<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Harold, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It was SO lovely to see you and be with you at the weekend. The person who is behind so much work to keep us all in touch via the OSLIST… and with us once again, helping with all sorts of technical magic. Thanks again.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I wonder if you might be able to help me with the way that the OSLIST arrives into my Mach Mail programme? As you see below…. I receive this list with duplicates of conversations through it + lots of other general stuff… making it hard to pick out the thread of a conversation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Suzanne showed me how she receives OSLIST in her gmail account - in wonderfully clear threads, where you can see responses to a particular posting, and not extraneous bla bla. I tried logging into gmail, rather than my Mach Mail programme, and unfortunately did not receive the OSLIST in the way that Suzanne does.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Do you have any clues about what I might do?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks again SO much</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Romy</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" class="">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">OSList Digest, Vol 117, Issue 29</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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Being present and listen (K?ri Gunnarsson)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> 2. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> 3. Re: Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> Ain't Working Brother... (Jeff Aitken)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""> 4. Kurs f?r Online Open Space Facilitation (Alexander Schilling)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Kári Gunnarsson <<a href="mailto:kortleggur@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kortleggur@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">[OSList] Being present and listen</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">24 January 2021 at 21:58:52 GMT<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="ltr" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Dear community<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thank you all for all the wonderful moments that we have shared over the years.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am following up on an action I felt inspired to call at the <span style="font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Peace and High Performance</span> event. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you are interested in the following, then I Invite you to send me a message and let me know, If you want to be added to a public list of group members, I will do so, otherwise I can keep your participation private. I will send an email to people who have asked to be signed up before February 1st looking for a time to open discussion on zoom or similar platform.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A story from the event: I posted a Question on youth and we discussed how people open space for their peers, it's not really the job of the outsider to come in and tell the Others what to do. After many other discussions an emerging theme was apparent to me, it was the theme of listening. Authentic listening, Deep listening, Appreciative inquiry and listening, Celan Language and listening, Open Space and listening, Presence and listening.... there were some more conversations, reaching out to people in bubbles. crossing divides, being present for the inexperienced, the young. I posted a question on structure. <span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">Sociocracy as a structure was proposed. Well, some of us want to continue this conversation. We want to see a structure that is there for people reaching out to people in the many fragmented communities and listen, be it online in one form or another or even in the meat space whan that is safe. </span> </div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyhow, we are now putting together <span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Roboto, RobotoDraft, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; white-space: pre-wrap;" class="">a group to build an embracing structure of presence for people who go to different communities for appreciative listening and being present for them to open space in their circle! </span> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am looking forward to your reply, my email address is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kortleggur@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">kortleggur@gmail.com</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><i class="">Best regards</i></div><div class=""><i class="">Kári Gunnarsson</i></div><div class=""><i class="">Iceland / Taiwan<br class=""></i></div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><i style="font-size: 12.8px;" class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><i style="font-size: 12.8px;" class=""><br class=""></i></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [OSList] Reply to Jeff Aitken on Four Fold Way of Leadership... It Ain't Working Brother...</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">24 January 2021 at 23:26:09 GMT<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:OSLIST@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">OSLIST@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may be a conversation here. Best to you.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Jeff,</div><div dir="auto" class=""> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.</div><div dir="auto" class="">MC</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will<br class=""> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800<br class="">From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class="">Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and<br class=""> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""> <CANNDQebBLGYeLZ_+5T4XVn9TmgAA1=<a href="mailto:nb6q-8K44NFf89%2By1c9Q@mail.gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nb6q-8K44NFf89+y1c9Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,<br class="">and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your<br class="">truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold Way.<br class="">I don't know what else to say.<br class=""><br class="">Jeff<br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <<br class=""><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">> I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of<br class="">> culture.<br class="">><br class="">> On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> The future is CLEAR<br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> OSList mailing list<br class="">> To post send emails to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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It Ain't Working Brother...</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">25 January 2021 at 06:27:33 GMT<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:OSLIST@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">OSLIST@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div dir="auto" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated eventually to raise my voice for my values.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I could be mistaken. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated me personally from some of those troubles. <div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another. And maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm not sure if that is true.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it here. I don't have a clue what else to say.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Jeff</div></div></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class="">Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may be a conversation here. Best to you.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Jeff,</div><div dir="auto" class=""> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.</div><div dir="auto" class="">MC</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a><br class="">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">You can reach the person managing the list at<br class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist-owner@lists.openspacetech.org</a><br class=""><br class="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br class="">than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..."