Embracing Invitation (was Digest - 24 May 2009 to 25 May 2009 (#2009-133)
Brendan McKeague
mckeague at iprimus.com.au
Tue May 26 19:08:05 PDT 2009
Bhav - so the perceived 'key technician' didn't
show up...I wonder what would have happened?
Would Boeing have ended up building a door with
different hinges, in different colours, with left-handed handles?
and would another even more marvellous 'key
technician' emerge from the woodwork?
and would the mob have found another way of
including the 'key technician' after the OS
meeting? (or even from his/her holiday location?)
and maybe the sky would have fallen in....and the Boeing with it????
Whatever happened was the only thing that did!
When I try to hypothesise what 'might have
happened' - it gets rather convoluted.
We usually only see who the real 'key players'
are/were after the event - and where their
energy/responsibility emerges and grows into something new...
And anyway, even if mandated to be there by the
Boss, everyone can use the Law and 'go on hoiliday' whenever they like
Cheers
Brendan
At 09:12 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote:
>Dear Harrison and friends,
>
>My Boss raised an interesting question and I
>would love to hear your experience on this issue.
>
>He cited the Boeing doors example and then
>challenged the idea of INVITATION. He said in a
>business organisation, some key people just have
>to be there, they can't have a choice about coming.
>
>So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage,
>there is a lot of work done with the Sponsor
>group looking at questions like that, however
>ultimately people must individually choose to be there or not.
>
>So then he said well what if in the Boeing
>example, one of the key technicians, essential
>for the whole process, decided not to turn up
>because he had booked a holiday and just didn't want to miss it.
>
>This does raise an interesting question about
>whether people can really be free to choose.
>
>PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me
>because having facilitated a number of OSTs, I
>am convinced about how it works, and the also
>the deeper aspects that emerge from it.
>
>Thanks Bhav...
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From:
>Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: anti laws Ah yes, I
>never cease to marvel at the opportunities we
>have to "live vicariously through others". :)
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>2009 8:33 AM To:
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>Subject: [OSLIST] anti laws andrew and all, i've
>sometimes pondered the "Low of too feat": Others
>take responsibility for what *I* love as an act
>of service or If I'm neither learning nor
>contributing everyone else should leave ... and
>by extension-- bumblebees are those who go and
>sting others in as many groups as possible. and
>butterflies? yes, it does jangle the senses a
>little bit...but perhaps something to bee
>desired from thyme to thyme? wormly, wroffi * *
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>2009 14:43:33 +0100 From: Derrick Mathews
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
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>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am
>unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to
>the principles. First of all the process is
>based on "SELF" (the most important concept
>here)-organisation which involved participation
>or non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach
>(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra,
>am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
>your choice to let things happen is an
>intervention and so you have influenced the
>process making what happens the only thing that
>could have. If you do not turn up then you have
>had an influence of non-influence on the process
>and outcome so you have been involved and have
>been part of the right people. What ever happens
>is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>likewise if you are "involved" via
>no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
>different way and as I stated above what then
>happens is the only thing that could have.
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's
>over because there is a choice made that it is
>over via group consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is over. Everything is
>in some way linked and interdependent and what
>we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect
>all around us. We just need to always endeavour
>to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this
>adds to the confusion.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------- And
>on another thread, where are the most unusual
>places that folks know OST has happened? I
>recently had the pleasure of opening space for a
>great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts of
>Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to
>Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One
>participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by
>anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth
>unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
>the right place/only place it could have
>happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
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>On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009
>02:10 To:
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>Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently
>I've been pondering / wondering about what might
>be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What
>isn't happening are all the things that should
>be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things
>that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever
>happens is the only thing that could have or
>did" What are your thoughts on other
>"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards,
>Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish
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>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on = "SELF"=20
>(the most important concept here)-organisation
>which involved = participation or=20
>non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris=20 Day
>approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be,
>will be, the future's = not ours=20 to see, que
>serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
>this song lol) = your=20 choice to let things
>happen is an intervention and so you have =
>influenced the=20 process making what happens
>the only thing that could=20 have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20
>influence of non-influence on the process and
>outcome so you have = been=20 involved and have
>been part of the right = people.
