<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Also remember: physical presence - esp if coerced - is never the same as genuine Being There/real Presence. J</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 26, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Brendan McKeague <<a href="mailto:mckeague@iprimus.com.au">mckeague@iprimus.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Bhav - so the perceived 'key technician' didn't show up...I wonder what
would have happened?<br><br>
Would Boeing have ended up building a door with different hinges, in
different colours, with left-handed handles?<br><br>
and would another even more marvellous 'key technician' emerge from the
woodwork?<br><br>
and would the mob have found another way of including the 'key
technician' after the OS meeting? (or even from his/her holiday
location?)<br><br>
and maybe the sky would have fallen in....and the Boeing with
it????<br><br>
Whatever happened was the only thing that did!<br><br>
When I try to hypothesise what 'might have happened' - it gets rather
convoluted. <br>
We usually only see who the real 'key players' are/were after the event -
and where their energy/responsibility emerges and grows into something
new...<br><br>
And anyway, even if mandated to be there by the Boss, everyone can use
the Law and 'go on hoiliday' whenever they like<br><br>
Cheers<br>
Brendan<br><br>
At 09:12 AM 27/05/2009, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="cite" cite="">Dear Harrison and
friends,<br><br>
My Boss raised an interesting question and I would love to hear your
experience on this issue.<br><br>
He cited the Boeing doors example and then challenged the idea of
INVITATION. He said in a business organisation, some key people just have
to be there, they can't have a choice about coming.<br><br>
So I explained to him that in the Pre-OST stage, there is a lot of work
done with the Sponsor group looking at questions like that, however
ultimately people must individually choose to be there or not.<br><br>
So then he said well what if in the Boeing example, one of the key
technicians, essential for the whole process, decided not to turn up
because he had booked a holiday and just didn't want to miss it.<br><br>
This does raise an interesting question about whether people can really
be free to choose.<br><br>
PLEASE PLEASE share your experiences with me because having facilitated a
number of OSTs, I am convinced about how it works, and the also the
deeper aspects that emerge from it.<br><br>
Thanks Bhav...<br><br>
<br><br>
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:29:13 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re:
anti laws Ah yes, I never cease to marvel at the opportunities we have to
"live vicariously through others". :) Warm regards, Andrew --
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all, i've sometimes pondered the "Low of too feat": Others take
responsibility for what *I* love as an act of service or If I'm neither
learning nor contributing everyone else should leave ... and by
extension-- bumblebees are those who go and sting others in as many
groups as possible. and butterflies? yes, it does jangle the senses a
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:43:33 +0100 From: Derrick Mathews Subject: Re:
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Andrew I am unsure if you can have
anti laws with regard to the principles. First of all the process is
based on "SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation
which involved participation or non-participation which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra,
whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let
things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process
making what happens the only thing that could have. If you do not turn up
then you have had an influence of non-influence on the process and
outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people.
What ever happens is the only thing as if you are "involved"
your involvement changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
"involved" via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a
different way and as I stated above what then happens is the only thing
that could have. Likewise when it starts is because someone made a choice
to start it and you are "involved" or "not" which
still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice made
that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for
them it is over. Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and
what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We
just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope
this adds to the confusion.
