right people. =20 What
>> ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are =
>> "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
>> way and as I = stated above what then happens is the only thing
>> that could have. =20 Likewise when it starts is because someone
>> made a choice to start it and = you are "involved" or "not" which
>> still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice
>> made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice
>> that for them it is over. =20 Everything is in some way linked and
>> interdependent and what we choose = to do or not do, ripples out to
>> affect all around us. =20 We just need to always endeavour to
>> impact in a positive way. =20 Anyhoo, hope this adds to the
>> confusion. =20 =20
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = --- ------------------------------------------- And on another
>> thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know = OST has
>> happened? =20 I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a
>> great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me) from
>> about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In
>> Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash to
>> Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =20 =20 One participant
>> selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout = space and it
>> was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the
>> conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the
>> = water. =20 Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it
>> happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened =20
>> =20 Regards =20 Derrick =20 =20 =20 Why not check out our website
>> to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk =20 =20
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with =
>> tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves =20 Derrick Mathews Associates
>> Consulting=20 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090=20 E-
>> Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk=20 www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook =20
>> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space
>> Technology Facilitation =20 Helping Organisations to Chart their
>> Course =20 =20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, =20 Recently I've been
>> pondering / wondering about what might be the = Anti-laws of OST.
>> =20 For instance. =20 "What isn't happening are all the things that
>> should be" =20 Or =20 "What didn't happen are all the things that
>> should have" =20 As opposed to. =20 "Whatever happens is the only
>> thing that could have or did" =20 What are your thoughts on other
>> "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) =20 Warm regards, Andrew =20 --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype:
>> AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162=20 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and
>> Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8
>> and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching = change one story
>> at a time". Download the interactive brochure here . =20 =20 * * =
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>> Just to render the whole thing = non-sensical, the 4 principles and
>> one law are neither laws nor principles actually. = To be honest
>> they are just my (and others’) observations of what seemed = to be
>> happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed
>> to = descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. Rather like =
>> “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke,
>> however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or a
>> nother truth broke = through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody
>> knows that what happens in Open Space = simply can’t happen. Unfo
>> rtunately it does – and that makes a joke = out of a whole mess of
>> other stuff – like most of what we think we know = about meetings
>> , the management of meetings, and management itself. Double = trou
>> ble!!
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> Harrison = Owen
>> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>> Phone = 301-365-2093
>> Skype = hhowen
>> Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>> Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>> Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
>> OSLIST: = To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: = www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml
>>
>> -----Original = Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Derrick Mathews
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: = OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the =
>> principles.
>>
>> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important
>> concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-
>> participation = which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a
>> Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my
>> age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let = things happen
>> is an intervention and so you have influenced the process making =
>> what happens the only thing that could have.
>>
>> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-
>> influence on = the process and outcome so you have been involved
>> and have been part of the = right people.
>>
>> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
>> "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a =
>> different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only
>> thing that could = have.
>>
>> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start
>> it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and =
>> similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over
>> via group = consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is
>> = over.
>>
>> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we
>> choose to do or not = do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>>
>> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.
>>
>> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>>
>> = ;
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = ---------------------------------------------- =
>> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks
>> know = OST has happened?
>>
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
>> young = people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9
>> different parts of = Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>> be involved in an Up-cycling = project of Trash to Treasure which
>> also involved a 1 day OS. =
>>
>> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
>> breakout space = and it was one of the best attended sessions with
>> the details of the = conversation recorded at the side of the pool
>> by anyone out of the = water.
>>
>> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have =
>> happened
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derrick
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not check out our website to view our = services . www.DerrickMathewsCon
>> = sulting.co.uk
>>
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with =
>> tomorrow."
>> Soon to be = 2Wolves
>>
>> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 = Bridge Street
>> Kilkeel
>> Co. = Down
>> BT34 = 4AD
>> Tel: = + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 = 090
>> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: = derrick.mathews
>> You can also find me on = Facebook
>>
>> Facilitation = | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
>> &nbs= p; Open Space Technology Facilitation
>>
>> Helping Organisations to = Chart their Course
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew Rixon
>> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>> To: = OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what might be the
>> Anti-laws of OST.
>>
>> For = instance.
>>
>> “What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>>
>> Or
>>
>> “What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>>
>> As opposed = to…
>>
>> “Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>>
>> What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>>
>> Warm = regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>>
>> * *
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>> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C9DD49.52B2A400--
>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:23:50
>> +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a
>> multi-part message in MIME format. ------
>> =_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60 Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Harrison.