>
>What ever happens is the only thing = as if
>you=20 are "involved" your involvement changes
>the dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you=20
>are "involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>dynamic in a different = way and=20 as I stated
>above what then happens is the only thing that could=20 have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because = someone
>made=20 a choice to start it and you are
>"involved" or "not" which still has = impact
>and=20 similarly it's over because there is a
>choice made that it is over via = group=20
>consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is=20 over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and=20
>interdependent and what we choose to do or not
>do, ripples out to affect = all=20 around us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to = impact in a=20 positive way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20 confusion.
>
> =20
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> ----------------------------------------------
>And on another thread, where are the = most=20
>unusual places that folks know OST has=20 happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of = opening
>space=20 for a great group of young people
>(that's anyone younger than me) = from =20 about
>9 different parts of Europe who had come
>together In Londonderry = to be=20 involved in
>an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure which
>also = involved a 1=20 day OS.
>
>One participant selected the swimming = pool
>as=20 an additional breakout space and it was
>one of the best attended = sessions with=20 the
>details of the conversation recorded at the side
>of the pool by = anyone out=20 of the water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;
>Where ever it happens is the right =
>place/only=20 place it could have happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
>
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>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew=20 Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>To:=20 <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of=20 OST
>Dear=20 All,
>
>Recently I’ve been = pondering /=20 wondering
>about what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.
>
>For=20 instance.
>
>“What isn’t = happening are all the=20 things that should be”
>
>Or
>
>“What didn’t = happen are all the=20 things that should have”
>
>As opposed=20 to
>
>“Whatever happens is = the only thing=20 that could have or did”
>
>What are your thoughts on = other=20 “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>Warm=20 regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon=20 PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: = AndrewJRixon
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>------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May
>2009 14:58:49 -0400 From: Harrison Owen Subject:
>Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part
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>to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4
>principles and one = law are neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my = (and others') observations of what seemed
>to be happening in any case. In a = word they
>are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You
>could say it is all = a joke. Rather like
>"technology" in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny - because somehow or another
>truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
>Everybody knows = that what happens in Open
>Space simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does
>- = and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of
>other stuff - like most of what = we think we
>know about meetings, the management of meetings,
>and management itself. Double trouble!! =20
>Harrison =20 Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls
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>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of = Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May
>25, 2009 9:44 AM To:
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>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST =20 Hi Andrew =20
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with
>regard to the principles. =20 First of all the
>process is based on "SELF" (the most important
>concept here)-organisation which involved
>participation or non-participation = which
>involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris
>Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra, whatever will
>be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que =
>serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
>this song lol) your choice to let things happen
>is an intervention and so you have influenced
>the process making what happens the only thing
>that could have. =20 If you do not turn up then
>you have had an influence of non-influence = on
>the process and outcome so you have been
>involved and have been part of = the right
>people. =20 What ever happens is the only thing
>as if you are "involved" your involvement
>changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you
>are = "involved" via no-involvement you affect
>the dynamic in a different way and as I = stated
>above what then happens is the only thing that
>could have. =20 Likewise when it starts is
>because someone made a choice to start it and =
>you are "involved" or "not" which still has
>impact and similarly it's over because there is
>a choice made that it is over via group
>consensus or an individual's choice that for
>them it is over. =20 Everything is in some way
>linked and interdependent and what we choose =
>to do or not do, ripples out to affect all
>around us. =20 We just need to always endeavour
>to impact in a positive way. =20 Anyhoo, hope
>this adds to the confusion. =20 =20
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>--- -------------------------------------------
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual places that folks know = OST has
>happened? =20 I recently had the pleasure of
>opening space for a great group of young people
>(that's anyone younger than me) from about 9
>different parts of Europe who had come together
>In Londonderry to be involved in an = Up-cycling
>project of Trash to Treasure which also involved
>a 1 day OS. =20 =20 One participant selected the
>swimming pool as an additional breakout = space
>and it was one of the best attended sessions
>with the details of the conversation recorded at
>the side of the pool by anyone out of the =
>water. =20 Maybe the fifth unspoken principle
>is; Where ever it happens is the right
>place/only place it could have = happened =20
>=20 Regards =20 Derrick =20 =20 =20 Why not
>check out our website to view our services .
