[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 30
anne stadler
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Tue Jan 26 18:26:32 PST 2021
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I too need the help Romy asked for, dear Harold. thanks!! Anne
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> 1. help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it arrives in my
> Mach Mail programme (Romy Shovelton)
> 2. Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM GMT / 12 PM EST
> :) (Tricia Chirumbole)
> 3. Re: Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM GMT / 12 PM
> EST :) (Eric Lilius)
> 4. Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken (Mark Carmel)
> 5. Re: Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken (Jeff Aitken)
> 6. Re: Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken (Jeff Aitken)
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> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 10:14:23 +0000
> From: Romy Shovelton <romy.shovelton at gmail.com>
> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> Subject: [OSList] help with the formatting of the OSLIST when it
> arrives in my Mach Mail programme
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> Hello Harold,
>
> It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who
> is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us
> once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.
>
> I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST
> arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list
> with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff?
> making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation.
>
> Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in
> wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular
> posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather
> than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST
> in the way that Suzanne does.
>
> Do you have any clues about what I might do?
>
> Thanks again SO much
>
> Romy
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> > 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)
> > 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
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> > From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kortleggur at gmail.com <mailto:kortleggur at gmail.com
> >>
> > Subject: [OSList] Being present and listen
> > Date: 24 January 2021 at 21:58:52 GMT
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
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> > Dear community
> >
> > Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the
> years.
> >
> > I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and
> High Performance event.
> >
> > If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a
> message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of group
> members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I
> will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before February
> 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.
> >
> > A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed
> how people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the
> outsider to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other
> discussions an emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of
> listening. Authentic listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and
> listening, Celan Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence
> and listening.... there were some more conversations, reaching out to
> people in bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced,
> the young. I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was
> proposed. Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to
> see a structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many
> fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or
> even in the meat space whan that is safe.
> >
> > Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing
> structure of presence for people who go to different communities for
> appreciative listening and being present for them to open space in their
> circle!
> >
> > I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is
> kortleggur at gmail.com <mailto:kortleggur at gmail.com>
> >
> > Best regards
> > K?ri Gunnarsson
> > Iceland / Taiwan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:
> r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
> > Date: 24 January 2021 at 23:26:09 GMT
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> OSLIST at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:OSLIST at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> >
> >
> > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
> be a conversation here. Best to you.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
> > Jeff,
> > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting
> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the
> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm
> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in
> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an
> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
> government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that
> they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth
> without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
> Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and cont
> rol as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply
> naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4
> four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without
> blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you
> consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you
> really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is
> not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not
> a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow
> the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey
> your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
> your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong
> and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
> truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and
> others we try to bring in the safe space....
> into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.
> > MC
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> > 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will
> > rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:
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> > Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,
> > and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your
> > truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
> Way.
> > I don't know what else to say.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of
> > > culture.
> > >
> > > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> > >
> > > The future is CLEAR
> > >
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> > > Stay Safe & Well, Tony Budak
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> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:
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> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
> > Date: 25 January 2021 at 06:27:33 GMT
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> > Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back
> to memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven
> elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I
> felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was
> literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated
> eventually to raise my voice for my values.
> >
> > My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I
> could be mistaken.
> >
> > My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my
> greatest fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested
> vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during
> all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated
> me personally from some of those troubles.
> >
> > It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics,
> and others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another.
> And maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but
> I'm not sure if that is true.
> >
> > I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I
> noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven
> had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it
> here. I don't have a clue what else to say.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
> <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may
> be a conversation here. Best to you.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
> > Jeff,
> > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting
> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the
> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm
> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in
> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an
> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
> government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that
> they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth
> without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
> Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and cont
> rol as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply
> naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4
> four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without
> blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you
> consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you
> really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is
> not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not
> a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow
> the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey
> your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
> your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong
> and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
> truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and
> others we try to bring in the safe space....
> into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.