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are the most unusual places that folks know OST has happened? I recently
had the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people
(that's anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe
who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling
project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One
participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space
and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the
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Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All,
Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the
things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the
things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is
the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on
other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew --
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</dd><dd>Hi Andrew
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with = regard to=20 the
principles.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">First of all the process is based on =
"SELF"=20 (the most important concept here)-organisation which
involved = participation or=20 non-participation which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris=20 Day approach (Que Serra,
Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's = not ours=20 to see, que
serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) = your=20
choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have =
influenced the=20 process making what happens the only thing that
could=20 have.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">If you do not turn up then you have = had an=20
influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have =
been=20 involved and have been part of the right = people.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">What ever happens is the only thing = as if
you=20 are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
outcome, = likewise if you=20 are "involved" via no-involvement
you affect the dynamic in a different = way and=20 as I stated above what
then happens is the only thing that could=20 have.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">Likewise when it starts is because = someone
made=20 a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
"not" which still has = impact and=20 similarly it's over
because there is a choice made that it is over via = group=20 consensus
or an individual's choice that for them it is=20 over.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">Everything is in some way linked and=20
interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect
= all=20 around us.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">We just need to always endeavour to = impact in
a=20 positive way.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">Anyhoo, hope this adds to the=20
confusion.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F"> =20
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----------------------------------------------</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">And on another thread, where are the = most=20
unusual places that folks know OST has=20 happened?</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">I recently had the pleasure of = opening
space=20 for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than
me) = from =20 about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In
Londonderry = to be=20 involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to
Treasure which also = involved a 1=20 day OS. </font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">One participant selected the swimming = pool
as=20 an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended =
sessions with=20 the details of the conversation recorded at the side of
the pool by = anyone out=20 of the water.</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000F">Maybe the fifth unspoken principle=20 is;
</font></dd><font color="#3D000F"></font><dd><font color="#3D000F">Where ever it happens is the right = place/only=20 place it could
have happened</font>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Regards
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Derrick
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</dd><dd>From: OSLIST=20
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</dd><dd>Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
</dd><dd>To:=20
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</dd><dd>Subject: Anti Laws of=20 OST<br>
</dd><dd>Dear=20 All,<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>Recently I’ve been = pondering /=20 wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of = OST.<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>For=20 instance.<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>“What isn’t = happening are all the=20 things that should be”<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>Or<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>“What didn’t = happen are all the=20 things that should have”<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>As opposed=20 to…<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>“Whatever happens is = the only thing=20 that could have or did”<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>What are your thoughts on = other=20 “complimentary” anti-laws?
J<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>Warm=20 regards,<br>
</dd><dd>Andrew<br>
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>--<br>
</dd><dd>Andrew Rixon=20 PhD
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</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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From: Harrison Owen Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to render the whole
thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one = law are neither laws nor
principles actually. To be honest they are just my = (and others')
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a = word they
are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it is all = a
joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open Space
Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny -
because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious
trouble! Everybody knows = that what happens in Open Space simply can't
happen. Unfortunately it does - = and that makes a joke out of a whole
mess of other stuff - like most of what = we think we know about
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=20 Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the =
Anti-laws of OST. =20 For instance. =20 "What isn't happening are
all the things that should be" =20 Or =20 "What didn't happen
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Just to render the whole thing = non-sensical,
the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually. =
To be honest they are just my (and others’) observations of what seemed =
to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to
= descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. Rather like =
“technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however
turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or another truth
broke = through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
happens in Open Space = simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does – and
that makes a joke = out of a whole mess of other stuff – like most of
what we think we know = about meetings, the management of meetings, and
management itself. Double = trouble!!</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Harrison</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Harrison = Owen</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">7808 River Falls = Drive</font>
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Phone = 301-365-2093</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Skype = hhowen</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Open Space = Training
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
</dd><dd>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
</dd><dd>To: =
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</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Hi Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">I am unsure if you can have anti laws with
regard to the = principles.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which
involved participation or non-participation = which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que = Serra, Serra,
whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que = serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let
= things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process
making = what happens the only thing that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">If you do not turn up then you have had an
influence of non-influence on = the process and outcome so you have
been involved and have been part of the = right people.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">What ever happens is the only thing as if you
are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you
affect the dynamic in a = different way and as I stated above what then
happens is the only thing that could = have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Likewise when it starts is because someone made
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not"
which still has impact and = similarly it's over because there is a
choice made that it is over via group = consensus or an individual's
choice that for them it is = over.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Everything is in some way linked and
interdependent and what we choose to do or not = do, ripples out to
affect all around us.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