><http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>=20 =20 "Let the choices you make today, be the
>choices you can live with = tomorrow." Soon to
>be 2Wolves =20 Derrick Mathews Associates
>Consulting=20 22 Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down
>BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44
>(0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136
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>=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, =20 Recently
>I've been pondering / wondering about what might
>be the = Anti-laws of OST. =20 For instance. =20
>"What isn't happening are all the things that
>should be" =20 Or =20 "What didn't happen are
>all the things that should have" =20 As opposed
>to. =20 "Whatever happens is the only thing that
>could have or did" =20 What are your thoughts on
>other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) =20 Warm
>regards, Andrew =20 -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162=20
>Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching =
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . =20 =20 * * =
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>Just to render the whole thing = non-sensical,
>the 4 principles and one law are neither laws
>nor principles actually. = To be honest they are
>just my (and others’) observations of what
>seemed = to be happening in any case. In a word
>they are descriptive as opposed to = descriptive
>– You could say it is all a joke. Rather like =
>“technology” in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny – because somehow or another
>truth broke = through. We are in serious
>trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in
>Open Space = simply can’t happen. Unfortunately
>it does – and that makes a joke = out of a whole
>mess of other stuff – like most of what we think
>we know = about meetings, the management of
>meetings, and management itself. Double = trouble!!
>
>Harrison
>
>Harrison = Owen
>7808 River Falls = Drive
>Potomac, Maryland 20854
>Phone = 301-365-2093
>Skype = hhowen
>Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
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>-----Original = Message-----
>From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>To: = <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the = principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
>most important concept here)-organisation which
>involved participation or non-participation =
>which involves human choice. Even if you adopt
>a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra,
>whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours
>to see, que = serra, serra, am I giving my age
>away knowing this song lol) your choice to let =
>things happen is an intervention and so you have
>influenced the process making = what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have had an
>influence of non-influence on = the process and
>outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the = right people.
>
>What ever happens is the only thing as if you
>are "involved" your involvement changes the
>dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>dynamic in a = different way and as I stated
>above what then happens is the only thing that could = have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and = similarly
>it's over because there is a choice made that it
>is over via group = consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is = over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and
>interdependent and what we choose to do or not =
>do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
> =
> ;
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
> ----------------------------------------------=
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual places that folks know = OST has happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for
>a great group of young = people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts
>of = Europe who had come together In Londonderry
>to be involved in an Up-cycling = project of
>Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =
>
>One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space = and it was one of
>the best attended sessions with the details of
>the = conversation recorded at the side of the
>pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
>Why not check out our website to view our =
>services . www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk
>
>"Let the choices you make today, be the choices
>you can live with = tomorrow."
>Soon to be = 2Wolves
>[]
>
>
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>22 = Bridge Street
>Kilkeel
>Co. = Down
>BT34 = 4AD
>Tel: = + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>Fax: = + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 = 090
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><3D%22mailto:derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk%22>derrick at derrickmat=
>hewsconsulting.co.uk
>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>Skype: = derrick.mathews
>You can also find me on = Facebook
>
>Facilitation = | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
> &nbs= p; Open Space Technology Facilitation
>
>Helping Organisations to = Chart their Course
>
>
>
>
>From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>To: = <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>Dear All,
>
>Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about
>what might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>
>For = instance.
>
>“What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>
>Or
>
>“What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>
>As opposed = to
>
>“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>
>What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>Warm = regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national = conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change = one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
>
>
>* *
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>------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May
>2009 09:23:50 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject:
>Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part
>message in MIME format.
>------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C9DDE3.B0D42E60
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Harrison.
>I must confess that my interest really isn't in
>whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.
>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time
>paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4
>"principles" seem to relate to time. One of
>Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we
>(often without knowing it) carry around with us
>a time perspective. The time perspectives he
>talks about are: 1.Future (The well known
>westerner approach to planning and all things
>about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the
>most of now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to
>happen anyway) 4.Past Positive (Gratitude)
>5.Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time
>perspective would you choose to help you be most
>"healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we (especially
>in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive.