> > MC
> >
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> > rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com <mailto:
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> > Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,
> > and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your
> > truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
> Way.
> > I don't know what else to say.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of
> > > culture.
> > >
> > > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> > >
> > > The future is CLEAR
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Stay Safe & Well, Tony Budak
> > >
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> > From: "Alexander Schilling" <alexander.schilling at raumfuer.de <mailto:
> alexander.schilling at raumfuer.de>>
> > Subject: [OSList] Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation
> > Date: 25 January 2021 at 18:21:21 GMT
> > To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> >
> >
> > Liebe Community,
> >
> > wie gut war es doch, Zeit zu in einem Open Space zu haben: einen, zwei
> oder besser noch Drei Tage. Gerade bei meinem letzten Pr?senz Open Space
> als Teilnehmer sch?tzte ich das sehr, wirklich, entspannt lange Sessions zu
> haben. Zumindest, wenn man sich in Pr?senz treffen kann.
> >
> > Online hingegen gilt: je weniger Zeit vor dem Bildschirm ben?tigt wird,
> um wirklich auf den Punkt zu kommen, desto besser. Das geht nicht nur aus
> den Feedbacks meiner Teilnehmer hervor sondern es ist auch meine Sicht. Und
> es klappt sehr gut.
> >
> > Da ich mich seit 20 Jahren auf kurze Open Spaces spezialisiert habe und
> sehr viel online Erfahrung habe, dachte ich, dass das der richtige Moment
> ist, um mein erstes Training anzubieten: Wenn Du fit in Open Space
> Moderation bist und wissen willst, wie Dir das auch Online gut gelingen
> kann, dann lie? gerne weiter. Wenn das nicht auf Dich zutrifft, dann freue
> ich mich nat?rlich ?bers Weitersagen ; )
> >
> > Herzlich aus Hamburg
> > Alexander
> >
> > WARUM DER CRASHKURS?
> >
> > Du bist bist Open Space Facilitator und brauchst eine Alternative zu
> Pr?senzveranstaltungen? Dann m?chte Dich darin unterst?tzen, dass Du online
> ein Top Event moderieren kannst. Vorteile der online Variante ist, Du bist:
> > schnell + zeitsparend: Du kannst in kurzer Zeit online Open Spaces
> aufsetzen und weniger Stunden zu eindrucksvollen Ergebnissen kommen (bis
> 70 TN, auch bis 300 TN sind mit ein wenig mehr Aufwand vergleichsweise
> schnell m?glich)
> > g?nstig: Du ersparst Dir und Deinen Kunden Logistik- und Reisekosten
> (die Technik ist g?nstig)
> > krisen- und planungs-sicher: online hast Du Planungssicherheit losgel?st
> von sich st?ndig ?ndernden Auflagen und kannst sofort mit der Arbeit
> loslegen, anstatt darauf zu warten, dass es endlich wieder so wird, wie
> fr?her
> > fokussierend: online Open Spaces f?rdern das genaue Zuh?ren und pr?zise
> Redebeitr?ge
> > ergebnisstark: selbst in sehr kurzen online-tauglichen Formaten liefern
> die Teilnehmer beeindruckende Dokumentationen
> > WIE GEHEN WIR VOR?