positive = way.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Anyhoo, hope this adds to the
confusion.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E"> = ;
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----------------------------------------------</font>
<font color="#3D0ED0">= </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">And on another thread, where are the most
unusual places that folks know = OST has happened?</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">I recently had the pleasure of opening space
for a great group of young = people (that's anyone younger than me)
from about 9 different parts of = Europe who had come together In
Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling = project of Trash to
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. = </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">One participant selected the swimming pool as
an additional breakout space = and it was one of the best attended
sessions with the details of the = conversation recorded at the side of
the pool by anyone out of the = water.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Where ever it happens is the right place/only
place it could have = happened</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Regards</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Derrick</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
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</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>From: OSLIST
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
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</dd><dd>To: =
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</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Subject: Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Dear All,</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering
about what might be the Anti-laws of OST.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">For = instance.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“What isn’t = happening are all the things that
should be”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Or</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“What didn’t = happen are all the things that
should have”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">As opposed = to…</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“Whatever happens is = the only thing that
could have or did”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">What are your thoughts on = other
“complimentary” anti-laws? J</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Warm = regards,</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">--</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Andrew Rixon PhD
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
</dd><dd>Skype: AndrewJRixon
</dd><dd>Mobile: 0400 352 809
</dd><dd>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
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From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST This is a multi-part
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Harrison. I must confess that my
interest really isn't in whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to
see how all 4 "principles" seem to relate to time. One of
Zimbardo's interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing
it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he
talks about are: 1.Future (The well known westerner approach to planning
and all things about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the most of
now) 3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4.Past Positive
(Gratitude) 5.Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective would you
choose to help you be most "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we
(especially in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do
your own assessment of what time zone you're living in here:
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a></a> Know any jokes about time? :-) Warm
regards, Andrew -- Andrew Rixon PhD Director Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law
are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my
(and others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In
a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it
is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open
Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny -
because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious
trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can't
happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of a whole mess
of other stuff - like most of what we think we know about meetings, the
management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison
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Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or
non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris
Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's
not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this
song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you
have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could
have. If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and
have been part of the right people. What ever happens is the only thing
as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic
and outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement
you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then
happens is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is
because someone made a choice to start it and you are
"involved" or "not" which still has impact and
similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via
group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.
Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to
do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always
endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the
confusion.
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who had come together In Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling
project of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. One
participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space
and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; Where ever it happens is the right
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All,
Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the
things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the
things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is
the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on
other "complimentary" anti-laws? :-) Warm regards, Andrew --
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Thanks Harrison.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">I must confess that my interest = really isn’t
in whether the 4 principles are principles or = laws.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Having recently read Phil = Zimbardo’s time
paradox I couldn’t but help to see how all 4 = “principles” seem to
relate to time.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is
around how we (often without knowing it) carry around with = us a time
perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:<br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things
about = the future)</font><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Present Hedonistic (Make the most of
now)</font><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen =
anyway)</font><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Past Positive
(Gratitude)</font><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Past Negative (Woe to
me)</font><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Which time perspective would you = choose to
help you be most “healthy” ?</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Zimbardo’s answer is we = (especially in the
west) need to be Highly Past = Positive.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">You can even do your own assessment = of what
time zone you’re living in here:<br><br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a> </a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"> </a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Know any jokes about time? =
J</a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"> </a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Warm = regards,</a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Andrew</a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"> </a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">--</a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Andrew Rixon PhD
</a></font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
</dd><dd>Skype: AndrewJRixon
</dd><dd>Mobile: 0400 352 809
</dd><dd>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
</dd></a></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Email: </a><a href="??.htm"><a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a> URL:
<a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a></a></font>
<font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">
</a></font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"></a></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national =
conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
change = one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure
</a>
<a href="3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=">
here</a>.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">= <br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>From: = OSLIST
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Harrison = Owen
</dd><dd>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Just to render the whole thing non-sensical,
the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor = principles actually.