>You can even do your own assessment of what time
>zone you're living in here:
><http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards,
>Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish
>Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400
>352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May
>2009 4:59 AM To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to
>render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4
>principles and one law are neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and others') observations of what seemed to
>be happening in any case. In a word they are
>descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You
>could say it is all a joke. Rather like
>"technology" in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny - because somehow or another
>truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
>Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space
>simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and
>that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
>stuff - like most of what we think we know about
>meetings, the management of meetings, and
>management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison
>Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac,
>Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen
>Open Space Training
><http://www.openspaceworld.com>www.openspaceworld.com
>Open Space Institute
><http://www.openspaceworld.org>www.openspaceworld.org
>Personal website
><http://www.ho-image.com>www.ho-image.com
>OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your
>options, view the archives Visit:
><http://www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html>www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>-----Original Message----- From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25,
>2009 9:44 AM To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am
>unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to
>the principles. First of all the process is
>based on "SELF" (the most important concept
>here)-organisation which involved participation
>or non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach
>(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra,
>am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
>your choice to let things happen is an
>intervention and so you have influenced the
>process making what happens the only thing that
>could have. If you do not turn up then you have
>had an influence of non-influence on the process
>and outcome so you have been involved and have
>been part of the right people. What ever happens
>is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>likewise if you are "involved" via
>no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
>different way and as I stated above what then
>happens is the only thing that could have.
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's
>over because there is a choice made that it is
>over via group consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is over. Everything is
>in some way linked and interdependent and what
>we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect
>all around us. We just need to always endeavour
>to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this
>adds to the confusion.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------- And
>on another thread, where are the most unusual
>places that folks know OST has happened? I
>recently had the pleasure of opening space for a
>great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts of
>Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to
>Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One
>participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by
>anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth
>unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
>the right place/only place it could have
>happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
>website to view our services .
><http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>"Let the choices you make today, be the choices
>you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves
>Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22 Bridge
>Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: + 44 (0)
>560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162 Mobile:
>+ 44 (0) 7870 136 090 E-Mail:
><mailto:derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk>derrick at derrickmathewsconsulting.co.uk
>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk Skype:
>derrick.mathews You can also find me on Facebook
>Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | Training
>Open Space Technology Facilitation Helping
>Organisations to Chart their Course _____ From:
>OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
>On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009
>02:10 To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently
>I've been pondering / wondering about what might
>be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What
>isn't happening are all the things that should
>be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things
>that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever
>happens is the only thing that could have or
>did" What are your thoughts on other
>"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards,
>Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish
>Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400
>352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . * *
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>Thanks Harrison.
>
>I must confess that my interest = really isn’t
>in whether the 4 principles are principles or = laws.
>
>Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time
>paradox I couldn’t but help to see how all 4 =
>“principles” seem to relate to time.
>
>One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around
>how we (often without knowing it) carry around
>with = us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:
>Future (The well known westerner approach to
>planning and all things about = the future)
>Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
>Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen = anyway)
>Past Positive (Gratitude)
>Past Negative (Woe to me)
>
>Which time perspective would you = choose to help you be most “healthy” ?
>
>Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the
>west) need to be Highly Past = Positive.
>
>You can even do your own assessment = of what time zone you’re living in here:
>
>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>Know any jokes about time? = J
>
>Warm = regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national = conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change = one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
>
>=
>From: = OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison = Owen
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>
>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the
>4 principles and one law are neither laws nor =
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and others’) observations = of what seemed
>to be happening in any case. In a word they are
>descriptive = as opposed to descriptive – You
>could say it is all a joke. Rather = like
>“technology” in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, = however turned out to be
>outrageously funny – because somehow or another
>= truth broke through. We are in serious
>trouble! Everybody knows that what = happens in
>Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
>does – and = that makes a joke out of a whole
>mess of other stuff – like most of = what we
>think we know about meetings, the management of
>meetings, and management = itself. Double trouble!!
>
>Harrison
>
>Harrison = Owen
>7808 River Falls = Drive
>Potomac, Maryland 20854
>
>Phone = 301-365-2093
>Skype = hhowen
>Open Space = Training www.openspaceworld.com
>Open Space = Institute www.openspaceworld.org
>Personal = website www.ho-image.com =
>OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, = change your
>options, view the archives Visit:
>www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.h= tml
>
>-----Original = Message-----
>From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick = Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
>= most important concept here)-organisation
>which involved participation or =
>non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day =
>approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be,
>will be, the future's not ours to see, = que
>serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
>this song lol) your choice = to let things
>happen is an intervention and so you have
>influenced the process = making what happens the only thing that could = have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have had an
>influence = of non-influence on the process and
>outcome so you have been involved and = have been part of the right people.
