[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 20, Issue 23
Frank Page
fcpage at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 22 18:41:00 PDT 2012
Hi Eric,
Priorities -
* Write up meetings with Jamil, Fatur, Desy
* Get flow charts into computer
* Schedule meetings with Arta and each program manager to go over the
programs and schedule Govt Relations Meeting
I have a meeting from 4:30 to 6:30 this evening and will be at Dave¹s
meeting on and off during the day. If you would like to talk, give a call
and we can work on timing.
I had a good talk with Pak Arif from the review team nice guy and looks
like a very good resource, but busy.
Dave¹s workshop is going well, and he gave some good overview training on
document management which will help me manage up very useful.
Having everyone in training for a whole week is frustrating as everything
else has to be done ³around the edges² (vent vent)
Cheers
Frank
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> 1. Re: Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment (Koos de Heer)
> 2. Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October
> 21, 2012 (Christine Whitney Sanchez)
> 3. Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October
> 21, 2012 (Christine Whitney Sanchez)
> 4. Critiquing a WOSonOS - [formerly titled 'Peggy plus OST
> Linkedin'] (Raffi Aftandelian)
> 5. Re: Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment (Chris Corrigan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:50:31 +0200
> From: Koos de Heer <koos at auryn.nl>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment
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> Dear Pernilla,
>
> Thank you for sharing your observations.
>
> I agree with what you write about the Law of Two Feet and I have experimented
> with the way I explain it in my introductions.
>
> After explaining what the Law of two Feet is, I usually say that folks of
> course have the opportunity to just get up and leave quietly, no need for
> apologies or explanations. And there is also the option to give a voice to the
> fact that you are not tuned in to the conversation. It might be that the train
> your thoughts are taking (or the very fact that you are distracted) is a very
> valuable contribution to the conversation. If that is not the case, you still
> have the option of leaving quietly.
>
> I say this as a way to invite a voice that might otherwise go unspoken.
>
> Warm greetings from a drizzling London Sunday afternoon (on my way home)
>
> Koos de Heer
>
> Pernilla Luttropp <pluttropp at swipnet.se>schreef:
>
>> I have a tendency to get stuck in polarisations, and it is seldom a
>> productive way forward - if that?s the way I want to go.
>> I enjoy reading your reflections on if Open Space Technology is imprisoned
>> or not and I?ll try to keep my awareness on not ending up in good/bad,
>> prison/freedom, structure/chaos, right/wrong etc.
>>
>> But I do think that OST rises a fundamental and existential question of
>> wanting to take part in a community, and contribute in any way possible, or
>> to walk away to another community or to solitude. It is for sure one of the
>> most fundamental questions in my life and it has sometimes left me in a
>> shaky/vague/uncertain position. Who can I turn to if I?m in doubt of if this
>> community will provide the safety I need in order to explore this
>> existential matter? At WOSonOS I got the opportunity to try to put these
>> thoughts into words together with other people who shared their
>> vulnerability, fears and emotions with me. I?m very grateful to those of you
>> who shared this with me. At some other sessions I didn?t feel that safety or
>> openness of exploring the questions I raised at that very moment, so I used
>> my two feet. I later found out that someone else (thank you Tova) took my
>> chair and the conversation went on - whenever it starts is the right time.
>> To me that is the strength of a working community, it?s not about me and my
>> needs (it?s a starting point but not the goal). It?s about what I bring and
>> how it is received. To me it?s about the latin word communicare, to share
>> and make common. It takes a lot of courage to take a step in to the circle,
>> at least for me. And it takes a lot of awareness from the community in
>> order to stay open to change and soft voices.
>>
>> Since I left London I?ve facilitated two Open Spaces, both came out of
>> politicians need to talk about democracy. They were very different but they
>> made me notice how hard it can be for some people to leave a circle (or the
>> event), how hard it can be to be left by others and the courage to stay and
>> stick to your needs, even if you are only half aware of what they are. It
>> makes me humble and a bit scared of what I put people through. And being the
>> person I am, I?m interested in what makes people stay and leave in order to
>> talk about the community. Not just to say that it?s the law.
>>
>> To create a community were we try to invite these feelings, thoughts and
>> actions (and everything in between) and at the same time try to put it in to
>> some kind of organized form, is not an easy task. I don?t have the answer on
>> how to do that, and I think there are many answers, but as long as I can
>> raise questions and someone answers, I?m happy to be part of this circle and
>> community.