>> I must confess that my interest really isn't in whether the 4
>> principles are principles or laws. Having recently read Phil
>> Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4
>> "principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's interesting
>> writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry around
>> with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about
>> are: 1.Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and
>> all things about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the most of
>> now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4.Past
>> Positive (Gratitude) 5.Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time
>> perspective would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ?
>> Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly
>> Past Positive. You can even do your own assessment of what time
>> zone you're living in here: http://www.thetimeparadox.com/ Know
>> any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our
>> national conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole
>> thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws
>> nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and
>> others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case.
>> In a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You
>> could say it is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase
>> Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>> outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke
>> through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
>> happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does -
>> and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like
>> most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of
>> meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison Harrison
>> Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093
>> Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space
>> Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com
>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>> -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi
>> Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
>> principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most
>> important concept here)-organisation which involved participation
>> or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt
>> a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age
>> away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an
>> intervention and so you have influenced the process making what
>> happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then
>> you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and
>> outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
>> people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
>> "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>> likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>> dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens
>> is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is
>> because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>> "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there
>> is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an
>> individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some
>> way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do,
>> ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always
>> endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to
>> the confusion.
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------- And on another thread,
>> where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened?
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different
>> parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved
>> in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a
>> 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>> additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended
>> sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side
>> of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken
>> principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place
>> it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
>> website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
>> tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266
>> 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-
>> Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook
>> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training Open Space
>> Technology Facilitation Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>> _____ From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering /
>> wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance.
>> "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What
>> didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to.
>> "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What
>> are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm
>> regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty
>> Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://
>> www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure
>> not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
>> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time".
>> Download the interactive brochure here . * *
>> ========================================================== OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change
>> your options, view the archives of oslist at listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
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>> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60 Content-Type: text/
>> html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> Thanks Harrison.
>>
>> I must confess that my interest = really isn’t in whether the 4 pr
>> inciples are principles or = laws.
>>
>> Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t
>> but help to see how all 4 = “principles” seem to relate to time.
>>
>> One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often wit
>> hout knowing it) carry around with = us a time perspective. The ti
>> me perspectives he talks about are:
>> Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all
>> things about = the future)
>> Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
>> Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen = anyway)
>> Past Positive (Gratitude)
>> Past Negative (Woe to me)
>>
>> Which time perspective would you = choose to help you be most “hea
>> lthy” ?
>>
>> Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the west) need to be High
>> ly Past = Positive.
>>
>> You can even do your own assessment = of what time zone you’re liv
>> ing in here:
>>
>> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>>
>> Know any jokes about time? = J
>>
>> Warm = regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>> =
>> From: = OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of Harrison = Owen
>> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>>
>> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and
>> one law are neither laws nor = principles actually. To be honest
>> they are just my (and others’) observations = of what seemed to be
>> happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive = as oppose
>> d to descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. Rather = like
>> “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, =
>> however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or a
>> nother = truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody
>> knows that what = happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfo
>> rtunately it does – and = that makes a joke out of a whole mess of
>> other stuff – like most of = what we think we know about meetings
>> , the management of meetings, and management = itself. Double trou
>> ble!!
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> Harrison = Owen
>> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>>
>> Phone = 301-365-2093
>> Skype = hhowen
>> Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>> Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>> Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, = change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml
>>
>> -----Original = Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Derrick = Mathews
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>>
>> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the = most important
>> concept here)-organisation which involved participation or = non-
>> participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a
>> Doris Day = approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, = que serra, serra, am I giving my
>> age away knowing this song lol) your choice = to let things happen
>> is an intervention and so you have influenced the process = making
>> what happens the only thing that could = have.
>>
>> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence = of non-
>> influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and
>> = have been part of the right people.
>>
>> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are
>> "involved" via no-involvement you affect the = dynamic in a
>> different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only
>> thing = that could have.
>>
>> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to = start
>> it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has = impact and
>> similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over
>> = via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is
>> = over.
>>
>> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what = we
>> choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around = us.
>>
>> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.
>>
>> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the = confusion.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = ---------------------------------------------- =
>> And on another thread, where are the most unusual = places that
>> folks know OST has happened?
