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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Hi Eric,<BR>
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Priorities - <BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><UL><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Write up meetings with Jamil, Fatur, Desy
</SPAN></FONT><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Get flow charts into computer
</SPAN></FONT><LI><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>Schedule meetings with Arta and each program manager to go over the programs and schedule Govt Relations Meeting<BR>
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I have a meeting from 4:30 to 6:30 this evening and will be at Dave’s meeting on and off during the day. If you would like to talk, give a call and we can work on timing.<BR>
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I had a good talk with Pak Arif from the review team – nice guy and looks like a very good resource, but busy. <BR>
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Dave’s workshop is going well, and he gave some good overview training on document management which will help me manage up – very useful.<BR>
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Having everyone in training for a whole week is frustrating as everything else has to be done “around the edges” (vent vent)<BR>
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Cheers<BR>
<BR>
Frank<BR>
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> 1. Re: Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment (Koos de Heer)<BR>
> 2. Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October<BR>
> 21, 2012 (Christine Whitney Sanchez)<BR>
> 3. Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October<BR>
> 21, 2012 (Christine Whitney Sanchez)<BR>
> 4. Critiquing a WOSonOS - [formerly titled 'Peggy plus OST<BR>
> Linkedin'] (Raffi Aftandelian)<BR>
> 5. Re: Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment (Chris Corrigan)<BR>
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> Message: 1<BR>
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:50:31 +0200<BR>
> From: Koos de Heer <<a href="koos@auryn.nl">koos@auryn.nl</a>><BR>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list<BR>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment<BR>
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> Dear Pernilla,<BR>
> <BR>
> Thank you for sharing your observations.<BR>
> <BR>
> I agree with what you write about the Law of Two Feet and I have experimented <BR>
> with the way I explain it in my introductions.<BR>
> <BR>
> After explaining what the Law of two Feet is, I usually say that folks of <BR>
> course have the opportunity to just get up and leave quietly, no need for <BR>
> apologies or explanations. And there is also the option to give a voice to the <BR>
> fact that you are not tuned in to the conversation. It might be that the train <BR>
> your thoughts are taking (or the very fact that you are distracted) is a very <BR>
> valuable contribution to the conversation. If that is not the case, you still <BR>
> have the option of leaving quietly.<BR>
> <BR>
> I say this as a way to invite a voice that might otherwise go unspoken. <BR>
> <BR>
> Warm greetings from a drizzling London Sunday afternoon (on my way home)<BR>
> <BR>
> Koos de Heer<BR>
> <BR>
> Pernilla Luttropp <<a href="pluttropp@swipnet.se>schreef">pluttropp@swipnet.se>schreef</a>:<BR>
> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> I have a tendency to get stuck in polarisations, and it is seldom a<BR>
>> productive way forward - if that?s the way I want to go.<BR>
>> I enjoy reading your reflections on if Open Space Technology is imprisoned<BR>
>> or not and I?ll try to keep my awareness on not ending up in good/bad,<BR>
>> prison/freedom, structure/chaos, right/wrong etc.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> But I do think that OST rises a fundamental and existential question of<BR>
>> wanting to take part in a community, and contribute in any way possible, or<BR>
>> to walk away to another community or to solitude. It is for sure one of the<BR>
>> most fundamental questions in my life and it has sometimes left me in a<BR>
>> shaky/vague/uncertain position. Who can I turn to if I?m in doubt of if this<BR>
>> community will provide the safety I need in order to explore this<BR>
>> existential matter? At WOSonOS I got the opportunity to try to put these<BR>
>> thoughts into words together with other people who shared their<BR>