>>
>> From a rainy Stockholm in Sweden
>> Pernilla Luttropp
>>
>>
>>
>> Den 2012-10-21 12.22, skrev "Koos de Heer" <koos at auryn.nl>:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the law of two
>>> feet
>>> applies. If it means as much as "This is Open Space, love it or leave it," I
>>> feel compelled to say that I don't support that.
>>>
>>> Of course I can walk out of a session if I am feeling that I am neither
>>> learning nor contributing. But if I have the idea that the Open Space
>>> gathering as a whole could use improvements in the way it is run, referring
>>> to
>>> the law of two feet can become a way to evade a discussion that needs to
>>> take
>>> place. It can take place at a later date, which is what is happening now and
>>> that is fine.
>>>
>>> Koos
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 20 okt. 2012 om 21:23 heeft Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> het
>>> volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent
>>>> along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't
>>>> helped
>>>> by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS in a
>>>> way
>>>> that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a critique of
>>>> the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't critiquing the
>>>> facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful critique without
>>>> it
>>>> seeming personal.
>>>>
>>>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general
>>>> my
>>>> take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning
>>>> or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes
>>>> things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a
>>>> process
>>>> seems too dependant on them is rational madness.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>
>>
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> Subject: [OSList] Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma,
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> Thought you might enjoy this voice from the larger field. With a special bow
> to you, Phelim, and with appreciation for the amazing way you brought Glass'
> Satyagraha to life.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Tricycle: The Buddhist Review" <tricycle at tricycle.com>
>> Date: October 21, 2012, 12:02:08 AM MST
>> To: christine at innovationpartners.com
>> Subject: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012
>> Reply-To: tricycle at tricycle.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Tricycle Daily Dharma October 21, 2012
>> Awakening Our Senses
>>
>> The problem with listening, of course, is that we don't. There's too much
>> noise going on in our heads, so we never hear anything. The inner
>> conversation simply never stops. It can be our voice or whatever voices we
>> want to supply, but it's a constant racket. In the same way we don't see, and
>> in the same way we don't feel, we don't touch, we don't taste.
>>
>> - Philip Glass, "Listening to Philip Glass"
>> Read the entire article in the Tricycle Wisdom Collection through October
>> 23rd, 2012
>> For full access at any time, become a Tricycle Community Supporting or
>> Sustaining Member
>>
>>
>> Today on Tricycle
>> SPONSORED LINKS
>> WEEK 3 OF RIGHT SPEECH ONLINE RETREAT
>> Vishvapani Blomfield continues his retreat with "Communicating with Meaning,"
>> an examination of our intentions across all forms of communication?from
>> jokes, to television, to dharma talks?suggesting the primacy of intention
>> over subject matter in regards to Right Speech. Vishvapani encourages us to
>> reflect more fully on our inner values and motivations that inform our
>> speech, enabling us to better abstain from frivolous, meaningless speech, and
>> direct language in a highly charged, refined way that is conducive to genuine
>> communication. This week is exclusively available to sustaining and
>> supporting members of Tricycle. Join the retreat.
>>
>> THIS WEEK: PILGRIMAGE SPECIAL SECTION
>> Pilgrimage has a rich religious background in Buddhist history. It is
>> traditionally linked to devotion and faith, and the spiritual merit conferred
>> by visiting sacred sites. Contemporary pilgrimage, by contrast, usually has
>> more to do with the spirit with which you embark on your journey than with
>> any special power associated with the site itself. Wherever they happen to be
>> going, pilgrims today often take the attitude that by its very nature, travel
>> can reveal essential Buddhist truths. Our special section on pilgrimage
>> explores these themes and more with an essay by perpetual pilgrim Pico Iyer,
>> "The Long Road to Sitting Still," and an interview with the "atheist pilgrim"
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>> Are you right? How about your speech? It?s that time of year when the mud
>> flies fast and furious, and the blogosphere cries ?wrong? and ?foul? at every
>> turn. Tsk. But how about that juicy piece of gossip floating around the
>> office? Or that Facebook post, tweet, or email flameout you?d rather forget?
>> Tricycle Teachings: Right Speech offers compassionate words of advice for all
>> of us who at times have used our words as weapons, and describes the tools
>> and methods used by skillful speakers to turn thoughts into expressions of
>> wisdom and peace. For Supporting and Sustaining Members only. Join the
>> Tricycle Community and get the free e-book now.