> > Kurz gesagt nehme ich Dich von A-Z bei der Hand und versetze Dich mit
> einem Blick ?ber die Schulter in die Lage, einen online Open Space
> aufzusetzen und durchzuf?hren, so dass er gelingt:
> > praxisorientiert: Du erlebst live, als Teilnehmer, wie ein online Open
> Space abl?uft
> > reflektierend: Du lernst in der Reflektion der Moderation die online
> spezifischen Gelingensbedingungen und Fallstricke kennen
> > nutzerorientiert: "Die Technik hat dem Menschen zu dienen und nicht
> umgekehrt" Wir nutzen daher exemplarisch zwei Plattformen, die sehr
> intuitiv nutzbar sind deren Prinzipien auf andere Plattformen ?bertragbar
> sind (VideoChat=Zoom, Zusammenarbeit=QiQoChat)
> > umsetzungsorientiert: Du bist live dabei, wie ich einen online Open
> Space von A-Z live aufsetzte, bekommst deine Fragen beantwortet und meine
> Tipps und Tricks verraten, damit Du ein Top Event machen kannst
> > WAS BEKOMMST DU KONKRET
> > 2,5 h online Open Space // Business: ein Ticket im Wert von 49? (am 9.2
> 17:30-20:00)
> > 4h Crashkurs (inkl. 30 min Pause)
> > Tickets zu 199-249? inkl. MwSt. zzgl. Geb?hren Es gibt ein limitiertes
> Kontingent an Fr?hbuchertickets
> > Warum mit Alexander Schilling
> > Kurz, knackig, substanziell. Das geht online besonders gut! Ich habe
> mich seit 2004 vor allem auf kurze, effiziente Open Space Formate
> konzentriert und diese gut 100x moderiert und verfeinert. Als Webdesigner
> bin ich Internetbewohner und der ersten Stunde moderiere meine Workshops
> seit Jahren online. Meine Erfahrung: Du kannst selbst in 2,5-3,5 Stunden
> bereits sehr gute Ergebnisse erzielen!
> >
> > JETZT INFORMIEREN + ANMELDEN UNTER
> > http://bit.ly/CrashkursOS <http://bit.ly/CrashkursOS>
> > --------------------<--------{@
> > Alexander Schilling
> > Open Space Moderator
> > Fon +49 40 32 84 51 16
> > Mob +49 177 7531168
> > https://open-space-moderator.de <https://open-space-moderator.de/>
> > www.twitter.com/openspacemode <http://www.twitter.com/openspacemode>
> > Osterfelddeich 162 | D-21129 Hamburg
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 08:50:17 -0500
> From: Tricia Chirumbole <trchirumbole at gmail.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM GMT /
> 12 PM EST :)
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> Hi all!
>
>
> Last minute invite to the Open Space Hotline! Convening this *Tuesday
> January 26 @ 5PM GMT / **12PM EST*
>
>
> Are you involved in opening space. Are you interested in Open Space
> Technology?
>
> It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive
> whatever is alive for you right now.
>
> The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised.
>
> *Join the emergent conversation...*
>
>
> from PC, Mac, iOS or Android:
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:01:50 -0500 (EST)
> From: Eric Lilius <elilius at halhinet.on.ca>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM
> GMT / 12 PM EST :)
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> Would love to come but my partner has another ZOOM meeting with paid
> consultants.
> Our rural bandwidth does not support the two of us on at the same time.
> Next week.
>
>
> From: "World wide Open Space Technology email list" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: "World wide Open Space Technology email list" <
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> Cc: "Tricia Chirumbole" <trchirumbole at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:50:17 AM
> Subject: [OSList] Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM GMT / 12
> PM EST :)
>
>
>
> Hi all!
>
>
>
>
> Last minute invite to the Open Space Hotline! Convening this Tuesday
> January 26 @ 5PM GMT / 12PM EST
>
>
>
>
> Are you involved in opening space. Are you interested in Open Space
> Technology?
>
>
>
> It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive
> whatever is alive for you right now.
>
>
>
> The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised.
>
>
> Join the emergent conversation...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: [
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09
> | https://us02web.zoom.us/j/751609912?pwd=QmZCYUNrYTU4Y2ZrWHVFTzVTcTMvUT09?
> ]
>
>
>
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> Eric Lilius
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> May it come forward as
> Ever more skillful methods
> Of wisdom and joy.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:43:19 -0700
> From: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com>
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> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken
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> Thanks for your reply Jeff. However, you missed my points entirely. I was
> referring to how the four fold way don't work in the real world and what we
> as open space facilitators must do in my opinion to follow the new law of
> leadership loyalty.