>> vulnerability, fears and emotions with me. I?m very grateful to those of you<BR>
>> who shared this with me. At some other sessions I didn?t feel that safety or<BR>
>> openness of exploring the questions I raised at that very moment, so I used<BR>
>> my two feet. I later found out that someone else (thank you Tova) took my<BR>
>> chair and the conversation went on - whenever it starts is the right time.<BR>
>> To me that is the strength of a working community, it?s not about me and my<BR>
>> needs (it?s a starting point but not the goal). It?s about what I bring and<BR>
>> how it is received. To me it?s about the latin word communicare, to share<BR>
>> and make common. It takes a lot of courage to take a step in to the circle,<BR>
>> at least for me. And it takes a lot of awareness from the community in<BR>
>> order to stay open to change and soft voices.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Since I left London I?ve facilitated two Open Spaces, both came out of<BR>
>> politicians need to talk about democracy. They were very different but they<BR>
>> made me notice how hard it can be for some people to leave a circle (or the<BR>
>> event), how hard it can be to be left by others and the courage to stay and<BR>
>> stick to your needs, even if you are only half aware of what they are. It<BR>
>> makes me humble and a bit scared of what I put people through. And being the<BR>
>> person I am, I?m interested in what makes people stay and leave in order to<BR>
>> talk about the community. Not just to say that it?s the law.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> To create a community were we try to invite these feelings, thoughts and<BR>
>> actions (and everything in between) and at the same time try to put it in to<BR>
>> some kind of organized form, is not an easy task. I don?t have the answer on<BR>
>> how to do that, and I think there are many answers, but as long as I can<BR>
>> raise questions and someone answers, I?m happy to be part of this circle and<BR>
>> community.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> From a rainy Stockholm in Sweden<BR>
>> Pernilla Luttropp<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Den 2012-10-21 12.22, skrev "Koos de Heer" <<a href="koos@auryn.nl">koos@auryn.nl</a>>:<BR>
>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">>>> Hi Chris, <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> I am not sure I understand what you mean when you say that the law of two <BR>
>>> feet<BR>
>>> applies. If it means as much as "This is Open Space, love it or leave it," I<BR>
>>> feel compelled to say that I don't support that.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Of course I can walk out of a session if I am feeling that I am neither<BR>
>>> learning nor contributing. But if I have the idea that the Open Space<BR>
>>> gathering as a whole could use improvements in the way it is run, referring <BR>
>>> to<BR>
>>> the law of two feet can become a way to evade a discussion that needs to <BR>
>>> take<BR>
>>> place. It can take place at a later date, which is what is happening now and<BR>
>>> that is fine. <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Koos<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Op 20 okt. 2012 om 21:23 heeft Chris Corrigan <<a href="chris.corrigan@gmail.com">chris.corrigan@gmail.com</a>> het<BR>
>>> volgende geschreven:<BR>
>>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#800080">>>>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent<BR>
>>>> along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't <BR>
>>>> helped<BR>
>>>> by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS in a <BR>
>>>> way<BR>
>>>> that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a critique of<BR>
>>>> the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't critiquing the<BR>
>>>> facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful critique without <BR>
>>>> it<BR>
>>>> seeming personal.<BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general <BR>
>>>> my<BR>
>>>> take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning<BR>
>>>> or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes<BR>
>>>> things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a <BR>
>>>> process<BR>
>>>> seems too dependant on them is rational madness.<BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> Chris<BR>
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> Thought you might enjoy this voice from the larger field. With a special bow <BR>
