[OSList] Reply Number Two to Jeff Aitken
Jeff Aitken
r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
Tue Jan 26 11:44:50 PST 2021
Mark, I know you are saying that it can't be done here. I hope to not be
missing your point again. Anyway, am appreciating the exchange.
On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 11:33 AM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Mark. Yes i took an odd tangent, which my friends will know is
> typical for me...
>
> Thanks for clarifying and for posting your deep concerns in more detail.
>
> Working with an open space approach in a large and polarized country in a
> most challenging time: issues and opportunities... ?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021, 10:43 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply Jeff. However, you missed my points entirely. I was
>> referring to how the four fold way don't work in the real world and what we
>> as open space facilitators must do in my opinion to follow the new law of
>> leadership loyalty.
>> All the best to you also,
>> MC
>>
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>>> 1. Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)
>>> 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
>>> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>> 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It
>>> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)
>>> 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)
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>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 05:58:52 +0800
>>> From: K?ri Gunnarsson <kortleggur at gmail.com>
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>>> Dear community
>>>
>>> Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and
>>> High Performance event.
>>>
>>> If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a
>>> message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of
>>> group
>>> members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I
>>> will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before
>>> February
>>> 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.
>>>
>>> A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how
>>> people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the
>>> outsider
>>> to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions
>>> an
>>> emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening.
>>> Authentic
>>> listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan
>>> Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and
>>> listening.... there were some more conversations, reaching out to people
>>> in
>>> bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the
>>> young.
>>> I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was proposed.
>>> Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a
>>> structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many
>>> fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or
>>> even in the meat space whan that is safe.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing
>>> structure
>>> of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative
>>> listening and being present for them to open space in their circle!
>>>
>>> I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is
>>> kortleggur at gmail.com
>>>
>>> *Best regards*
>>> *K?ri Gunnarsson*
>>>
>>> *Iceland / Taiwan*
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>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 15:26:09 -0800
>>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
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>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of
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>>> Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been
>>> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it
>>> may
>>> be a conversation here. Best to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Jeff,
>>> > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ...
>>> predicting
>>> > the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go
>>> to the
>>> > bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
>>> > ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful
>>> warm
>>> > and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced
>>> in
>>> > the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
>>> > leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of
>>> an
>>> > election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of
>>> > power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire
>>> > government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now
>>> that
>>> > they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth
>>> > without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
>>> > Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
>>> > judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
>>> > witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one
>>> observes
>>> > real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
>>> > regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or
>>> judgment,
>>> > Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided
>>> > America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think
>>> that
>>> > the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
>>> > Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality
>>> if
>>> > one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party
>>> > line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
>>> > leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
>>> your
>>> > leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and
>>> > what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
>>> truth.
>>> > Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others
>>> we
>>> > try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have
>>> changed.
>>> > And rules is rules.
>>> > MC
>>> >
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>>> >> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will
>>> >> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)
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>>> >> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
>>> >> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
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>>> >> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say
>>> that,
>>> >> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak
>>> your
>>> >> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold
>>> >> Way.
>>> >> I don't know what else to say.
>>> >>
>>> >> Jeff
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
>>> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change
>>> of
>>> >> > culture.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The future is CLEAR
>>> >> >
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>>> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:27:33 -0800
>>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
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>>> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...
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>>> Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to
>>> memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven
>>> elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I
>>> felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was
>>> literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated
>>> eventually to raise my voice for my values.
>>>
>>> My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I
>>> could be mistaken.
>>>
>>> My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest
>>> fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested
>>> vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades
>>> (during
>>> all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors
>>> insulated
>>> me personally from some of those troubles.
>>>
>>> It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and
>>> others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another.
>>> And
>>> maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm
>>> not sure if that is true.
>>>
>>> I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I
>>> noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those
>>> seven
>>> had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express
>>> it
>>> here. I don't have a clue what else to say.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have
>>> been
>>> > sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it
>>> may
>>> > be a conversation here. Best to you.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
>>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Jeff,
>>> >> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ...
>>> predicting
>>> >> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go
>>> to the
>>> >> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to
>>> >> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful
>>> warm
>>> >> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not
>>> practiced in
>>> >> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of
>>> >> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of
>>> an
>>> >> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats
>>> of
>>> >> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the
>>> entire
>>> >> government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth
>>> (now that
>>> >> they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their
>>> truth
>>> >> without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear
>>> >> Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of
>>> >> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just
>>> >> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one
>>> observes
>>> >> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes
>>> >> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or
>>> judgment,
>>> >> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how
>>> divided
>>> >> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think
>>> that
>>> >> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth
>>> >> Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a
>>> reality if
>>> >> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the
>>> party
>>> >> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your
>>> >> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with
>>> your
>>> >> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong
>>> and
>>> >> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE
>>> truth.
>>> >> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and
>>> others we
>>> >> try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have
>>> changed.
>>> >> And rules is rules.
>>> >> MC
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
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>>> >>> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will
>>> >>> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >>> Message: 1
>>> >>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800
>>> >>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>>> >>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
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>>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and
>>> >>> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom
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>>> >>> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say
>>> that,
>>> >>> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak
>>> your
>>> >>> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the
>>> Fourfold
>>> >>> Way.
