<div dir="ltr"><div>From the book: "... you can say that everybody has the power of veto for decisions [...] However, it only works well for smaller subgroups (30<br>or less people). ..." <br><br></div>The book also talks a lot about is the consensus circle<br><br>THE MAGIC OF THE CONSENSUS CIRCLE<br><br>One good mechanism for arriving at a decision in a (defined) group<br>is called a consensus circle. ... p. 165<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 October 2014 13:07, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello Thomas,<div><br></div><div>"Consensus by veto" means anything that is not vetoed is treated as consensus. The occupy movement made decisions this way. People could give several hand signals to indicate their sentiment when someone else was talking without having to talk over them. Here's a list on Wikipedia of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement_hand_signals" target="_blank">Occupy movement's and signals</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>You'll see a hand signal for "hard block" which means the listener is hearing something morally objectionable (i.e. they are vetoing it). By defining consensus as "Not morally objectionable" (i.e. not vetoed) the Occupy Movement was able to approve more member actions/initiatives than if they went with "universally agreed upon" as their definition of consensus, because their members were eclectic and unlikely to agree 100% on everything. </div><div><br></div><div>I witnessed that OccupyDC's Facilitation Committee would change the operational definition of consensus as the months went by so that even 1 or 2 vetoes were still seen as consensus when they wanted to have fewer roadblocks from their own members. So the veto number is variable as a facilitation technique.<br></div><div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div>Lucas Cioffi</div><div>Co-Founder, <font color="#0000ff"><a href="http://qiqochat.com/" target="_blank">QiqoChat.com</a></font></div><div>Charlottesville, VA</div><div><a href="tel:917-528-1831" value="+19175281831" target="_blank">917-528-1831</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Thomas Perret via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Thanks John, great. I read your notes and this one raised a question:</div><div><br></div><div>"for necessary decisions (e.g. directing group resources), 'consensus' by
veto is better than democratic decision-making by majority vote"</div><div><br></div><div>What do you/the book mean by "consensus by veto" here?</div><div><br></div><div>Thomas</div><div><br></div><br><div><div><div><div>On Oct 16, 2014, at 3:51 AM, John Baxter via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Hello Wave Riders</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">I've just finished reading Swarmwise, the tactical manual for organising community like a Pirate (i.e. Sweden's Pirate Party).</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Open Space methods are threaded through it, both overtly and implicitly. I thought it was an excellent vindication of the hunch that Open Space can be applied in very specific ways to processes much bigger than single events.</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">I did have an initial reaction to how strong the influence of the individual leader-champion is. But I came to the conclusion that sort of leadership fits the given objectives, and is no different than the sponsor setting the topic in OST.</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">So a heads up, you may have the same averse reaction to ego-centric language that I did... but please forgive it in order to see the wisdom within.</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Recommended reading for all Wave Riders: <a href="http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/" target="_blank">Swarmwise</a>.</div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><br></div><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Also if of interest, <a href="http://www.evernote.com/shard/s133/sh/265720ee-aa87-4377-9508-d191d48a966a/3ad0177a6c8434e45420dba77f54ff61" target="_blank">my notes</a> (<i>not a permalink</i>)</div><div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)">Cheers</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#663300" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif"><b><i>John Baxter</i></b></font></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><i>CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator, Director of Realise consultancy</i></div><div style="text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small;font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68)"><a href="http://cocreateadl.com/localgov%E2%80%8B" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">CoCreateADL.com</a> | <a href="http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">jsbaxter.com.au</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><font color="#444444" face="'trebuchet ms', sans-serif">0405 447 829</font><div style="font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif;color:rgb(68,68,68);display:inline"> | </div><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif">@</span><a href="http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:'trebuchet ms',sans-serif" target="_blank">jsbaxter_</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-size:small"><br></div></div></div></div>
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