> to you, Phelim, and with appreciation for the amazing way you brought Glass' <BR>
> Satyagraha to life.<BR>
> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> From: "Tricycle: The Buddhist Review" <<a href="tricycle@tricycle.com">tricycle@tricycle.com</a>><BR>
>> Date: October 21, 2012, 12:02:08 AM MST<BR>
>> To: <a href="christine@innovationpartners.com">christine@innovationpartners.com</a><BR>
>> Subject: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012<BR>
>> Reply-To: <a href="tricycle@tricycle.com">tricycle@tricycle.com</a><BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Tricycle Daily Dharma October 21, 2012<BR>
>> Awakening Our Senses<BR>
>> <BR>
>> The problem with listening, of course, is that we don't. There's too much <BR>
>> noise going on in our heads, so we never hear anything. The inner <BR>
>> conversation simply never stops. It can be our voice or whatever voices we <BR>
>> want to supply, but it's a constant racket. In the same way we don't see, and <BR>
>> in the same way we don't feel, we don't touch, we don't taste.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> - Philip Glass, "Listening to Philip Glass"<BR>
>> Read the entire article in the Tricycle Wisdom Collection through October <BR>
>> 23rd, 2012 <BR>
>> For full access at any time, become a Tricycle Community Supporting or <BR>
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>> Today on Tricycle<BR>
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>> Vishvapani Blomfield continues his retreat with "Communicating with Meaning," <BR>
>> an examination of our intentions across all forms of communication?from <BR>
>> jokes, to television, to dharma talks?suggesting the primacy of intention <BR>
>> over subject matter in regards to Right Speech. Vishvapani encourages us to <BR>
>> reflect more fully on our inner values and motivations that inform our <BR>
>> speech, enabling us to better abstain from frivolous, meaningless speech, and <BR>
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>> THIS WEEK: PILGRIMAGE SPECIAL SECTION <BR>
>> Pilgrimage has a rich religious background in Buddhist history. It is <BR>
>> traditionally linked to devotion and faith, and the spiritual merit conferred <BR>
>> by visiting sacred sites. Contemporary pilgrimage, by contrast, usually has <BR>
>> more to do with the spirit with which you embark on your journey than with <BR>
>> any special power associated with the site itself. Wherever they happen to be <BR>
>> going, pilgrims today often take the attitude that by its very nature, travel <BR>
>> can reveal essential Buddhist truths. Our special section on pilgrimage <BR>
>> explores these themes and more with an essay by perpetual pilgrim Pico Iyer, <BR>
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>> turn. Tsk. But how about that juicy piece of gossip floating around the <BR>
>> office? Or that Facebook post, tweet, or email flameout you?d rather forget? <BR>
>> Tricycle Teachings: Right Speech offers compassionate words of advice for all <BR>
>> of us who at times have used our words as weapons, and describes the tools <BR>
>> and methods used by skillful speakers to turn thoughts into expressions of <BR>
>> wisdom and peace. For Supporting and Sustaining Members only. Join the <BR>
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>> Being in the World asks whether we have forgotten what it means to be truly <BR>
>> human in today's technological age, and proceeds to answer this question by <BR>
>> taking a journey around the world to meet a whole host of remarkable <BR>
>> individuals, including Manuel Molina, the legendary poet and flamenco master; <BR>
>> Leah Chase, affectionately known as the Queen of Creole Cuisine; and Hiroshi <BR>
>> Sakaguchi, a master carpenter from Japan. By showing how these modern day <BR>
>> masters approach life from within their chosen fields, Ruspoli's film <BR>
>> celebrates the ability of human beings to find meaning in the world through <BR>
>> the mastery of physical, intellectual, and creative skills. Now available <BR>
>> exclusively from Alive Mind Cinema on DVD. Buy the DVD.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> From: Christine Whitney Sanchez <<a href="christine@innovationpartners.com">christine@innovationpartners.com</a>><BR>
>> Date: October 21, 2012, 4:07:10 PM MST<BR>
>> To: Open Space List <<a href="oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>><BR>