>> Being in the World
>> Being in the World asks whether we have forgotten what it means to be truly
>> human in today's technological age, and proceeds to answer this question by
>> taking a journey around the world to meet a whole host of remarkable
>> individuals, including Manuel Molina, the legendary poet and flamenco master;
>> Leah Chase, affectionately known as the Queen of Creole Cuisine; and Hiroshi
>> Sakaguchi, a master carpenter from Japan. By showing how these modern day
>> masters approach life from within their chosen fields, Ruspoli's film
>> celebrates the ability of human beings to find meaning in the world through
>> the mastery of physical, intellectual, and creative skills. Now available
>> exclusively from Alive Mind Cinema on DVD. Buy the DVD.
>>
>>
>>
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> From: Christine Whitney Sanchez <cwhitneysanchez at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [OSList] Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma,
> October 21, 2012
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> I'm standing with Harold and Karen Davis. Harold tells me that I'm subscribed
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> From: Christine Whitney Sanchez <christine at innovationpartners.com>
>> Date: October 21, 2012, 4:07:10 PM MST
>> To: Open Space List <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012
>>
>> Thought you might enjoy this voice from the larger field. With a special bow
>> to you, Phelim, and with appreciation for the amazing way you brought Glass'
>> Satyagraha to life.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: "Tricycle: The Buddhist Review" <tricycle at tricycle.com>
>>> Date: October 21, 2012, 12:02:08 AM MST
>>> To: christine at innovationpartners.com
>>> Subject: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012
>>> Reply-To: tricycle at tricycle.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tricycle Daily Dharma October 21, 2012
>>> Awakening Our Senses
>>>
>>> The problem with listening, of course, is that we don't. There's too much
>>> noise going on in our heads, so we never hear anything. The inner
>>> conversation simply never stops. It can be our voice or whatever voices we
>>> want to supply, but it's a constant racket. In the same way we don't see,
>>> and in the same way we don't feel, we don't touch, we don't taste.
>>>
>>> - Philip Glass, "Listening to Philip Glass"
>>> Read the entire article in the Tricycle Wisdom Collection through October
>>> 23rd, 2012
>>> For full access at any time, become a Tricycle Community Supporting or
>>> Sustaining Member
>>>
>>>
>>> Today on Tricycle
>>> SPONSORED LINKS
>>> WEEK 3 OF RIGHT SPEECH ONLINE RETREAT
>>> Vishvapani Blomfield continues his retreat with "Communicating with
>>> Meaning," an examination of our intentions across all forms of
>>> communication?from jokes, to television, to dharma talks?suggesting the
>>> primacy of intention over subject matter in regards to Right Speech.
>>> Vishvapani encourages us to reflect more fully on our inner values and
>>> motivations that inform our speech, enabling us to better abstain from
>>> frivolous, meaningless speech, and direct language in a highly charged,
>>> refined way that is conducive to genuine communication. This week is
>>> exclusively available to sustaining and supporting members of Tricycle. Join
>>> the retreat.
>>>
>>> THIS WEEK: PILGRIMAGE SPECIAL SECTION
>>> Pilgrimage has a rich religious background in Buddhist history. It is
>>> traditionally linked to devotion and faith, and the spiritual merit
>>> conferred by visiting sacred sites. Contemporary pilgrimage, by contrast,
>>> usually has more to do with the spirit with which you embark on your journey
>>> than with any special power associated with the site itself. Wherever they
>>> happen to be going, pilgrims today often take the attitude that by its very
>>> nature, travel can reveal essential Buddhist truths. Our special section on
>>> pilgrimage explores these themes and more with an essay by perpetual pilgrim
>>> Pico Iyer, "The Long Road to Sitting Still," and an interview with the
>>> "atheist pilgrim" Stephen Batchelor. Read about pilgrimage.
>>> = member supported content
>>> Free E-Book!
>>> Are you right? How about your speech? It?s that time of year when the mud
>>> flies fast and furious, and the blogosphere cries ?wrong? and ?foul? at
>>> every turn. Tsk. But how about that juicy piece of gossip floating around
>>> the office? Or that Facebook post, tweet, or email flameout you?d rather
>>> forget? Tricycle Teachings: Right Speech offers compassionate words of
>>> advice for all of us who at times have used our words as weapons, and
>>> describes the tools and methods used by skillful speakers to turn thoughts
>>> into expressions of wisdom and peace. For Supporting and Sustaining Members
>>> only. Join the Tricycle Community and get the free e-book now.