To be honest they are just my (and others’) observations = of what seemed
to be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive = as opposed
to descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. Rather = like
“technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, = however
turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or another = truth
broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what =
happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does – and =
that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like most of =
what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and
management = itself. Double trouble!!</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Harrison</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Harrison = Owen</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">7808 River Falls = Drive</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Potomac, Maryland 20854</font>
<br><br>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Phone = 301-365-2093</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Skype = hhowen</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Open Space = Training
<a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></a> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Open Space = Institute
<a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org">www.openspaceworld.org</a></a></font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Personal = website
<a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a></a> = </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, = change
your options, view the archives Visit:
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">-----Original = Message-----
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>From: OSLIST
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Derrick =
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</dd><dd>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
</dd><dd>To:
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</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Hi Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">I am unsure if you can have anti laws with
regard to the principles.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the = most important concept here)-organisation which
involved participation or = non-participation which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day = approach (Que Serra, Serra,
whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, = que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice = to
let things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the
process = making what happens the only thing that could = have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">If you do not turn up then you have had an
influence = of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have
been involved and = have been part of the right people.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">What ever happens is the only thing as if you
are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
outcome, = likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement
you affect the = dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what
then happens is the only thing = that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Likewise when it starts is because someone made
a choice to = start it and you are "involved" or
"not" which still has = impact and similarly it's over because
there is a choice made that it is over = via group consensus or an
individual's choice that for them it is = over.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Everything is in some way linked and
interdependent and what = we choose to do or not do, ripples out to
affect all around = us.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
positive = way.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Anyhoo, hope this adds to the =
confusion.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------</font>
<font color="#3D0ED0">= </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">And on another thread, where are the most
unusual = places that folks know OST has happened?</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
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</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>From: OSLIST
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew = Rixon
</dd><dd>Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Subject: Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Dear = All,</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Recently I’ve been = pondering / wondering
about what might be the Anti-laws of = OST.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">For = instance.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“What isn’t = happening are all the things that
should be”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Or<= /p> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“What didn’t = happen are all the things that
should have”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">As opposed = to…</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">“Whatever happens is = the only thing that
could have or did”</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">What are your thoughts on = other
“complimentary” anti-laws? J</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Warm = regards,</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">--<= /p> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Andrew Rixon PhD
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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From: Michael Maranda Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, May 25, 2009
at 6:23 PM, Andrew Rixon wrote: > > Know any jokes about time? J
> > > I used to. :) * *
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</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andrew = Rixon
<<a href="3D%22mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com%22">an=
<a href="mailto:drew@babelfishgroup.com">drew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br>
</font>
<dl>
<dd><font color="#3D0A00">Know any jokes about time= ? J</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">=A0
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><= /div></font>
</dd></dl>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">I used to.<br><br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>:) <br>
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From: Brendan McKeague Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
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quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to remember
that... in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM
26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote: >Thanks Harrison. > >I must
confess that my interest really isn=92t in=20 >whether the 4
principles are principles or laws. > >Having recently read Phil
Zimbardo=92s time=20 >paradox I couldn=92t but help to see how all
4=20 >=93principles=94 seem to relate to time. > >One of
Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around=20 >how we (often without
knowing it) carry around=20 >with us a time perspective. The time
perspectives he talks about are: > > * Future (The well known
westerner approach=20 > to planning and all things about the future)
> * Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now) > * Present
Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen anyway) > * Past Positive
(Gratitude) > * Past Negative (Woe to me) > >Which time
perspective would you choose to help you be most =93healthy=94 ? >
>Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west)=20 >need to be
Highly Past Positive. > >You can even do your own assessment of
what time zone you=92re living in= here: >
><a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a></a> > >Know any jokes about time? J
> >Warm regards, >Andrew > >-- >Andrew Rixon PhD
>Director >Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd >Skype: AndrewJRixon
>Mobile: 0400 352 809 >Fax: (03) 8610 0162 >Email:
<a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com"><a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a>
>URL:
<a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">
<a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a></a> > >Interested in Story and
Narrative? Be sure not=20 >to miss our national conference October 8
and=20 >9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching=20 >change
one story at a time". Download the=20 >interactive brochure=20
>here. > > >---------- >From: OSLIST=20
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>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM >To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> >Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of
OST > >Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the=20 >4
principles and one law are neither laws nor=20 >principles actually.