>
>What ever happens is the only thing as if you
>are "involved" your involvement changes the
>dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the =
>dynamic in a different way and as I stated above
>what then happens is the only thing = that could have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to = start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has = impact and similarly
>it's over because there is a choice made that it
>is over = via group consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is = over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and
>interdependent and what = we choose to do or not
>do, ripples out to affect all around = us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive = way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the = confusion.
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>----------------------------------------------=
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual = places that folks know OST has happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for
>a great = group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 = different parts
>of Europe who had come together In Londonderry
>to be involved in an = Up-cycling project of
>Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. =
>
>One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the = details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle = is;
>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could = have happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
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>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew = Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>Dear = All,
>
>Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering about
>what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.
>
>For = instance.
>
>“What isn’t = happening are all the things that should be”
>
>Or<= /p>
>
>“What didn’t = happen are all the things that should have”
>
>As opposed = to
>
>“Whatever happens is = the only thing that could have or did”
>
>What are your thoughts on = other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>Warm = regards,
>Andrew
>
>--<= /p>
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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>------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May
>2009 19:01:19 -0500 From: Michael Maranda
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>--0016e64755aa2851fe046ac56dd8 Content-Type:
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>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 25,
>2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew Rixon wrote: > > Know
>any jokes about time? J > > > I used to. :) * *
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>On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew = Rixon
><<3D%22mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com%22>an= drew at babelfishgroup.com> wrote:
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>=A0
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>------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May
>2009 09:26:25 +0800 From: Brendan McKeague
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
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>quoted-printable for those living in the future
>it is wise to remember that... in two days time,
>tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM
>26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks
>Harrison. > >I must confess that my interest
>really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4 principles
>are principles or laws. > >Having recently read
>Phil Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t
>but help to see how all 4=20 >=93principles=94
>seem to relate to time. > >One of Zimbardo=92s
>interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often
>without knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a
>time perspective. The time perspectives he talks
>about are: > > * Future (The well known
>westerner approach=20 > to planning and all
>things about the future) > * Present Hedonistic
>(Make the most of now) > * Present Fatalistic
>(It=92s going to happen anyway) > * Past
>Positive (Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to
>me) > >Which time perspective would you choose
>to help you be most =93healthy=94
>? > >Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in
>the west)=20 >need to be Highly Past
>Positive. > >You can even do your own assessment
>of what time zone you=92re living in=
>here: > ><http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://w
>ww.thetimeparadox.com/ > >Know any jokes about
>time? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew
>Rixon PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty
>Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352
>809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> >URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
> > >Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure
>not=20 >to miss our national conference October
>8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>Approaching=20 >change one story at a time".
>Download the=20 >interactive
>brochure=20 >here. > > >---------- >From:
>OSLIST=20 >[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen >Sent: Tuesday, 26
>May 2009 4:59 AM >To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST > >Just
>to render the whole thing non-sensical,
>the=20 >4 principles and one law are neither
>laws nor=20 >principles actually. To be honest
>they are just=20 >my (and others=92)
>observations of what seemed to=20 >be happening
>in any case. In a word they are=20 >descriptive
>as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20 >could say
>it is all a joke. Rather
>like=20 >=93technology=94 in the phrase Open
>Space=20 >Technology. The joke, however turned
>out to be=20 >outrageously funny =96 because
>somehow or another=20 >truth broke through. We
>are in serious trouble!=20 >Everybody knows that
>what happens in Open Space=20 >simply can=92t
>happen. Unfortunately it does =96 and=20 >that
>makes a joke out of a whole mess of
>other=20 >stuff =96 like most of what we think
>we know about=20 >meetings, the management of
>meetings, and management itself. Double=
>trouble!! > >Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808
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>OSLIST=20 >[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews >Sent: Monday,
>May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST > >Hi
>Andrew > >I am unsure if you can have anti laws
>with regard to the principles. > >First of all
>the process is based on "SELF" (the=20 >most
>important concept here)-organisation
>which=20 >involved participation or
>non-participation=20 >which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt=20 >a Doris Day
>approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will
>be, will be, the future's not ours to
