[OSList] Swarmwise; how to organise community like a Wave Riding Pirate

Thu Oct 16 08:04:24 PDT 2014

>From the book: "... you can say that everybody has the power of veto for
decisions [...] However, it only works well for smaller subgroups (30
or less people).  ..."

The book also talks a lot about is the consensus circle

THE MAGIC OF THE CONSENSUS CIRCLE

One good mechanism for arriving at a decision in a (defined) group
is called a consensus circle. ... p. 165

On 16 October 2014 13:07, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
>
> "Consensus by veto" means anything that is not vetoed is treated as
> consensus.  The occupy movement made decisions this way.  People could give
> several hand signals to indicate their sentiment when someone else was
> talking without having to talk over them.  Here's a list on Wikipedia of Occupy
> movement's and signals
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement_hand_signals>.
>
> You'll see a hand signal for "hard block" which means the listener is
> hearing something morally objectionable (i.e. they are vetoing it).  By
> defining consensus as "Not morally objectionable" (i.e. not vetoed) the
> Occupy Movement was able to approve more member actions/initiatives than if
> they went with "universally agreed upon" as their definition of consensus,
> because their members were eclectic and unlikely to agree 100% on
> everything.
>
> I witnessed that OccupyDC's Facilitation Committee would change the
> operational definition of consensus as the months went by so that even 1 or
> 2 vetoes were still seen as consensus when they wanted to have fewer
> roadblocks from their own members.  So the veto number is variable as a
> facilitation technique.
> --
> Lucas Cioffi
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>
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Thomas Perret via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks John, great. I read your notes and this one raised a question:
>>
>> "for necessary decisions (e.g. directing group resources), 'consensus' by
>> veto is better than democratic decision-making by majority vote"
>>
>> What do you/the book mean by "consensus by veto" here?
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:51 AM, John Baxter via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Wave Riders
>>
>> I've just finished reading Swarmwise, the tactical manual for organising
>> community like a Pirate (i.e. Sweden's Pirate Party).
>>
>> Open Space methods are threaded through it, both overtly and implicitly.
>> I thought it was an excellent vindication of the hunch that Open Space can
>> be applied in very specific ways to processes much bigger than single
>> events.
>>
>> I did have an initial reaction to how strong the influence of the
>> individual leader-champion is.  But I came to the conclusion that sort of
>> leadership fits the given objectives, and is no different than the sponsor
>> setting the topic in OST.
>> So a heads up, you may have the same averse reaction to ego-centric
>> language that I did... but please forgive it in order to see the wisdom
>> within.
>>
>> Recommended reading for all Wave Riders: Swarmwise
>> <http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/>
>> .
>>
>> Also if of interest, my notes
>> <http://www.evernote.com/shard/s133/sh/265720ee-aa87-4377-9508-d191d48a966a/3ad0177a6c8434e45420dba77f54ff61>
>>  (*not a permalink*)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> *John Baxter*
>> *CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy*
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