[OSList] The OST Game
Dan Mezick
dan at newtechusa.net
Sat Oct 26 07:57:36 PDT 2013
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On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring <adriana at diazberrio.com> wrote:
> Reading your conversation made me think that a very good OS theme would be about how new relationships start, for friends and other types because so many people are using a lot of time looking for some "goal" or "tarjet" in this sites where you ara suposed to find your "soulmate" ...a lot of time is wasted socialy i Think!
> And there is a need for a space to meet that's for shure.
> But it would be so nice to have an OS where we could reflect together about this kind of issues about control, surprise, willing to provoque a specific reaction on the other person.
> But it is not clear in my mind how the question could be framed but I feel there is a need for a space where people having this issues could talk and reflect about this topics. And see also that they are not alone in this.
> Adriana
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> 2013/10/26 Daniel Mezick <dan at newtechusa.net>
>> A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below...
>>
>> On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
>>> Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a certain woman, and waits for the current trend of her interest in him to change. He is goal seeking without controlling. Likewise, trend-following market traders do not attempt to create, control or make trends. They simply identify & ride them, while seeking wealth. <<
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>>> Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling.
>> Yes, they are forms of governing one self. Actually, this is a very narrow and focused form of control: control of one's self. We often refer to this as 'discipline', which is distinct from the more general word 'control'. Self-discipline vs. attempted control of others, if you will.
>>> Your loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to coin a phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another woman.
>> The man in the hypothetical situation has a current goal, which is to be in relationship with a certain woman. He watches and follows the trend of her interest. This does not mean he is blind to what the wider environment might be offering now.
>>> He may not be trying to control her, but he’s still trying to control the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to achieve his goal.
>> It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above is: "him or her self." That's discipline of self, not control of others.
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>>> Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don’t randomly ride the trends, they identify them and make choices about how to ride them, in order to obtain wealth. That is control.
>> Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if you mean self-goverance, self-discipline then yes. Controlling one self is generally a good idea, is it not?
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>>> I don’t think it’s possible to be goal-oriented and try to exert some kind of control over the process, unless your goal is… to have no goal.
>> I think you mean
>> "...I don’t think it’s possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to exert some kind of control over the process.."
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>> If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires self-control, aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders without discipline routinely lose money. Individuals without self-control routinely create problems for themselves.
>>> Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A sort of wonderfully ridiculous one.
>> Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing in OST?
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>>> Jen x
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>>> Jenifer Toksvig
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