<div dir="auto">F’ormatting OS List</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I too need the help Romy asked for, dear Harold. thanks!! Anne</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 6:21 PM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br>
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2. Open Space Hotline - TODAY! Tues 26 Jan. 5 PM GMT / 12 PM EST<br>
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From: Romy Shovelton <<a href="mailto:romy.shovelton@gmail.com" target="_blank">romy.shovelton@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hello Harold, <br>
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It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST? and with us once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.<br>
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I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below?. I receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff? making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation. <br>
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Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does.<br>
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Do you have any clues about what I might do?<br>
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Thanks again SO much<br>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...<br>
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> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and cont<br>
rol as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we try to bring in the safe space.... <br>
into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.<br>
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> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,<br>
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> Date: 25 January 2021 at 06:27:33 GMT<br>
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> Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated eventually to raise my voice for my values.<br>
> <br>
> My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I could be mistaken. <br>
> <br>
> My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated me personally from some of those troubles. <br>
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> It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another. And maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm not sure if that is true.<br>
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> I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it here. I don't have a clue what else to say.<br>
> <br>
> Jeff<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may be a conversation here. Best to you.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Jeff,<br>
> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and cont<br>
rol as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we try to bring in the safe space.... <br>
into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.<br>
> MC<br>
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> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,<br>
> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your<br>
> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold Way.<br>
> I don't know what else to say.<br>
> <br>
> Jeff<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <<br>
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> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of<br>
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> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br>
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> > The future is CLEAR<br>
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> Subject: [OSList] Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation<br>
> Date: 25 January 2021 at 18:21:21 GMT<br>
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> Liebe Community,<br>
> <br>
> wie gut war es doch, Zeit zu in einem Open Space zu haben: einen, zwei oder besser noch Drei Tage. Gerade bei meinem letzten Pr?senz Open Space als Teilnehmer sch?tzte ich das sehr, wirklich, entspannt lange Sessions zu haben. Zumindest, wenn man sich in Pr?senz treffen kann.<br>
> <br>
> Online hingegen gilt: je weniger Zeit vor dem Bildschirm ben?tigt wird, um wirklich auf den Punkt zu kommen, desto besser. Das geht nicht nur aus den Feedbacks meiner Teilnehmer hervor sondern es ist auch meine Sicht. Und es klappt sehr gut.<br>
> <br>
> Da ich mich seit 20 Jahren auf kurze Open Spaces spezialisiert habe und sehr viel online Erfahrung habe, dachte ich, dass das der richtige Moment ist, um mein erstes Training anzubieten: Wenn Du fit in Open Space Moderation bist und wissen willst, wie Dir das auch Online gut gelingen kann, dann lie? gerne weiter. Wenn das nicht auf Dich zutrifft, dann freue ich mich nat?rlich ?bers Weitersagen ; ) <br>
> <br>
> Herzlich aus Hamburg<br>
> Alexander<br>
> <br>
> WARUM DER CRASHKURS?<br>
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> Du bist bist Open Space Facilitator und brauchst eine Alternative zu Pr?senzveranstaltungen? Dann m?chte Dich darin unterst?tzen, dass Du online ein Top Event moderieren kannst. Vorteile der online Variante ist, Du bist:<br>
> schnell + zeitsparend: Du kannst in kurzer Zeit online Open Spaces aufsetzen und weniger Stunden zu eindrucksvollen Ergebnissen kommen (bis 70 TN, auch bis 300 TN sind mit ein wenig mehr Aufwand vergleichsweise schnell m?glich)<br>
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> fokussierend: online Open Spaces f?rdern das genaue Zuh?ren und pr?zise Redebeitr?ge<br>
> ergebnisstark: selbst in sehr kurzen online-tauglichen Formaten liefern die Teilnehmer beeindruckende Dokumentationen<br>
> WIE GEHEN WIR VOR?<br>
> Kurz gesagt nehme ich Dich von A-Z bei der Hand und versetze Dich mit einem Blick ?ber die Schulter in die Lage, einen online Open Space aufzusetzen und durchzuf?hren, so dass er gelingt:<br>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:01:50 -0500 (EST)<br>
From: Eric Lilius <<a href="mailto:elilius@halhinet.on.ca" target="_blank">elilius@halhinet.on.ca</a>><br>
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Would love to come but my partner has another ZOOM meeting with paid consultants. <br>
Our rural bandwidth does not support the two of us on at the same time. <br>
Next week. <br>
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Hi all! <br>
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Last minute invite to the Open Space Hotline! Convening this Tuesday January 26 @ 5PM GMT / 12PM EST <br>
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Are you involved in opening space. Are you interested in Open Space Technology? <br>
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It's not quite an Open Space event, but it is a space open to receive whatever is alive for you right now. <br>
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The invitation is to share, listen, inquire, and be open to be surprised. <br>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 11:43:19 -0700<br>
From: Mark Carmel <<a href="mailto:markacarmel@gmail.com" target="_blank">markacarmel@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Thanks for your reply Jeff. However, you missed my points entirely. I was<br>
referring to how the four fold way don't work in the real world and what we<br>
as open space facilitators must do in my opinion to follow the new law of<br>
leadership loyalty.<br>
All the best to you also,<br>
MC<br>
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> Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the<br>
> years.<br>
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> I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the Peace and<br>
> High Performance event.<br>
><br>
> If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a<br>
> message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of group<br>
> members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I<br>
> will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before February<br>
> 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.<br>
><br>
> A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how<br>
> people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the outsider<br>
> to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions an<br>
> emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening. Authentic<br>
> listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan<br>
> Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and<br>
> listening.... there were some more conversations, reaching out to people in<br>
> bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the young.<br>
> I posted a question on structure. Sociocracy as a structure was proposed.<br>
> Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a<br>
> structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many<br>
> fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or<br>
> even in the meat space whan that is safe.<br>
><br>
> Anyhow, we are now putting together a group to build an embracing structure<br>
> of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative<br>
> listening and being present for them to open space in their circle!<br>
><br>
> I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is<br>
> <a href="mailto:kortleggur@gmail.com" target="_blank">kortleggur@gmail.com</a><br>
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> Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been<br>
> sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may<br>
> be a conversation here. Best to you.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<br>
> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > Jeff,<br>
> > Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting<br>
> > the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to<br>
> the<br>
> > bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to<br>
> > ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful<br>
> warm<br>
> > and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in<br>
> > the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of<br>
> > leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an<br>
> > election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of<br>
> > power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire<br>
> > government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now<br>
> that<br>
> > they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth<br>
> > without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear<br>
> > Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of<br>
> > judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just<br>
> > witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one<br>
> observes<br>
> > real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes<br>
> > regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment,<br>
> > Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided<br>
> > America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that<br>
> > the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth<br>
> > Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if<br>
> > one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party<br>
> > line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your<br>
> > leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your<br>
> > leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and<br>
> > what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth.<br>
> > Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we<br>
> > try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have<br>
> changed.<br>
> > And rules is rules.<br>
> > MC<br>
> ><br>
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> >> From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>
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> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and<br>
> >> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom<br>
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> >> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your<br>
> >> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold<br>
> >> Way.<br>
> >> I don't know what else to say.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Jeff<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <<br>
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> >> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of<br>
> >> > culture.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br>
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> >> > The future is CLEAR<br>
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> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:27:33 -0800<br>
> From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of<br>
> Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...<br>
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> Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to<br>
> memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven<br>
> elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I<br>
> felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was<br>
> literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated<br>
> eventually to raise my voice for my values.<br>
><br>
> My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I<br>
> could be mistaken.<br>
><br>
> My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest<br>
> fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested<br>
> vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during<br>
> all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated<br>
> me personally from some of those troubles.<br>
><br>
> It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and<br>
> others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another. And<br>
> maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm<br>
> not sure if that is true.<br>
><br>
> I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I<br>
> noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven<br>
> had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it<br>
> here. I don't have a clue what else to say.<br>
><br>
> Jeff<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been<br>
> > sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it<br>
> may<br>
> > be a conversation here. Best to you.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<br>
> > <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Jeff,<br>
> >> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting<br>
> >> the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to<br>
> the<br>
> >> bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to<br>
> >> ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful<br>
> warm<br>
> >> and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced<br>
> in<br>
> >> the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of<br>
> >> leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an<br>
> >> election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of<br>
> >> power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire<br>
> >> government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now<br>
> that<br>
> >> they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth<br>
> >> without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear<br>
> >> Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of<br>
> >> judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just<br>
> >> witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one<br>
> observes<br>
> >> real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes<br>
> >> regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or<br>
> judgment,<br>
> >> Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided<br>
> >> America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that<br>
> >> the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth<br>
> >> Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality<br>
> if<br>
> >> one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party<br>
> >> line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your<br>
> >> leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your<br>
> >> leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and<br>
> >> what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth.<br>
> >> Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others<br>
> we<br>
> >> try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have<br>
> changed.<br>
> >> And rules is rules.<br>
> >> MC<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br>
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> >>> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800<br>
> >>> From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" target="_blank">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br>
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> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and<br>
> >>> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom<br>
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> >>> Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say<br>
> that,<br>
> >>> and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak<br>
> your<br>
> >>> truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold<br>
> >>> Way.<br>
> >>> I don't know what else to say.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Jeff<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> > I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change<br>
> of<br>
> >>> > culture.<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br>
> >>> ><br>
> >>> > The future is CLEAR<br>
> >>> ><br>
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