>see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving my age
>away=20 >knowing this song lol) your choice to
>let things=20 >happen is an intervention and so
>you have=20 >influenced the process making what
>happens the only thing that could have. > >If
>you do not turn up then you have had
>an=20 >influence of non-influence on the process
>and=20 >outcome so you have been involved and
>have been part of the right people. > >What ever
>happens is the only thing as if you=20 >are
>"involved" your involvement changes
>the=20 >dynamic and outcome, likewise if you
>are=20 >"involved" via no-involvement you affect
>the=20 >dynamic in a different way and as I
>stated above=20 >what then happens is the only
>thing that could have. > >Likewise when it
>starts is because someone made=20 >a choice to
>start it and you are "involved" or=20 >"not"
>which still has impact and similarly
>it's=20 >over because there is a choice made
>that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an
>individual's choice that for them it is=
>over. > >Everything is in some way linked
>and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do
>or not=20 >do, ripples out to affect all around
>us. > >We just need to always endeavour to
>impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this
>adds to the
>confusion. > >=20 >------------------------------
>---------------------------------------------=
>-------------------------------------------- >And
> on another thread, where are the
>most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST has
>happened? > >I recently had the pleasure of
>opening space for=20 >a great group of young
>people (that's anyone=20 >younger than me) from
>about 9 different parts=20 >of Europe who had
>come together In Londonderry=20 >to be involved
>in an Up-cycling project of Trash=20 >to
>Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One
>participant selected the swimming pool as
>an=20 >additional breakout space and it was one
>of the=20 >best attended sessions with the
>details of the=20 >conversation recorded at the
>side of the pool by anyone out of the
>water. > >Maybe the fifth unspoken principle
>is; >Where ever it happens is the right
>place/only place it could have
>happened > > >Regards > >Derrick > > > >Why not
>check out our website to view
>our=20 >services=20 >.=20 ><http://www.DerrickMat
>hewsConsulting.co>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co=
>.uk > >"Let the choices you make today, be the
>choices you can live with= tomorrow." >Soon to
>be 2Wolves >[] > >Derrick Mathews Associates
>Consulting > >22 Bridge Street > >Kilkeel >Co.
>Down >BT34 4AD >Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591 >Fax:
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>Facilitation > >Helping Organisations to Chart
>their Course > > > > > >From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Andrew= Rixon >Sent: 24 May 2009
>02:10 >To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear
>All, > >Recently I=92ve been pondering /
>wondering about=20 >what might be the Anti-laws
>of OST. > >For instance. > >=93What isn=92t
>happening are all the things that should
>be=94 > >Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all
>the things that should have=94 > >As opposed
>to=85 > >=93Whatever happens is the only thing
>that could have or did=94 > >What are your
>thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws?
>J > >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon
>PhD >Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype:
>AndrewJRixon >Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03)
>8610 0162 >Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
> >URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
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>not=20 >to miss our national conference October
>8 and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story:
>Approaching=20 >change one story at a time".
>Download the=20 >interactive
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>those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
>in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
>:-)
>At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>Thanks Harrison.
>
>I must confess that my interest really isn=92t
>in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.
>
>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time
>paradox I couldn=92t but help to see how all 4
>=93principles=94 seem to relate to time.
>
>One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is
>around how we (often without knowing it) carry
>around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:
>Future (The well known westerner approach to
>planning and all things about the future)=20
>Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)=20
>Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway)=20
>Past Positive (Gratitude)=20
>Past Negative (Woe to me)=20
>
>Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ?
>
>Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the
>west) need to be Highly Past Positive.
>
>You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re living in here:
>
><3D%22http://www.thetimeparadox.com/%22>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>Know any jokes about time? J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
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>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
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>From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the
>4 principles and one law are neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and others=92) observations of what seemed
>to be happening in any case. In a word they are
>descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You
>could say it is all a joke. Rather like
>=93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny =96 because somehow or
>another truth broke through. We are in serious
>trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in
>Open Space simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately
>it does =96 and that makes a joke out of a whole
>mess of other stuff =96 like most of what we
>think we know about meetings, the management of
>meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!
>
>Harrison
>
>Harrison Owen
>7808 River Falls Drive
>Potomac, Maryland 20854
>Phone 301-365-2093
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>
>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
>most important concept here)-organisation which
>involved participation or non-participation
>which involves human choice. Even if you adopt
>a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever
>will be, will be, the future's not ours to see,
>que serra, serra, am I giving my age away
>knowing this song lol) your choice to let things
>happen is an intervention and so you have
>influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have had an
>influence of non-influence on the process and
>outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people.