To be honest they are just=20 >my (and others=92) observations of what
seemed to=20 >be happening in any case. In a word they are=20
>descriptive as opposed to descriptive =96 You=20 >could say it is
all a joke. Rather like=20 >=93technology=94 in the phrase Open
Space=20 >Technology. The joke, however turned out to be=20
>outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another=20 >truth broke
through. We are in serious trouble!=20 >Everybody knows that what
happens in Open Space=20 >simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does
=96 and=20 >that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other=20
>stuff =96 like most of what we think we know about=20 >meetings,
the management of meetings, and management itself. Double= trouble!! >
>Harrison > > >Harrison Owen > >7808 River Falls Drive
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> >-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST=20
>[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM >To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> >Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST >
>Hi Andrew > >I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard
to the principles. > >First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the=20 >most important concept here)-organisation
which=20 >involved participation or non-participation=20 >which
involves human choice. Even if you adopt=20 >a Doris Day approach (Que
Serra, Serra, whatever=20 >will be, will be, the future's not ours to
see,=20 >que serra, serra, am I giving my age away=20 >knowing this
song lol) your choice to let things=20 >happen is an intervention and
so you have=20 >influenced the process making what happens the only
thing that could have. > >If you do not turn up then you have had
an=20 >influence of non-influence on the process and=20 >outcome so
you have been involved and have been part of the right people. >
>What ever happens is the only thing as if you=20 >are
"involved" your involvement changes the=20 >dynamic and
outcome, likewise if you are=20 >"involved" via
no-involvement you affect the=20 >dynamic in a different way and as I
stated above=20 >what then happens is the only thing that could have.
> >Likewise when it starts is because someone made=20 >a choice
to start it and you are "involved" or=20 >"not"
which still has impact and similarly it's=20 >over because there is a
choice made that it is=20 >over via group consensus or an individual's
choice that for them it is= over. > >Everything is in some way
linked and=20 >interdependent and what we choose to do or not=20
>do, ripples out to affect all around us. > >We just need to
always endeavour to impact in a positive way. > >Anyhoo, hope this
adds to the confusion. > >=20
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------------------------- >And on another thread,
where are the most=20 >unusual places that folks know OST has
happened? > >I recently had the pleasure of opening space for=20
>a great group of young people (that's anyone=20 >younger than me)
from about 9 different parts=20 >of Europe who had come together In
Londonderry=20 >to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash=20
>to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. > >One participant
selected the swimming pool as an=20 >additional breakout space and it
was one of the=20 >best attended sessions with the details of the=20
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the
water. > >Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is; >Where ever it
happens is the right place/only place it could have happened > >
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> >Subject: Anti Laws of OST >Dear
All, > >Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about=20
>what might be the Anti-laws of OST. > >For instance. >
>=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94 >
>Or > >=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should
have=94 > >As opposed to=85 > >=93Whatever happens is the
only thing that could have or did=94 > >What are your thoughts on
other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J > >Warm regards, >Andrew
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quoted-printable for those living in the future it is wise to remember
that...
</dd><dd>in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
</dd><dd>:-)<br>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:</font>
<dl>
<dd><font color="#3D0080">Thanks Harrison.
</font></dd><font color="#3D0080"><dd>
</dd><dd>I must confess that my interest really isn=92t in whether the 4
principles are principles or laws.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo=92s time paradox I couldn=92t but
help to see how all 4 =93principles=94 seem to relate to time.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>One of Zimbardo=92s interesting writings is around how we (often
without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time
perspectives he talks about are:<br>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0080">Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things
about the future)</font><font color="#3D0A00">=20 </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0080">Present Hedonistic (Make the most of
now)</font><font color="#3D0A00">=20 </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0080">Present Fatalistic (It=92s going to happen
anyway)</font><font color="#3D0A00">=20 </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0080">Past Positive
(Gratitude)</font><font color="#3D0A00">=20 </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0080">Past Negative (Woe to
me)</font><font color="#3D0A00">=20 </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0080">
</font></dd><font color="#3D0080"><dd>Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most
=93healthy=94 ?