>>
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great = group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 =
>> different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>> be involved in an = Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which
>> also involved a 1 day OS. =
>>
>> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
>> breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
>> the = details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool
>> by anyone out of the = water.
>>
>> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle = is;
>> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could = have
>> happened
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derrick
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsCon
>> = sulting.co.uk
>>
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with =
>> tomorrow."
>> Soon to be = 2Wolves
>> = =
>>
>> Derrick = Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 Bridge = Street
>>
>> Kilkeel
>> Co. = Down
>> BT34 = 4AD
>> Tel: = + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
>> E-Mail: = derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews
>> You can = also find me on Facebook
>>
>> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
>> &nbs= p; Open Space Technology = Facilitation
>>
>> Helping Organisations to Chart their = Course
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew = Rixon
>> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>> Dear = All,
>>
>> Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about what might be the
>> Anti-laws of = OST.
>>
>> For = instance.
>>
>> “What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>>
>> Or<= /p>
>>
>> “What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>>
>> As opposed = to…
>>
>> “Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>>
>> What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>>
>> Warm = regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --<= /p>
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>>
>> * *
>> =3D=
>> 3D=
>> 3D=
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>> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60--
>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:19
>> -0500 From: Michael Maranda Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>> --0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8 Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 25,
>> 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Rixon wrote: > > Know any jokes about time?
>> J > > > I used to. :) * *
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>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew = Rixon <an= drew at babelfishgroup.com
>> > wrote:
>>
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>> --0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8-- ------------------------------
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:26:25 +0800 From: Brendan McKeague
>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST --
>> =====================_311799156==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding:
>> quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to
>> remember that... in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-)
>> At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks Harrison. > >I
>> must confess that my interest really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4
>> principles are principles or laws. > >Having recently read Phil
>> Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t but help to see how all
>> 4=20 >=93principles=94 seem to relate to time. > >One of
>> Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often
>> without knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a time perspective.
>> The time perspectives he talks about are: > > * Future (The well
>> known westerner approach=20 > to planning and all things about the
>> future) > * Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) > * Present
>> Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway) > * Past Positive
>> (Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to me) > >Which time perspective
>> would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ? >
>> >Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west)=20 >need to be
>> Highly Past Positive. > >You can even do your own assessment of
>> what time zone you=92re living in= here: > > http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>> > >Know any jokes about time? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >--
>> >Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype:
>> AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> >URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ > >Interested in Story and
>> Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our national conference October
>> 8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching=20 >change
>> one story at a time". Download the=20 >interactive brochure=20
>> >here. > > >---------- >From: OSLIST=20 >[ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen >Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
>> >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU >Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti
>> Laws of OST > >Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the=20
>> >4 principles and one law are neither laws nor=20 >principles
>> actually. To be honest they are just=20 >my (and others=92)
>> observations of what seemed to=20 >be happening in any case. In a
>> word they are=20 >descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20
>> >could say it is all a joke. Rather like=20 >=93technology=94 in
>> the phrase Open Space=20 >Technology. The joke, however turned out
>> to be=20 >outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another=20
>> >truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!=20 >Everybody
>> knows that what happens in Open Space=20 >simply can=92t happen.
>> Unfortunately it does =96 and=20 >that makes a joke out of a whole
>> mess of other=20 >stuff =96 like most of what we think we know
>> about=20 >meetings, the management of meetings, and management
>> itself. Double= trouble!! > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808
>> River Falls Drive > >Potomac, Maryland 20854 > >Phone 301-365-2093
>> > >Skype hhowen > >Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com >
>> >Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org > >Personal website www.ho-image.com
>> > >OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your=20 >options,
>> view the archives Visit:=20 > www.listserv.boisestat= e.edu/
>> archives/oslist.html > >-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST=20
>> >[ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick
>> Mathews >Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST > >Hi Andrew > >I am unsure if you
>> can have anti laws with regard to the principles. > >First of all
>> the process is based on "SELF" (the=20 >most important concept
>> here)-organisation which=20 >involved participation or non-
>> participation=20 >which involves human choice. Even if you adopt=20
>> >a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will be, will
>> be, the future's not ours to see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving
>> my age away=20 >knowing this song lol) your choice to let things=20
>> >happen is an intervention and so you have=20 >influenced the
>> process making what happens the only thing that could have. > >If
