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Skye, those are some good vibrations!<br>
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Wow Harold. So far Lisa Heft, Anne Stadler, yourself and myself are
using the a-word repeatedly on OSLIST. <br>
<br>
On what authority are we using the a-word? Where does it come from?<br>
<br>
Is the a-word now "white-listed" here on OSLIST? <br>
<br>
Quote from you, below: here you go... <i>again</i>...<br>
"...I'm also grateful that you have highlighted how OST makes it
easier to learn our own self-<i>authorization</i>. "<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/30/14 12:02 PM, Harold Shinsato
wrote:<br>
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!! SORRY FOR SHOUTING !!<br>
<br>
I like this topic with which I shall shortly engage, but first a
word from your techie list manager.<br>
<br>
If you receive digests and you hit *REPLY*, every single message
from the digest will be included in your reply and there is a very
good chance your post will not get through because of size. PLEASE
after you hit reply consider trimming all the unnecessary stuff
from the digest. This is also true for threads that get
exceptionally long. Best to trim all the repetition. We don't want
to start pushing huge emails through to 800 email boxes. The
OSLIST could start being tagged as a spammer, as well as
potentially jamming up other peoples boxes so they run out of
space. Also - if you get digests - consider changing the subject
back to the message you are responding to. It is not just kinder
to the current readers, but it also makes your input easier to
find for posterity.<br>
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!! THANKS AND NOW BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING !!!<br>
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Thank you Anne for starting this particular angle of the topic of
self-organizing! I'm so grateful for the Spirited Work you did for
years and how much it has influenced this community. I'm also
grateful that you have highlighted how OST makes it easier to
learn our own self-authorization. I'm appreciating more and more
how much authority is a key piece in understanding how OST works,
and how to better apply OST with are more conscious awareness of
what authority is and how it works.<br>
<br>
Daniel - I confess I've not studied Stigmergy in detail - but it
looks interesting (which at least from my perspective, if you
point something out it usually offers great value for me as a
topic worthy of further study). But I especially like your
conversation and, *meditation*, on music. It fits so well some of
the unnecessary strains I see in our community frequently. I'm not
a big fan of jargon - but there is something beautiful in the
general whole experience of music separate from the consciousness
of the details, how it works, the vibrations, etc. And there's
also something wonderful in recognizing the detailed mathematics.<br>
<br>
A philosopher/physical-therapist/cranial sacral practitioner who
like me has studied African drumming - recounted a story of an
east Indian musician who came up to a muscian and communicated
appreciation of the person's playing by saying "I really enjoyed
your calculations".<br>
<br>
There's a joke about the Buddha asking a street vendor to "Make me
one with everything". I'm waiting in SLC waiting for my next
flight, remembering reading a Buddhist magazine (Shambala Sun) on
the first leg of my journey. It is interesting reading the
*detailed* distinctions available in Buddhist thinking for
consciousness, some of which might seem like "jargon". But I found
the distinctions from the articles by Thich Nat Hahn and others
very useful.<br>
<br>
No question - Jargon can be divisive. I remember walking with
classmates in college where a few of us were computer geeks. It
was like we were talking a foreign language. And yet, it's not
like our language is mere buzzwords and posing and looking
important. If you've witnessed this, there's great joy in geek
fluency - if extreme annoyance in those who hear all the jargon.<br>
<br>
One last word on this - although many really great practitioners
may not be able to talk about what they do because they're
unconsciously competent and maybe even brilliant - these brilliant
practitioners make terrible coaches. Because they don't understand
the distinctions they have coded in their brains well enough to
communicate those distinctions to others. They can't teach. I hope
we can keep the space open for those who like to ask WHY - and
maybe use technical language in the process of communicating what
we find.<br>
<br>
Blessings!<br>
Harold<br>
<br>
P.S. Skye - thanks for the brilliance of your work and I loved the
videos of vibrations! Imagine if we could start seeing and growing
with science healthy brain vibrations.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/30/14 7:34 AM, Skye Hirst via
OSList wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yes, and here's a link to see the guitar strings
each vibrating in their own way and together harmonies are
created, and also one of artist Lisa Sparks with feelings
vibrations in bowls of water. I hope you can see a relation
to what is happening in OS wherever, whenever life is
happening.
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.thelisapark.com/#/">http://www.thelisapark.com/#/</a></span></span><span
style=""> </span>Lisa Sparks Vibrations</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""><span class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBU">http://youtu.be/TKF6nFzpHBU</a></span></span><span
style=""> </span>Guitar Vibrations</p>
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Daniel Mezick via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org"
target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi Anne,<br>
<br>
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV
together (NOVA) about "sociobiology." And there was this
scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this weird guy that studies
ants. And this term "stigmergy" comes up during the
viewing.<br>
<br>
Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We
discuss ants, signs, signals, symbols and words. Words
like "music." We discuss how some truly great musicians
play from pure feel, and cannot "read" music at all, and
may in fact "be illiterate." They play the instrument
using here-and-now sensing, and feelings. They make
amazing sounds.<br>
<br>
How the instrument physically makes sound can be
precisely described. Yet how the musician makes his or
her sound cannot. And we discuss how some people are
very good at using the instrument to make a very
specific sound (without being able to clearly explain
how) while others are good at describing in general
terms how the instrument can produce many sounds
(without being good at making any pleasing sounds at all
with the instrument.)<br>
<br>
Today we talked about Open Space in light of the word
'stigmergy' and this show on NOVA, and music. <br>
<br>
And how perhaps Open Space is maybe a kind of
instrument. That produces vibrations. Some folks just
know how to play the instrument to produce very
specific, purposeful, pleasing vibrations. Another set
of people can clearly explain how the instrument can
produce arbitrary vibrations. And how maybe some people
belong to both groups, and can play the instrument well,
and also clearly explain how it actually the instrument
makes various vibrations.<br>
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<img alt=""
src="cid:part4.01050803.02060009@newtechusa.net"
height="133" width="229"><br>
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Daniel<br>
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<div>On 11/30/14 12:12 AM, Anne Stadler via OSList
wrote:<br>
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<div>Re studying self-organization<br>
Thanks all. </div>
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<div>Yes HO all IS self-organization.</div>
<div>However i'm not interested in just any kind
of self organization. OST or Opening space is
oriented to facilitating self authorization;
ease of emergence; rapid achievement of flow
state and high degree of coherence. That's my
experience gained in a seven year experiment in
using OST to evolve an Open Space Learning
Community of Practice (Spirited Work). </div>
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<div>So one thing that pops out for me if one were
to research this, maybe one needs to track a few
things:</div>
<div>1. Level of self authorization?</div>
<div>2. Ease of initiating </div>
<div>3. Ease of emergence </div>
<div>4. Level of group flow state?</div>
<div>5. Level of group coherence?</div>
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<div>Another observation: re using
"well-established words". As an example you
gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that
"well-established"? Except in certain academic
fields? I am a "first follower" Open Spacer
(that is literally true! Since 1989). I have no
idea what you're talking about, i'm sorry to
say. So If you're also interested in
influencing and involving users of OST, I would
encourage no professional jargon, if possible.
It renders the enterprise meaningless to an
person for whom OST taps into natural human
patterns and ways of collaboration. </div>
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<div>Thanks for this conversation you all!</div>
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<div>Anne</div>
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