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Zimbardo=92s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly
Past Positive.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you=92re living
in here:<br><br>
</dd><dd><a href="3D%22http://www.thetimeparadox.com/%22">
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a></a>
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Know any jokes about time? J
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Warm regards,
</dd><dd>Andrew
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>--
</dd><dd>Andrew Rixon PhD
</dd><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0080"> <hr>
</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">From: OSLIST [
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
</dd><dd>To:
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd><dd>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00">Just to render the whole thing non-sensical,
the 4 principles and one law are neither laws nor principles actually. To
be honest they are just my (and others=92) observations of what seemed to
be happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to
descriptive =96 You could say it is all a joke. Rather like
=93technology=94 in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however
turned out to be outrageously funny =96 because somehow or another truth
broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that what
happens in Open Space simply can=92t happen. Unfortunately it does =96
and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff =96 like most of
what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and
management itself. Double trouble!!
</font></dd><font color="#3DFF00"><dd>
</dd><dd>Harrison
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font><font color="#3D0A00"></font>
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</dd><dd>-----Original Message-----
</dd><dd>From: OSLIST [
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
</dd><dd>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
</dd><dd>To:
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd><dd>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Hi Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">I am unsure if you can have anti laws with
regard to the principles.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">First of all the process is based on
"SELF" (the most important concept here)-organisation which
involved participation or non-participation which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra,
whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to see, que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol) your choice to let
things happen is an intervention and so you have influenced the process
making what happens the only thing that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">If you do not turn up then you have had an
influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have
been involved and have been part of the right people.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">What ever happen= s is the only thing as if you
are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement you
affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then
happens is the only thing that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Likewise when it starts is because someone made
a choice to start it and you are "involved" or "not"
which still has impact and similarly it's over because there is a choice
made that it is over via group consensus or an individual's choice that
for them it is over.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Everything is in some way linked and
interdependent and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to affect
all around us.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
positive way.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Anyhoo, hope thi= s adds to the
confusion.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">
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</font></dd><font color="#3D00FF"></font><dd><font color="#3D00FF">And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks
know OST has happened?</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">I recently had the pleasure of opening space
for a great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me)
from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In
Londonderry to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to Treasure
which also involved a 1 day OS. </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">One participant selected the swimming pool as
an additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended sessions
with the details of the conversation recorded at the side of the pool by
anyone out of the water.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
</font></dd><font color="#3D00FF"></font><dd><font color="#3D00FF">Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have
happened</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DFF00">
</font></dd><font color="#3DFF00"><dd>
</dd><dd>Regards
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Derrick
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>
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</dd><dd>From: OSLIST [
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
</dd><dd>Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
</dd><dd>To:
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</dd><dd>Subject: Anti Laws of OST
</dd><dd>Dear All,
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Recently I=92ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>For instance.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>=93What isn=92t happening are all the things that should be=94
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Or
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>=93What didn=92t happen are all the things that should have=94
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>As opposed to=85
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>=93Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did=94
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>What are your thoughts on other =93complimentary=94 anti-laws? J
</dd><dd>
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:51:33 +1000 From: Andrew Rixon Subject: Re:
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep! Love
that one. And I think the "Whatever didn't happen are all the things
that should be" is pretty indicative of someone living in the
future. Of course it couldn't possibly be me. :-) Warm regards, Andrew --
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for those living in the future it is wise to remember that... in two days
time, tomorrow will be yesterday :-) At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon
wrote: Thanks Harrison. I must confess that my interest really isn't in
whether the 4 principles are principles or laws. Having recently read
Phil Zimbardo's time paradox I couldn't but help to see how all 4
"principles" seem to relate to time. One of Zimbardo's
interesting writings is around how we (often without knowing it) carry
around with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about
are: 1.Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all
things about the future) 2.Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
3.Present Fatalistic (It's going to happen anyway) 4.Past Positive
(Gratitude) 5.Past Negative (Woe to me) Which time perspective would you
choose to help you be most "healthy" ? Zimbardo's answer is we
(especially in the west) need to be Highly Past Positive. You can even do
your own assessment of what time zone you're living in here:
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Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law
are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my
(and others') observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In
a word they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive - You could say it
is all a joke. Rather like "technology" in the phrase Open
Space Technology. The joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny -
because somehow or another truth broke through. We are in serious
trouble! Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space simply can't
happen. Unfortunately it does - and that makes a joke out of a whole mess
of other stuff - like most of what we think we know about meetings, the
management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!! Harrison
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Andrew I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the
principles. First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
most important concept here)-organisation which involved participation or
non-participation which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris
Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's
not ours to see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this
song lol) your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you
have influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could
have. If you do not turn up then you have had an influence of
non-influence on the process and outcome so you have been involved and
have been part of the right people. What ever happens is the only thing
as if you are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic
and outcome, likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement
you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what then
happens is the only thing that could have. Likewise when it starts is
because someone made a choice to start it and you are
"involved" or "not" which still has impact and
similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via
group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.