>> you do not turn up then you have had an=20 >influence of non-
>> influence on the process and=20 >outcome so you have been involved
>> and have been part of the right people. > >What ever happens is the
>> only thing as if you=20 >are "involved" your involvement changes
>> the=20 >dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are=20 >"involved" via
>> no-involvement you affect the=20 >dynamic in a different way and as
>> I stated above=20 >what then happens is the only thing that could
>> have. > >Likewise when it starts is because someone made=20 >a
>> choice to start it and you are "involved" or=20 >"not" which still
>> has impact and similarly it's=20 >over because there is a choice
>> made that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an individual's
>> choice that for them it is= over. > >Everything is in some way
>> linked and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do or not=20
>> >do, ripples out to affect all around us. > >We just need to always
>> endeavour to impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this adds to
>> the confusion. > >=20
>> >--
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = -------------------------------------------- >And on another
>> thread, where are the most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST
>> has happened? > >I recently had the pleasure of opening space
>> for=20 >a great group of young people (that's anyone=20 >younger
>> than me) from about 9 different parts=20 >of Europe who had come
>> together In Londonderry=20 >to be involved in an Up-cycling project
>> of Trash=20 >to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One
>> participant selected the swimming pool as an=20 >additional
>> breakout space and it was one of the=20 >best attended sessions
>> with the details of the=20 >conversation recorded at the side of
>> the pool by anyone out of the water. > >Maybe the fifth unspoken
>> principle is; >Where ever it happens is the right place/only place
>> it could have happened > > >Regards > >Derrick > > > >Why not check
>> out our website to view our=20 >services=20 >.=20 > www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co
>> = .uk > >"Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can
>> live with= tomorrow." >Soon to be 2Wolves >[] > >Derrick Mathews
>> Associates Consulting > >22 Bridge Street > >Kilkeel >Co. Down
>> >BT34 4AD >Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 >Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>> >Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 >E-Mail:=20
>> >derrick at derrickmathewsconsul= ting.co.uk=20 > > www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> >Skype: derrick.mathews >You can also find me on Facebook >
>> >Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training > Open Space
>> Technology Facilitation > >Helping Organisations to Chart their
>> Course > > > > > >From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Andrew= Rixon >Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> >Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear All, > >Recently I=92ve been
>> pondering / wondering about=20 >what might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>> > >For instance. > >=93What isn=92t happening are all the things
>> that should be=94 > >Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all the
>> things that should have=94 > >As opposed to=85 > >=93Whatever
>> happens is the only thing that could have or did=94 > >What are
>> your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J > >Warm
>> regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish
>> Group Pty Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> >Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com >URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> > >Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our
>> national conference October 8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating
>> Story: Approaching=20 >change one story at a time". Download the=20
>> >interactive brochure=20 >here. > > >* *=20
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>> --=====================_311799156==.ALT Content-Type: text/html;
>> charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
>> in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
>> :-)
>> At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>> Thanks Harrison.
>>
>> I must confess that my interest really isn=92t in whether the 4
>> principles are principles or laws.
>>
>> Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time paradox I couldn=92t
>> but help to see how all 4 =93principles=94 seem to relate to time.
>>
>> One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around how we (often
>> without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The
>> time perspectives he talks about are:
>> Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all
>> things about the future)=20
>> Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)=20
>> Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway)=20
>> Past Positive (Gratitude)=20
>> Past Negative (Woe to me)=20
>>
>> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
>> =93healthy=94 ?
>>
>> Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be
>> Highly Past Positive.
>>
>> You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re
>> living in here:
>>
>> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>>
>> Know any jokes about time? J
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Harrison Owen
>> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>>
>> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and
>> one law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they
>> are just my (and others=92) observations of what seemed to be
>> happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to
>> descriptive =96 You could say it is all a joke. Rather like
>> =93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke,
>> however turned out to be outrageously funny =96 because somehow or
>> another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody
>> knows that what happens in Open Space simply can=92t happen.
>> Unfortunately it does =96 and that makes a joke out of a whole mess
>> of other stuff =96 like most of what we think we know about
>> meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double
>> trouble!!
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
>> Phone 301-365-2093
>> Skype hhowen
>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
>>
>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>> OSLI= ST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Derrick Mathews
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>>
>> First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most important
>> concept here)-organisation which involved participation or non-
>> participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a
>> Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age
>> away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an
>> intervention and so you have influenced the process making what
>> happens the only thing that could have.
>>
>> If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of non-
>> influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and
>> have been part of the right people.
>>
>> What ever happen= s is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
>> "involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different
>> way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing that
>> could have.