>
>What ever happen= s is the only thing as if you
>are "involved" your involvement changes the
>dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>dynamic in a different way and as I stated above
>what then happens is the only thing that could have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's
>over because there is a choice made that it is
>over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and
>interdependent and what we choose to do or not
>do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope thi= s adds to the confusion.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>-------------------------------------------
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual places that folks know OST has happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for
>a great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts
>of Europe who had come together In Londonderry
>to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash
>to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.
>
>One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
>Why not check out our website to view our
>services
>.
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>From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST
>Dear All,
>
>Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about
>what might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>
>For instance.
>
>=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94
>
>Or
>
>=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94
>
>As opposed to=85
>
>=93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94
>
>What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: <3D%22mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com%22>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
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>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
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><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
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>------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May
>2009 11:51:33 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject:
>Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part
>message in MIME format.
>------=_NextPart_000_0092_01C9DDF8.533C04C0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love that
>one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are
>all the things that should be" is pretty
>indicative of someone living in the future. Of
>course it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm
>regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Brendan McKeague Sent: Tuesday, 26 May
>2009 11:26 AM To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST for those
>living in the future it is wise to remember
>that... in two days time, tomorrow will be
>yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew
>Rixon wrote: Thanks Harrison. I must confess
>that my interest really isn't in whether the 4
>principles are principles or laws. Having
>recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I
>couldn't but help to see how all 4 "principles"
>seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's
>interesting writings is around how we (often
>without knowing it) carry around with us a time
>perspective. The time perspectives he talks
>about are: 1.Future (The well known westerner
>approach to planning and all things about the
>future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the most of
>now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen
>anyway) 4.Past Positive (Gratitude) 5.Past
>Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective
>would you choose to help you be most "healthy" ?
>Zimbardo's answer is we (especially in the west)
>need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do
>your own assessment of what time zone you're
>living in here:
><http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm regards,
>Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish
>Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400
>352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . _____ From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>Of Harrison Owen Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59
>AM To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST Just to
>render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4
>principles and one law are neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and others') observations of what seemed to
>be happening in any case. In a word they are
>descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You
>could say it is all a joke. Rather like
>"technology" in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny - because somehow or another
>truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
>Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space
>simply can't happen. Unfortunately it does - and
>that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
>stuff - like most of what we think we know about
>meetings, the management of meetings, and
>management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison
>Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac,
>Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen
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>-----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
>Of Derrick Mathews Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009
>9:44 AM To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST Hi Andrew I am
>unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to
>the principles. First of all the process is
>based on "SELF" (the most important concept
>here)-organisation which involved participation
>or non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach
>(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be,
>the future's not ours to see, que serra, serra,
>am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
>your choice to let things happen is an
>intervention and so you have influenced the
>process making what happens the only thing that
>could have. If you do not turn up then you have
>had an influence of non-influence on the process
>and outcome so you have been involved and have
>been part of the right people. What ever happens
>is the only thing as if you are "involved" your
>involvement changes the dynamic and outcome,
>likewise if you are "involved" via
>no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
>different way and as I stated above what then
>happens is the only thing that could have.
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's
>over because there is a choice made that it is
>over via group consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is over. Everything is
>in some way linked and interdependent and what
>we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect
>all around us. We just need to always endeavour
>to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this
>adds to the confusion.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>------------------------------------------- And
>on another thread, where are the most unusual
>places that folks know OST has happened? I
>recently had the pleasure of opening space for a
>great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts of
>Europe who had come together In Londonderry to
>be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to
>Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One
>participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by
>anyone out of the water. Maybe the fifth
>unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is
>the right place/only place it could have
>happened Regards Derrick Why not check out our
>website to view our services .
><http://www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>"Let the choices you make today, be the choices
>you can live with tomorrow." Soon to be 2Wolves
>[] Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting 22
>Bridge Street Kilkeel Co. Down BT34 4AD Tel: +
>44 (0) 560 266 2591 Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
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>Organisations to Chart their Course From: OSLIST
>[ mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On
>Behalf Of Andrew Rixon Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>To:
><mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All, Recently
>I've been pondering / wondering about what might
>be the Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What
>isn't happening are all the things that should
>be" Or "What didn't happen are all the things
>that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever
>happens is the only thing that could have or
>did" What are your thoughts on other
>"complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards,
>Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish
>Group Pty Ltd Skype: AndrewJRixon Mobile: 0400
>352 809 Fax: (03) 8610 0162 Email:
><mailto:andrew at babelfishgroup.com>andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL:
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/>http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure here . * *
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>Yep! Love that = one.