Everything is in some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to
do or not do, ripples out to affect all around us. We just need to always
endeavour to impact in a positive way. Anyhoo, hope this adds to the
confusion.
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participant selected the swimming pool as an additional breakout space
and it was one of the best attended sessions with the details of the
conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
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<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a> Subject: Anti Laws of OST Dear All,
Recently I've been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST. For instance. "What isn't happening are all the
things that should be" Or "What didn't happen are all the
things that should have" As opposed to. "Whatever happens is
the only thing that could have or did" What are your thoughts on
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Yep! Love that = one.</font>
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">And I think the “Whatever = didn’t happen are
all the things that should be” is pretty indicative of = someone living
in the future.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Of course it couldn’t = possibly be me. J<br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Warm regards,</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">--</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Andrew Rixon PhD
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
</dd><dd>Skype: AndrewJRixon
</dd><dd>Mobile: 0400 352 809
</dd><dd>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Email: <a href="??.htm"><a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a> URL:
<a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a></a></font>
<font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">
</a></font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm"></a></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"><a href="??.htm">Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national =
conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
change = one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure
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here</a>.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>= <br>
</dd><dd>From: = OSLIST
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Brendan =
McKeague
</dd><dd>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 11:26 AM
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of = OST</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">for those living in the future it is wise to
remember = that...<br>
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
</dd><dd>:-)<br>
</dd><dd>At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:<br>
</dd><dd>Thanks = Harrison.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4 =
principles are principles or laws.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t = but
help to see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to = time.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often =
without knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time =
perspectives he talks about are:
</dd><dd>Future (The = well known westerner approach to planning and all
things about the = future)
</dd><dd>Present = Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
</dd><dd>Present = Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
</dd><dd>Past = Positive (Gratitude)
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00">Past = Negative (Woe to me) </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00">
</font></dd><font color="#3D0A00"><dd>Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healthy”
?
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly =
Past Positive.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re = living
in here:<br><br>
</dd><dd><a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a>
</a></dd><a href="??.htm"><dd>
</dd></a><dd><a href="??.htm">Know any jokes about time? </a><a href="??.htm">J
</a></dd><a href="??.htm"><dd>
</dd><dd>Warm regards,
</dd><dd>Andrew
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>--
</dd><dd>Andrew Rixon PhD
</dd><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
</dd><dd>Skype: AndrewJRixon
</dd><dd>Mobile: 0400 352 809
</dd><dd>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
</dd></a><dd><a href="??.htm">Email: </a><a href="??.htm"><a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a>
</dd><dd>URL: <a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.babelfishgroup.com/">http://www.babelfishgroup.com/</a><br>
</a></dd><a href="??.htm"></a><dd><a href="??.htm">Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not to miss our national =
conference October 8 and 9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
change = one story at a time". Download the interactive brochure
</a>
<a href="3D%22http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pd=">
here</a>.
</dd><dd> <br>
</dd><dd>From: OSLIST [
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
</dd><dd>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May = 2009 4:59 AM
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd><dd>Subject: Re: = [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Just to render the whole thing non-sensical,
the 4 principles and one law are = neither laws nor principles actually.
To be honest they are just my (and = others’) observations of what seemed
to be happening in any case. In a word they = are descriptive as opposed
to descriptive – You could say it is all a = joke. Rather like
“technology” in the phrase Open Space = Technology. The joke, however
turned out to be outrageously funny – because = somehow or another truth
broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows = that what
happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it = does – and
that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – = like most of
what we think we know about meetings, the management of = meetings, and
management itself. Double trouble!!