>>> Being in the World
>>> Being in the World asks whether we have forgotten what it means to be truly
>>> human in today's technological age, and proceeds to answer this question by
>>> taking a journey around the world to meet a whole host of remarkable
>>> individuals, including Manuel Molina, the legendary poet and flamenco
>>> master; Leah Chase, affectionately known as the Queen of Creole Cuisine; and
>>> Hiroshi Sakaguchi, a master carpenter from Japan. By showing how these
>>> modern day masters approach life from within their chosen fields, Ruspoli's
>>> film celebrates the ability of human beings to find meaning in the world
>>> through the mastery of physical, intellectual, and creative skills. Now
>>> available exclusively from Alive Mind Cinema on DVD. Buy the DVD.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This email was sent to christine at innovationpartners.com by
>>> tricycle at tricycle.com |
>>> Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe? |
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> From: Raffi Aftandelian <raffi_1970 at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [OSList] Critiquing a WOSonOS - [formerly titled 'Peggy plus
> OST Linkedin']
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> Thanks for this lively conversation, folks.
>
> I just want to echo what Michael Herman said- viva simplicity (by the way we
> do have a good relatively recent example of this-- and that's the OSonOS By
> The Sea events...); and while I could not make London, I could tell from a
> distance that a lot of love, care, warmth, and inspiration went into the
> preparations and hats off again to my friends and colleagues across the Great
> Pond.
>
> warmly,
> raffi
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> From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
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> Having been on the hosting team for OSonOS IX, I echo what you write here
> Phelim?I sometimes equated my experience of opening space for all of my
> colleagues as "telling jokes to comedians." It's not easy, but it's fun and
> once you've done it - as Michael Herman said to me - "you're in deep."
>
> So welcome to being in deep!
>
> Love right back to you...
>
> Chris
>
> PS and asking an acclaimed Broadway director "can you handle criticism?" is a
> bit rich, and pretty funny. Like asking the sun, "So you think you're hot
> eh?" The answer is an obvious, "well - yes. What's you're point?" :-)
>
>
>
> On 2012-10-20, at 1:46 PM, Phelim McDermott wrote:
>
>> Chris
>>
>> I agree with you. I'm fine with the critique. Different strokes for different
>> folks.
>>
>> I think the difficulty is what you pinpoint. It's hard to reply and have a
>> constructive conversation when it's not directly addressed to myself and the
>> hosting team and seems like a veiled passive aggressive attack especially
>> considering how it is being disseminated with provocative headlines of the
>> "can you handle criticism" kind.
>>
>> I wonder what the intention behind the communication is?
>>
>> I also think this raises the issue of what WOSonOS is....
>>
>> Is it a celebration and a meeting of a community who share? Not just an open
>> space event but the creation of a welcoming gathering space in which people
>> work on being a community and honour the history of the event. Or on the
>> other end of the scale is it where we come and check out how other people "do
>> or facilitate open space" and critique and score it?
>>
>> I know that WOSonOS is not an open space event for a client And Personally
>> I'm in for celebrating diversity of style in event and facilitation. It was
>> one of the reasons we were encouraged to invite by the international OS
>> community we are a theatre company and our event had small touch of that
>> style... if only a touch.
>>
>> And Paul if you're on the list I would love to engage in a conversation about
>> this.
>>
>> Love
>> Phelim
>>
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>>
>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:23, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent
>>> along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't
>>> helped by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS
>>> in a way that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a
>>> critique of the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't
>>> critiquing the facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful
>>> critique without it seeming personal.
>>>
>>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general my
>>> take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning
>>> or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes
>>> things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a
>>> process seems too dependant on them is rational madness.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --
>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>> Harvest Moon Consultants
>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Art of Hosting - Participatory Leadership and Social Collaboration, Bowen
>>> Island, BC
>>> November 12-15 2012
>>>
>>> Art of Hosting in Faith Based Communities, Salt Lake City, Utah
>>> November 28th - December 1, 2012
>>>
>>> On 2012-10-20, at 5:09 AM, "alan at alanhalford.com.au"
>>> <alan at alanhalford.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just spent a delicious three days co-learning with Peggy Holman here in
>>>> Perth then I read this -
>>>> So, what's possible now?
>>>> http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-
>>>> of-open-space/
>>>>
>>>> take care out there
>>>> alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.alanhalford.com.au
>>>> 0421 475 252
>>>> skype: alanhalford
>>>>
>>>>
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