>>
>> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice to start
>> it and you are "involved" or "not" which still has impact and
>> similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over
>> via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is
>> over.
>>
>> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we
>> choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>>
>> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.
>>
>> Anyhoo, hope thi= s adds to the confusion.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = -------------------------------------------
>> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks
>> know OST has happened?
>>
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9
>> different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>> be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which
>> also involved a 1 day OS.
>>
>> One participant selected the swimming pool as an additional
>> breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
>> the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by
>> anyone out of the water.
>>
>> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have
>> happened
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derrick
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not check out our website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>>
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
>> tomorrow."
>> Soon to= be 2Wolves = ; <= /i>
>> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 Bridge Street
>> Kilkeel
>> Co. Down
>> BT34 4AD
>> Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
>> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk
>> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews
>> You can also find me on Facebook
>>
>> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
>> Open Space Technology Facilitation
>>
>> Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew Rixon
>> Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of OST
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
>> Anti-laws of OST.
>>
>> For instance.
>>
>> =93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94
>>
>> Or
>>
>> =93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94
>>
>> As opposed to=85
>>
>> =93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94
>>
>> What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
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>> conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
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>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:33
>> +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a
>> multi-part message in MIME format. ------
>> =_NextPart_000_0092_01C9DDF8.533C04C0 Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love that
>> one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are all the things
>> that should be" is pretty indicative of someone living in the
>> future. Of course it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm regards,
>> Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype:
>> AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and
>> Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national conference October 8
>> and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at
>> a time". Download the interactive brochure here . _____ From:
>> OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Brendan McKeague Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:26 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST for those living in the
>> future it is wise to remember that... in two days time, tomorrow
>> will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>> Thanks Harrison. I must confess that my interest really isn't in
>> whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. Having recently
>> read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how
>> all 4 "principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's
>> interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing it)
>> carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he
>> talks about are: 1.Future (The well known westerner approach to
>> planning and all things about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic
>> (Make the most of now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen
>> anyway) 4.Past Positive (Gratitude) 5.Past Negative (Woe to me)
>> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
>> "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west) need
>> to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do your own assessment of
>> what time zone you're living in here: http://
>> www.thetimeparadox.com/ Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm
>> regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty
>> Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://
>> www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure
>> not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
>> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time".
>> Download the interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to render the whole
>> thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws
>> nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and
>> others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case.
>> In a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You
>> could say it is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase
>> Open Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>> outrageously funny - because somehow or another truth broke
>> through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
>> happens in Open Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does -
>> and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff - like
>> most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of
>> meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison Harrison
>> Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093
>> Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space
>> Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com
>> OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>> -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi
>> Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
>> principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the most
>> important concept here)-organisation which involved participation
>> or non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt
>> a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age
>> away knowing this song lol) your choice to let things happen is an
>> intervention and so you have influenced the process making what
>> happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up then
>> you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and
>> outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right
>> people. What ever happens is the only thing as if you are
>> "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>> likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>> dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then happens
>> is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is
>> because someone made a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>> "not" which still has impact and similarly it's over because there
>> is a choice made that it is over via group consensus or an
>> individual's choice that for them it is over. Everything is in some
>> way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do,
>> ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always
>> endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to
>> the confusion.
>> ---
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------- And on another thread,
>> where are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened?
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different
>> parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to be involved
>> in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a
>> 1 day OS. One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>> additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended
>> sessions with the details of the conversation recorded at the side
>> of the pool by anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth unspoken
>> principle is; Where ever it happens is the right place/only place
>> it could have happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
>> website to view our services . www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with
>> tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves [] Derrick Mathews Associates
>> Consulting 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail: derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk
>> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype: derrick.mathews You can
>> also find me on Facebook Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching |
>> Training Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping Organisations
>> to Chart their Course From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> ] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10 To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently I've been pondering /
>> wondering about what might be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance.
>> "What isn't happening are all the things that should be" Or "What
>> didn't happen are all the things that should have" As opposed to.
>> "Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did" What
>> are your thoughts on other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm
>> regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty
>> Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://
>> www.babelfishgroup.com/ Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure
>> not to miss our national conference October 8 and 9th titled:
>> "Celebrating Story: Approaching change one story at a time".
>> Download the interactive brochure here . * *
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>> ------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C9DDF8.533C04C0 Content-Type: text/
>> html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> Yep! Love that = one.