> All the best to you also,
> MC
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:16 PM <oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org>
> wrote:
>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)
> > 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
> > Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
> > 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:58:52 +0800
> > From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kortleggur at gmail.com>
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > Subject: [OSList] Being present and listen
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> >
> > Dear community
> >
> > Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the
> > years.
> >
> > I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and
> > High Performance event.
> >
> > If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a
> > message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of
> group
> > members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I
> > will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before
> February
> > 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.
> >
> > A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how
> > people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the
> outsider
> > to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions
> an
> > emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening.
> Authentic
> > listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan
> > Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and
> > listening.... there were some more conversations, reaching out to people
> in
> > bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the
> young.
> > I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was proposed.
> > Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a
> > structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many
> > fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or
> > even in the meat space whan that is safe.
> >
> > Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing
> structure
> > of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative
> > listening and being present for them to open space in their circle!
> >
> > I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is
> > kortleggur at gmail.com
> >
> > *Best regards*
> > *K?ri Gunnarsson*
> >
> > *Iceland / Taiwan*
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:26:09 -0800
> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > <OSLIST at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
> > Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
> > Message-ID:
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> >
> > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
> > sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it
> may
> > be a conversation here. Best to you.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ...
> predicting
> > > the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to
> > the
> > > bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> > > ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful
> > warm
> > > and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced
> in
> > > the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> > > leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of
> an
> > > election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
> > > power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
> > > government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now
> > that
> > > they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth
> > > without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
> > > Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> > > judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
> > > witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one
> > observes
> > > real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
> > > regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or
> judgment,
> > > Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided
> > > America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think
> that
> > > the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
> > > Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality
> if
> > > one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party
> > > line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
> > > leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
> your
> > > leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and
> > > what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
> truth.
> > > Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others
> we
> > > try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have
> > changed.
> > > And rules is rules.
> > > MC
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
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> > >>
> > >> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will
> > >> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
> > >> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
> > >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > >> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and
> > >> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom
> > >> Message-ID:
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> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >>
> > >> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say
> that,
> > >> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak
> your
> > >> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
> > >> Way.
> > >> I don't know what else to say.
> > >>
> > >> Jeff
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> > >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change
> of
> > >> > culture.
> > >> >
> > >> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The future is CLEAR
> > >> >
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> > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:27:33 -0800
> > From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
> > Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
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> > Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to
> > memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven
> > elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I
> > felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was
> > literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated
> > eventually to raise my voice for my values.
> >
> > My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I
> > could be mistaken.
> >
> > My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest
> > fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested
> > vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades
> (during
> > all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors
> insulated
> > me personally from some of those troubles.
> >
> > It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and
> > others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another.
> And
> > maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm
> > not sure if that is true.
> >
> > I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I
> > noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those
> seven
> > had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express
> it
> > here. I don't have a clue what else to say.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have
> been
> > > sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it
> > may
> > > be a conversation here. Best to you.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> > > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jeff,
> > >> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ...
> predicting
> > >> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go
> to
> > the
> > >> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
> > >> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful
> > warm
> > >> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced
> > in
> > >> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
> > >> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of
> an
> > >> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats
> of
> > >> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the
> entire
> > >> government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now
> > that
> > >> they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their
> truth
> > >> without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
> > >> Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
> > >> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
> > >> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one
> > observes
> > >> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
> > >> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or
> > judgment,
> > >> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how
> divided
> > >> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think
> that
> > >> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
> > >> Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality
> > if
> > >> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the
> party
> > >> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
> > >> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
> your
> > >> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong
> and
> > >> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
> truth.
> > >> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others
> > we
> > >> try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have
> > changed.
> > >> And rules is rules.
> > >> MC
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
> >
> > >> wrote:
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> > >>> Message: 1
> > >>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
> > >>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
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> > >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and
> > >>> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom
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> > >>>
> > >>> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say
> > that,
> > >>> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak
> > your
> > >>> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the
> Fourfold
> > >>> Way.
> > >>> I don't know what else to say.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
> > >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change
> > of
> > >>> > culture.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > The future is CLEAR
> > >>> >
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