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>
</dd><dd>Harrison
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Harrison Owen</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0A00"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">7808 River Falls = Drive</font>
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</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>-----Original Message-----
</dd><dd>From: OSLIST [
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
</dd><dd>Sent: Monday, May 25, = 2009 9:44 AM
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd><dd>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of = OST
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Hi Andrew</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">I am unsure if you can have anti laws with
regard to = the principles.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">First of all the process is based on
"SELF" = (the most important concept here)-organisation which
involved participation = or non-participation which involves human
choice. Even if you adopt a = Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra,
whatever will be, will be, the future's = not ours to see, que serra,
serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song = lol) your choice to
let things happen is an intervention and so you have = influenced the
process making what happens the only thing that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">If you do not turn up then you have had an =
influence of non-influence on the process and outcome so you have
been involved and = have been part of the right people.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">What ever happens is the only thing as if you
are "involved" your involvement changes the dynamic and
outcome, = likewise if you are "involved" via no-involvement
you affect the = dynamic in a different way and as I stated above what
then happens is the only thing = that could have.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Likewise when it starts is because someone made
a = choice to start it and you are "involved" or
"not" which still = has impact and similarly it's over because
there is a choice made that it is = over via group consensus or an
individual's choice that for them it is = over.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Everything is in some way linked and
interdependent = and what we choose to do or not do, ripples out to
affect all around us.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">We just need to always endeavour to impact in a
= positive way.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Anyhoo, hope this adds to the
confusion.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
----------------------------------------------
</font></dd><font color="#3DB00E"></font><dd><font color="#3DB00E">And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks
know = OST has happened?</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">I recently had the pleasure of opening space
for a = great group of young people (that's anyone younger than me)
from about 9 different parts of Europe who had come together In
Londonderry to be = involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash to
Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">One participant selected the swimming pool as
an = additional breakout space and it was one of the best attended
sessions with the = details of the conversation recorded at the side of
the pool by anyone out of the = water.</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
</font></dd><font color="#3DB00E"></font><dd><font color="#3DB00E">Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have =
happened</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>
</dd><dd>Regards
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Derrick
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0E00">Why not check out our website to = view our
services . <a href="??.htm"><a href="http://www.DerrickMathewsCon">www.DerrickMathewsCon</a>=
sulting.co.uk</a> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D000E">"Let the choices you make today, be the
choices you can live with = tomorrow."</font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">Soon to be
2Wolves
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>Derrick Mathews Associates Consulting <br>
</dd><dd>22 = Bridge Street<br>
</dd><dd>Kilkeel
</dd><dd>Co. Down
</dd><dd>BT34 4AD
</dd><dd>Tel: + 44 (0) 560 266 2591
</dd><dd>Fax: + 44 (0) 28 4176 1162
</dd><dd>Mobile: + 44 (0) 7870 136 090
</dd><dd>E-Mail: <a href="??.htm">derrick@derrickmat= hewsconsulting.co.uk</a>
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</dd><dd>Skype: derrick.mathews
</dd><dd>You can also find me on Facebook
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Facilitation | Mentoring | Coaching | = Training
</dd><dd> Open Space Technology =
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</dd><dd>Helping Organisations to Chart their Course
</dd><dd>
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</dd><dd>
</dd></font><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0"> </font>
</dd><dd><font color="#3D0ED0">From: = OSLIST [
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
</font></dd><font color="#3D0ED0"><dd>Sent: 24 May 2009 = 02:10
</dd><dd>To:
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a></a>
</dd><dd>Subject: Anti Laws of = OST
</dd><dd>Dear All,
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>For instance.
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>“What isn’t happening are all the things that should = be”
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Or
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>“What didn’t happen are all the things that should = have”
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>As opposed to…
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or = did”
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? = J
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>Warm regards,
</dd><dd>Andrew
</dd><dd>
</dd><dd>--
</dd><dd>Andrew Rixon PhD
</dd><dd>Director
</dd><dd>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
</dd><dd>Skype: AndrewJRixon
</dd><dd>Mobile: 0400 352 809
</dd><dd>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
</dd><dd>Email: <a href="??.htm"><a href="mailto:andrew@babelfishgroup.com">andrew@babelfishgroup.com</a></a>
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