>>
>> And I think the “Whatever = didn’t happen are all the things
>> that should be” is pretty indicative of = someone living in the fu
>> ture.
>>
>> Of course it couldn’t = possibly be me. J
>> Warm regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>> =
>> From: = OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of Brendan = McKeague
>> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 11:26 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>>
>> for those living in the future it is wise to remember = that...
>> in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
>> :-)
>> At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>> Thanks = Harrison.
>>
>> I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4 = pr
>> inciples are principles or laws.
>>
>> Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t =
>> but help to see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to = time.
>>
>> One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often = w
>> ithout knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The ti
>> me = perspectives he talks about are:
>> Future (The = well known westerner approach to planning and all
>> things about the = future)
>> Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
>> Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
>> Past = Positive (Gratitude)
>> Past = Negative (Woe to me)
>>
>> Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healt
>> hy” ?
>>
>> Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly
>> = Past Positive.
>>
>> You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re = liv
>> ing in here:
>>
>> http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>>
>> Know any jokes about time? J
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Harrison Owen
>> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>>
>> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and
>> one law are = neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest
>> they are just my (and = others’) observations of what seemed to be
>> happening in any case. In a word they = are descriptive as oppose
>> d to descriptive – You could say it is all a = joke. Rather like
>> “technology” in the phrase Open Space = Technology. The joke,
>> however turned out to be outrageously funny – because = somehow or
>> another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody
>> knows = that what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfo
>> rtunately it = does – and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of
>> other stuff – = like most of what we think we know about meetings
>> , the management of = meetings, and management itself. Double trou
>> ble!!
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> Harrison Owen
>>
>> 7808 River Falls = Drive
>>
>> Potomac, Maryland = 20854
>>
>>
>> Phone 301-365-2093
>>
>> Skype hhowen
>>
>> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com =
>>
>> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org =
>>
>> Personal website www.ho-image.com
>>
>> OSLIST: = To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the
>> archives Visit: www.listserv= .boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Derrick Mathews
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to = the
>> principles.
>>
>> First of all the process is based on "SELF" = (the most important
>> concept here)-organisation which involved participation = or non-
>> participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a =
>> Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>> the future's = not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my
>> age away knowing this song = lol) your choice to let things happen
>> is an intervention and so you have = influenced the process making
>> what happens the only thing that could have.
>>
>> If you do not turn up then you have had an = influence of non-
>> influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and
>> = have been part of the right people.
>>
>> What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>> involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are
>> "involved" via no-involvement you affect the = dynamic in a
>> different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only
>> thing = that could have.
>>
>> Likewise when it starts is because someone made a = choice to start
>> it and you are "involved" or "not" which still = has impact and
>> similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is =
>> over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it
>> is = over.
>>
>> Everything is in some way linked and interdependent = and what we
>> choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>>
>> We just need to always endeavour to impact in a = positive way.
>>
>> Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ---
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> = ----------------------------------------------
>> And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks
>> know = OST has happened?
>>
>> I recently had the pleasure of opening space for a = great group of
>> young people (that's anyone younger than me) from about 9
>> different parts of Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>> be = involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which
>> also involved a 1 day OS.
>>
>> One participant selected the swimming pool as an = additional
>> breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions with
>> the = details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool
>> by anyone out of the = water.
>>
>> Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>> Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have =
>> happened
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Derrick
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not check out our website to = view our services . www.DerrickMathewsCon
>> = sulting.co.uk
>>
>> "Let the choices you make today, be the choices you can live with =
>> tomorrow."
>> Soon to be 2Wolves
>> Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>> 22 = Bridge Street
>> Kilkeel
>> Co. Down
>> BT34 4AD
>> Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>> Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>> Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
>> E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>> www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>> Skype: derrick.mathews
>> You can also find me on Facebook
>>
>> Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
>> Open Space Technology = Facilitation
>>
>> Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: = OSLIST [ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>> Of Andrew Rixon
>> Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the A
>> nti-laws of OST.
>>
>> For instance.
>>
>> “What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”
>>
>> Or
>>
>> “What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”
>>
>> As opposed to…
>>
>> “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”
>>
>> What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? = J
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Andrew
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Rixon PhD
>> Director
>> Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>> Skype: AndrewJRixon
>> Mobile: 0400 352 809
>> Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>> Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>> URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>> Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national
>> = conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>> Approaching change = one story at a time". Download the interactive
>> brochure here.
>>
>>
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