<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Today's Topics:<br class=""><br class=""> 1. Re: Predicting the future...tow the party line and you will<br class=""> rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom (Jeff Aitken)<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br class=""><br class="">Message: 1<br class="">Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:56:01 -0800<br class="">From: Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>><br class="">To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<br class=""> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class="">Subject: Re: [OSList] Predicting the future...tow the party line and<br class=""> you will rise to the top, disobey and you go to the bottom<br class="">Message-ID:<br class=""> <CANNDQebBLGYeLZ_+5T4XVn9TmgAA1=<a href="mailto:nb6q-8K44NFf89%2By1c9Q@mail.gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nb6q-8K44NFf89+y1c9Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br class="">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br class=""><br class="">Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,<br class="">and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your<br class="">truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold Way.<br class="">I don't know what else to say.<br class=""><br class="">Jeff<br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jan 21, 2021, 9:08 PM Tony Budak via OSList <<br class=""><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">> I prefer to tow a parallel line of conversation leading to a change of<br class="">> culture.<br class="">><br class="">> On 1/21/2021 9:15 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> The future is CLEAR<br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> OSList mailing list<br class="">> To post send emails to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Alexander Schilling" <<a href="mailto:alexander.schilling@raumfuer.de" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">alexander.schilling@raumfuer.de</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">[OSList] Kurs für Online Open Space Facilitation</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">25 January 2021 at 18:21:21 GMT<br class=""></span></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127);" class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><br class=""></span></div><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TrebuchetMS; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Liebe Community,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">wie gut war es doch, Zeit zu in einem Open Space zu haben: einen, zwei oder besser noch Drei Tage. Gerade bei meinem letzten Präsenz Open Space als Teilnehmer schätzte ich das sehr, wirklich, entspannt lange Sessions zu haben. Zumindest, wenn man sich in Präsenz treffen kann.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Online hingegen gilt: je weniger Zeit vor dem Bildschirm benötigt wird, um wirklich auf den Punkt zu kommen, desto besser. Das geht nicht nur aus den Feedbacks meiner Teilnehmer hervor sondern es ist auch meine Sicht. Und es klappt sehr gut.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Da ich mich seit 20 Jahren auf kurze Open Spaces spezialisiert habe und sehr viel online Erfahrung habe, dachte ich, dass das der richtige Moment ist, um mein erstes Training anzubieten: Wenn Du fit in Open Space Moderation bist und wissen willst, wie Dir das auch Online gut gelingen kann, dann ließ gerne weiter. Wenn das nicht auf Dich zutrifft, dann freue ich mich natürlich übers Weitersagen ; )<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Herzlich aus Hamburg<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Alexander<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">WARUM DER CRASHKURS?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Du bist bist Open Space Facilitator und brauchst eine Alternative zu Präsenzveranstaltungen?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Dann möchte Dich darin unterstützen, dass Du online ein Top Event moderieren kannst.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Vorteile der online Variante ist, Du bist:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">schnell + zeitsparend:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Du kannst in kurzer Zeit online Open Spaces aufsetzen und weniger Stunden zu eindrucksvollen Ergebnissen kommen (bis 70 TN, auch bis 300 TN sind mit ein wenig mehr Aufwand vergleichsweise schnell möglich)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">günstig:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Du ersparst Dir und Deinen Kunden Logistik- und Reisekosten (die Technik ist günstig)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">krisen- und planungs-sicher:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>online hast Du Planungssicherheit losgelöst von sich ständig ändernden Auflagen und kannst sofort mit der Arbeit loslegen, anstatt darauf zu warten, dass es endlich wieder so wird, wie früher<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">fokussierend: </b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>online Open Spaces fördern das genaue Zuhören und präzise Redebeiträge<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">ergebnisstark:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>selbst in sehr kurzen online-tauglichen Formaten liefern die Teilnehmer beeindruckende Dokumentationen<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">WIE GEHEN WIR VOR?</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kurz gesagt nehme ich Dich von A-Z bei der Hand und versetze Dich mit einem Blick über die Schulter in die Lage, einen online Open Space aufzusetzen und durchzuführen, so dass er gelingt<b class="">:</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">praxisorientiert:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Du erlebst live, als Teilnehmer, wie ein online Open Space abläuft<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">reflektierend:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Du lernst in der Reflektion der Moderation die online spezifischen Gelingensbedingungen und Fallstricke kennen<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">nutzerorientiert:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Die Technik hat dem Menschen zu dienen und nicht umgekehrt" Wir nutzen daher exemplarisch zwei Plattformen, die sehr intuitiv nutzbar sind deren Prinzipien auf andere Plattformen übertragbar sind (VideoChat=Zoom, Zusammenarbeit=QiQoChat)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">umsetzungsorientiert:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Du bist live dabei, wie ich einen online Open Space von A-Z live aufsetzte, bekommst deine Fragen beantwortet und meine Tipps und Tricks verraten, damit Du ein Top Event machen kannst<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">WAS BEKOMMST DU KONKRET</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">2,5 h online Open Space</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>// Business: ein Ticket im Wert von 49€ (am 9.2 17:30-20:00)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">4h Crashkurs<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>(inkl. 30 min Pause)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">Tickets zu 199-249€ inkl. MwSt. zzgl. Gebühren<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Es gibt ein limitiertes Kontingent an Frühbuchertickets<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Warum mit Alexander Schilling</b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Kurz, knackig, substanziell. Das geht online besonders gut!</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ich habe mich seit 2004 vor allem auf<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">kurze, effiziente Open Space Formate konzentriert<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>und diese gut 100x moderiert und verfeinert<b class="">.</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Als Webdesigner bin ich Internetbewohner und der ersten Stunde moderiere meine Workshops seit Jahren online.<b class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Meine Erfahrung: Du kannst selbst in 2,5-3,5 Stunden bereits sehr gute Ergebnisse erzielen<b class="">!<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">JETZT INFORMIEREN + ANMELDEN UNTER<o:p class=""></o:p></b></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><a href="http://bit.ly/CrashkursOS" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://bit.ly/CrashkursOS</a></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">--------------------<--------{@<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">Alexander Schilling<br class="">Open Space Moderator<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">Fon +49 40 32 84 51 16<br class="">Mob +49 177 7531168<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class=""><a href="https://open-space-moderator.de/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">https://open-space-moderator.de</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class=""><br class=""></span><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class=""><a href="http://www.twitter.com/openspacemode" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">www.twitter.com/openspacemode</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(47, 84, 150);" class="">Osterfelddeich 162 | D-21129 Hamburg<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; 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