[OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'
Daniel Mezick via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Sun Nov 30 17:47:01 PST 2014
Skye, those are some good vibrations!
Wow Harold. So far Lisa Heft, Anne Stadler, yourself and myself are
using the a-word repeatedly on OSLIST.
On what authority are we using the a-word? Where does it come from?
Is the a-word now "white-listed" here on OSLIST?
Quote from you, below: here you go... /again/...
"...I'm also grateful that you have highlighted how OST makes it easier
to learn our own self-/authorization/. "
On 11/30/14 12:02 PM, Harold Shinsato wrote:
> !! SORRY FOR SHOUTING !!
>
> I like this topic with which I shall shortly engage, but first a word
> from your techie list manager.
>
> If you receive digests and you hit *REPLY*, every single message from
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> Best to trim all the repetition. We don't want to start pushing huge
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>
> !! THANKS AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING !!!
>
>
> Thank you Anne for starting this particular angle of the topic of
> self-organizing! I'm so grateful for the Spirited Work you did for
> years and how much it has influenced this community. I'm also grateful
> that you have highlighted how OST makes it easier to learn our own
> self-authorization. I'm appreciating more and more how much authority
> is a key piece in understanding how OST works, and how to better apply
> OST with are more conscious awareness of what authority is and how it
> works.
>
> Daniel - I confess I've not studied Stigmergy in detail - but it looks
> interesting (which at least from my perspective, if you point
> something out it usually offers great value for me as a topic worthy
> of further study). But I especially like your conversation and,
> *meditation*, on music. It fits so well some of the unnecessary
> strains I see in our community frequently. I'm not a big fan of jargon
> - but there is something beautiful in the general whole experience of
> music separate from the consciousness of the details, how it works,
> the vibrations, etc. And there's also something wonderful in
> recognizing the detailed mathematics.
>
> A philosopher/physical-therapist/cranial sacral practitioner who like
> me has studied African drumming - recounted a story of an east Indian
> musician who came up to a muscian and communicated appreciation of the
> person's playing by saying "I really enjoyed your calculations".
>
> There's a joke about the Buddha asking a street vendor to "Make me one
> with everything". I'm waiting in SLC waiting for my next flight,
> remembering reading a Buddhist magazine (Shambala Sun) on the first
> leg of my journey. It is interesting reading the *detailed*
> distinctions available in Buddhist thinking for consciousness, some of
> which might seem like "jargon". But I found the distinctions from the
> articles by Thich Nat Hahn and others very useful.
>
> No question - Jargon can be divisive. I remember walking with
> classmates in college where a few of us were computer geeks. It was
> like we were talking a foreign language. And yet, it's not like our
> language is mere buzzwords and posing and looking important. If you've
> witnessed this, there's great joy in geek fluency - if extreme
> annoyance in those who hear all the jargon.
>
> One last word on this - although many really great practitioners may
> not be able to talk about what they do because they're unconsciously
> competent and maybe even brilliant - these brilliant practitioners
> make terrible coaches. Because they don't understand the distinctions
> they have coded in their brains well enough to communicate those
> distinctions to others. They can't teach. I hope we can keep the space
> open for those who like to ask WHY - and maybe use technical language
> in the process of communicating what we find.
>
> Blessings!
> Harold
>
> P.S. Skye - thanks for the brilliance of your work and I loved the
> videos of vibrations! Imagine if we could start seeing and growing
> with science healthy brain vibrations.
>
>
> On 11/30/14 7:34 AM, Skye Hirst via OSList wrote:
>> Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings each vibrating in
>> their own way and together harmonies are created, and also one of
>> artist Lisa Sparks with feelings vibrations in bowls of water. I
>> hope you can see a relation to what is happening in OS wherever,
>> whenever life is happening.
>>
>> http://www.thelisapark.com/#/Lisa Sparks Vibrations
>>
>> http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBUGuitar Vibrations
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anne,
>>
>> Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together
>> (NOVA) about "sociobiology." And there was this scientist E.O.
>> Wilson. He's this weird guy that studies ants. And this term
>> "stigmergy" comes up during the viewing.
>>
>> Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We discuss
>> ants, signs, signals, symbols and words. Words like "music." We
>> discuss how some truly great musicians play from pure feel, and
>> cannot "read" music at all, and may in fact "be illiterate." They
>> play the instrument using here-and-now sensing, and feelings.
>> They make amazing sounds.
>>
>> How the instrument physically makes sound can be precisely
>> described. Yet how the musician makes his or her sound cannot.
>> And we discuss how some people are very good at using the
>> instrument to make a very specific sound (without being able to
>> clearly explain how) while others are good at describing in
>> general terms how the instrument can produce many sounds (without
>> being good at making any pleasing sounds at all with the instrument.)
>>
>> Today we talked about Open Space in light of the word 'stigmergy'
>> and this show on NOVA, and music.
>>
>> And how perhaps Open Space is maybe a kind of instrument. That
>> produces vibrations. Some folks just know how to play the
>> instrument to produce very specific, purposeful, pleasing
>> vibrations. Another set of people can clearly explain how the
>> instrument can produce arbitrary vibrations. And how maybe some
>> people belong to both groups, and can play the instrument well,
>> and also clearly explain how it actually the instrument makes
>> various vibrations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/14 12:12 AM, Anne Stadler via OSList wrote:
>>> Re studying self-organization
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Yes HO all IS self-organization.
>>> However i'm not interested in just any kind of self
>>> organization. OST or Opening space is oriented to facilitating
>>> self authorization; ease of emergence; rapid achievement of flow
>>> state and high degree of coherence. That's my experience gained
>>> in a seven year experiment in using OST to evolve an Open Space
>>> Learning Community of Practice (Spirited Work).
>>>
>>> So one thing that pops out for me if one were to research this,
>>> maybe one needs to track a few things:
>>> 1. Level of self authorization?
>>> 2. Ease of initiating
>>> 3. Ease of emergence
>>> 4. Level of group flow state?
>>> 5. Level of group coherence?
>>>
>>> Another observation: re using "well-established words". As an
>>> example you gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that
>>> "well-established"? Except in certain academic fields? I am a
>>> "first follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true! Since
>>> 1989). I have no idea what you're talking about, i'm sorry to
>>> say. So If you're also interested in influencing and involving
>>> users of OST, I would encourage no professional jargon, if
>>> possible. It renders the enterprise meaningless to an person for
>>> whom OST taps into natural human patterns and ways of
>>> collaboration.
>>>
>>> Thanks for this conversation you all!
>>>
>>> Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>
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