>>> >>> I don't know what else to say.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jeff
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <
>>> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a
>>> change of
>>> >>> > culture.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > The future is CLEAR
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > _______________________________________________
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>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> > Stay Safe & Well, Tony Budak
>>> >>> >
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 19:21:21 +0100
>>> From: "Alexander Schilling" <alexander.schilling at raumfuer.de>
>>> To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> Subject: [OSList] Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation
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>>> Liebe Community,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wie gut war es doch, Zeit zu in einem Open Space zu haben: einen, zwei
>>> oder besser noch Drei Tage. Gerade bei meinem letzten Pr?senz Open Space
>>> als Teilnehmer sch?tzte ich das sehr, wirklich, entspannt lange Sessions zu
>>> haben. Zumindest, wenn man sich in Pr?senz treffen kann.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Online hingegen gilt: je weniger Zeit vor dem Bildschirm ben?tigt wird,
>>> um wirklich auf den Punkt zu kommen, desto besser. Das geht nicht nur aus
>>> den Feedbacks meiner Teilnehmer hervor sondern es ist auch meine Sicht. Und
>>> es klappt sehr gut.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Da ich mich seit 20 Jahren auf kurze Open Spaces spezialisiert habe und
>>> sehr viel online Erfahrung habe, dachte ich, dass das der richtige Moment
>>> ist, um mein erstes Training anzubieten: Wenn Du fit in Open Space
>>> Moderation bist und wissen willst, wie Dir das auch Online gut gelingen
>>> kann, dann lie? gerne weiter. Wenn das nicht auf Dich zutrifft, dann freue
>>> ich mich nat?rlich ?bers Weitersagen ; )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herzlich aus Hamburg
>>>
>>> Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WARUM DER CRASHKURS?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Du bist bist Open Space Facilitator und brauchst eine Alternative zu
>>> Pr?senzveranstaltungen? Dann m?chte Dich darin unterst?tzen, dass Du online
>>> ein Top Event moderieren kannst. Vorteile der online Variante ist, Du bist:
>>>
>>> * schnell + zeitsparend: Du kannst in kurzer Zeit online Open
>>> Spaces aufsetzen und weniger Stunden zu eindrucksvollen Ergebnissen kommen
>>> (bis 70 TN, auch bis 300 TN sind mit ein wenig mehr Aufwand vergleichsweise
>>> schnell m?glich)
>>> * g?nstig: Du ersparst Dir und Deinen Kunden Logistik- und
>>> Reisekosten (die Technik ist g?nstig)
>>> * krisen- und planungs-sicher: online hast Du Planungssicherheit
>>> losgel?st von sich st?ndig ?ndernden Auflagen und kannst sofort mit der
>>> Arbeit loslegen, anstatt darauf zu warten, dass es endlich wieder so wird,
>>> wie fr?her
>>> * fokussierend: online Open Spaces f?rdern das genaue Zuh?ren und
>>> pr?zise Redebeitr?ge
>>> * ergebnisstark: selbst in sehr kurzen online-tauglichen Formaten
>>> liefern die Teilnehmer beeindruckende Dokumentationen
>>>
>>> WIE GEHEN WIR VOR?
>>>
>>> Kurz gesagt nehme ich Dich von A-Z bei der Hand und versetze Dich mit
>>> einem Blick ?ber die Schulter in die Lage, einen online Open Space
>>> aufzusetzen und durchzuf?hren, so dass er gelingt:
>>>
>>> * praxisorientiert: Du erlebst live, als Teilnehmer, wie ein
>>> online Open Space abl?uft
>>> * reflektierend: Du lernst in der Reflektion der Moderation die
>>> online spezifischen Gelingensbedingungen und Fallstricke kennen
>>> * nutzerorientiert: "Die Technik hat dem Menschen zu dienen und
>>> nicht umgekehrt" Wir nutzen daher exemplarisch zwei Plattformen, die sehr
>>> intuitiv nutzbar sind deren Prinzipien auf andere Plattformen ?bertragbar
>>> sind (VideoChat=Zoom, Zusammenarbeit=QiQoChat)
>>> * umsetzungsorientiert: Du bist live dabei, wie ich einen online
>>> Open Space von A-Z live aufsetzte, bekommst deine Fragen beantwortet und
>>> meine Tipps und Tricks verraten, damit Du ein Top Event machen kannst
>>>
>>> WAS BEKOMMST DU KONKRET
>>>
>>> * 2,5 h online Open Space // Business: ein Ticket im Wert von 49?
>>> (am 9.2 17:30-20:00)
>>> * 4h Crashkurs (inkl. 30 min Pause)
>>> * Tickets zu 199-249? inkl. MwSt. zzgl. Geb?hren Es gibt ein
>>> limitiertes Kontingent an Fr?hbuchertickets
>>>
>>> Warum mit Alexander Schilling
>>>
>>> Kurz, knackig, substanziell. Das geht online besonders gut! Ich habe
>>> mich seit 2004 vor allem auf kurze, effiziente Open Space Formate
>>> konzentriert und diese gut 100x moderiert und verfeinert. Als Webdesigner
>>> bin ich Internetbewohner und der ersten Stunde moderiere meine Workshops
>>> seit Jahren online. Meine Erfahrung: Du kannst selbst in 2,5-3,5 Stunden
>>> bereits sehr gute Ergebnisse erzielen!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JETZT INFORMIEREN + ANMELDEN UNTER
>>>
>>> http://bit.ly/CrashkursOS
>>>
>>> --------------------<--------{@
>>>
>>> Alexander Schilling
>>> Open Space Moderator
>>>
>>> Fon +49 40 32 84 51 16
>>> Mob +49 177 7531168
>>>
>>> <https://open-space-moderator.de/> https://open-space-moderator.de
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/openspacemode> www.twitter.com/openspacemode
>>>
>>> Osterfelddeich 162 | D-21129 Hamburg
>>>
>>>
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