>
>And I think the “Whatever = didn’t happen are
>all the things that should be” is pretty
>indicative of = someone living in the future.
>
>Of course it couldn’t = possibly be me. J
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national = conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change = one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
>
>=
>From: = OSLIST
>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brendan = McKeague
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 11:26 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST
>
>for those living in the future it is wise to remember = that...
>in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
>:-)
>At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>Thanks = Harrison.
>
>I must confess that my interest really isn’t in
>whether the 4 = principles are principles or laws.
>
>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time
>paradox I couldn’t = but help to see how all 4
>“principles” seem to relate to = time.
>
>One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around
>how we (often = without knowing it) carry around
>with us a time perspective. The time = perspectives he talks about are:
>Future (The = well known westerner approach to
>planning and all things about the = future)
>Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
>Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
>Past = Positive (Gratitude)
>Past = Negative (Woe to me)
>
>Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healthy” ?
>
>Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west)
>need to be Highly = Past Positive.
>
>You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re = living in here:
>
>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>Know any jokes about time? J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national = conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change = one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
>
>From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the
>4 principles and one law are = neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and = others’) observations of what seemed
>to be happening in any case. In a word they =
>are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You
>could say it is all a = joke. Rather like
>“technology” in the phrase Open Space =
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny – because = somehow or
>another truth broke through. We are in serious
>trouble! Everybody knows = that what happens in
>Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
>= does – and that makes a joke out of a whole
>mess of other stuff – = like most of what we
>think we know about meetings, the management of
>= meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!
>
>Harrison
>
>Harrison Owen
>
>7808 River Falls = Drive
>
>Potomac, Maryland = 20854
>
>
>Phone 301-365-2093
>
>Skype hhowen
>
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><3D%22http://www.openspaceworld.com/%22>www.openspaceworld.com =
>
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><3D%22http://www.openspaceworld.org/%22>www.openspaceworld.org =
>
>Personal website www.ho-image.com
>
>OSLIST: = To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your
>options, view the archives Visit:
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>.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
>
>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to = the principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on "SELF" =
>(the most important concept here)-organisation
>which involved participation = or
>non-participation which involves human
>choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris Day
>approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be,
>will be, the future's = not ours to see, que
>serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing
>this song = lol) your choice to let things
>happen is an intervention and so you have =
>influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have had an =
>influence of non-influence on the process and
>outcome so you have been involved and = have been part of the right people.
>
>What ever happens is the only thing as if you
>are "involved" your involvement changes the
>dynamic and outcome, = likewise if you are
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the =
>dynamic in a different way and as I stated above
>what then happens is the only thing = that could have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a = choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still = has impact and similarly
>it's over because there is a choice made that it
>is = over via group consensus or an individual's
>choice that for them it is = over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and
>interdependent = and what we choose to do or not
>do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a = positive way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>----------------------------------------------
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual places that folks know = OST has happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for
>a = great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts
>of Europe who had come together In Londonderry
>to be = involved in an Up-cycling project of
>Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.
>
>One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>= additional breakout space and it was one of
>the best attended sessions with the = details of
>the conversation recorded at the side of the
>pool by anyone out of the = water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have = happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
>
>
>Why not check out our website to = view our
>services . www.DerrickMathewsCon= sulting.co.uk
>
>"Let the choices you make today, be the choices
>you can live with = tomorrow."
>Soon to be 2Wolves
>Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting
>22 = Bridge Street
>Kilkeel
>Co. Down
>BT34 4AD
>Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
>Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
>Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
>E-Mail: derrick at derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk
>www.DerrickMathewsConsulting.co.uk
>Skype: derrick.mathews
>You can also find me on Facebook
>
>Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
> Open Space Technology = Facilitation
>
>Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
>
>
>
>
>
>From: = OSLIST [
>mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
>To: <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
>Dear All,
>
>Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about
>what might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>
>For instance.
>
>“What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”
>
>Or
>
>“What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”
>
>As opposed to
>
>“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”
>
>What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? = J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
>--
>Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
>Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
>Email: andrew at babelfishgroup.com
>URL: http://www.babelfishgroup.com/
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national = conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change = one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=>here.
>
>
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