<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=GB2312"></head><body dir="auto"><div><img src="cid:F96EAB00-4163-4A08-832F-5D5473039813" alt="9k=.jpeg" id="F96EAB00-4163-4A08-832F-5D5473039813"><br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring <<a href="mailto:adriana@diazberrio.com">adriana@diazberrio.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Reading your conversation made me think that a very good OS theme would be about how new relationships start, for friends and other types because so many people are using a lot of time looking for some "goal" or "tarjet" in this sites where you ara suposed to find your "soulmate" ...a lot of time is wasted socialy i Think!<br>
And there is a need for a space to meet that's for shure.<br>But it would be so nice to have an OS where we could reflect together about this kind of issues about control, surprise, willing to provoque a specific reaction on the other person. <br>
</div>But it is not clear in my mind how the question could be framed but I feel there is a need for a space where people having this issues could talk and reflect about this topics. And see also that they are not alone in this.<br>
</div><div>Adriana<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/26 Daniel Mezick <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan@newtechusa.net" target="_blank">dan@newtechusa.net</a>></span><br>
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A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below...<br>
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<div>On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig
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<font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dan wrote:
>> Consider the man who loves a certain woman, and waits
for the current trend of her interest in him to change. He is
goal seeking without controlling. Likewise, trend-following
market traders do not attempt to create, control or make
trends. They simply identify & ride them, while seeking
wealth. <<<br>
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Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling. </span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">Yes, they are forms of governing one self.
Actually, this is a very narrow and focused form of control:
control of one's self. We often refer to this as 'discipline',
which is distinct from the more general word 'control'</font>.
Self-discipline vs. attempted control of others, if you will. <br>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">Your
loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to
coin a phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another
woman. </span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">The man in the hypothetical situation has a
current goal, which is to be in relationship with a certain woman.
He watches and follows the trend of her interest. This does not
mean he is blind to what the wider environment might be offering
now. </font><br>
<blockquote type="cite"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">He may
not be trying to control her, but he¡¯s still trying to control
the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to
achieve his goal.<br>
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<font face="Arial">It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above
is: "him or her self." That's discipline of self, not control of
others. </font><br>
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Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don¡¯t randomly ride
the trends, they identify them and make choices about how to
ride them, in order to obtain wealth. That is control.<br>
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<font face="Arial">Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if
you mean self-goverance, self-discipline then yes. Controlling one
self is generally a good idea, is it not?</font><br>
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I don¡¯t think it¡¯s possible to be goal-oriented and try to
exert some kind of control over the process, unless your goal
is¡ to have no goal.</span></font></blockquote>
<font face="Arial">I think you mean </font><br>
<font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:12pt">"...I don¡¯t think
it¡¯s possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to exert some kind
of control over the process</span></font>.." <br>
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If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires
self-control, aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders
without discipline routinely lose money. Individuals without
self-control routinely create problems for themselves. <br>
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Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A
sort of wonderfully ridiculous one.<br>
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Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing
in OST?<br>
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Jen x<br>
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</span><font color="#808080"><font><span style="font-size:10pt"><b>Jenifer Toksvig<br>
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