>> Subject: Fwd: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Thought you might enjoy this voice from the larger field. With a special bow <BR>
>> to you, Phelim, and with appreciation for the amazing way you brought Glass' <BR>
>> Satyagraha to life.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Sent from my iPhone<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Begin forwarded message:<BR>
>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">>>> From: "Tricycle: The Buddhist Review" <<a href="tricycle@tricycle.com">tricycle@tricycle.com</a>><BR>
>>> Date: October 21, 2012, 12:02:08 AM MST<BR>
>>> To: <a href="christine@innovationpartners.com">christine@innovationpartners.com</a><BR>
>>> Subject: Awakening Our Senses - Tricycle Daily Dharma, October 21, 2012<BR>
>>> Reply-To: <a href="tricycle@tricycle.com">tricycle@tricycle.com</a><BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Tricycle Daily Dharma October 21, 2012<BR>
>>> Awakening Our Senses<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> The problem with listening, of course, is that we don't. There's too much <BR>
>>> noise going on in our heads, so we never hear anything. The inner <BR>
>>> conversation simply never stops. It can be our voice or whatever voices we <BR>
>>> want to supply, but it's a constant racket. In the same way we don't see, <BR>
>>> and in the same way we don't feel, we don't touch, we don't taste.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> - Philip Glass, "Listening to Philip Glass"<BR>
>>> Read the entire article in the Tricycle Wisdom Collection through October <BR>
>>> 23rd, 2012 <BR>
>>> For full access at any time, become a Tricycle Community Supporting or <BR>
>>> Sustaining Member<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Today on Tricycle<BR>
>>> SPONSORED LINKS<BR>
>>> WEEK 3 OF RIGHT SPEECH ONLINE RETREAT<BR>
>>> Vishvapani Blomfield continues his retreat with "Communicating with <BR>
>>> Meaning," an examination of our intentions across all forms of <BR>
>>> communication?from jokes, to television, to dharma talks?suggesting the <BR>
>>> primacy of intention over subject matter in regards to Right Speech. <BR>
>>> Vishvapani encourages us to reflect more fully on our inner values and <BR>
>>> motivations that inform our speech, enabling us to better abstain from <BR>
>>> frivolous, meaningless speech, and direct language in a highly charged, <BR>
>>> refined way that is conducive to genuine communication. This week is <BR>
>>> exclusively available to sustaining and supporting members of Tricycle. Join <BR>
>>> the retreat.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> THIS WEEK: PILGRIMAGE SPECIAL SECTION <BR>
>>> Pilgrimage has a rich religious background in Buddhist history. It is <BR>
>>> traditionally linked to devotion and faith, and the spiritual merit <BR>
>>> conferred by visiting sacred sites. Contemporary pilgrimage, by contrast, <BR>
>>> usually has more to do with the spirit with which you embark on your journey <BR>
>>> than with any special power associated with the site itself. Wherever they <BR>
>>> happen to be going, pilgrims today often take the attitude that by its very <BR>
>>> nature, travel can reveal essential Buddhist truths. Our special section on <BR>
>>> pilgrimage explores these themes and more with an essay by perpetual pilgrim <BR>
>>> Pico Iyer, "The Long Road to Sitting Still," and an interview with the <BR>
>>> "atheist pilgrim" Stephen Batchelor. Read about pilgrimage.<BR>
>>> = member supported content<BR>
>>> Free E-Book!<BR>
>>> Are you right? How about your speech? It?s that time of year when the mud <BR>
>>> flies fast and furious, and the blogosphere cries ?wrong? and ?foul? at <BR>
>>> every turn. Tsk. But how about that juicy piece of gossip floating around <BR>
>>> the office? Or that Facebook post, tweet, or email flameout you?d rather <BR>
>>> forget? Tricycle Teachings: Right Speech offers compassionate words of <BR>
>>> advice for all of us who at times have used our words as weapons, and <BR>
>>> describes the tools and methods used by skillful speakers to turn thoughts <BR>
>>> into expressions of wisdom and peace. For Supporting and Sustaining Members <BR>
>>> only. Join the Tricycle Community and get the free e-book now.<BR>
>>> Being in the World<BR>
>>> Being in the World asks whether we have forgotten what it means to be truly <BR>
>>> human in today's technological age, and proceeds to answer this question by <BR>
>>> taking a journey around the world to meet a whole host of remarkable <BR>
>>> individuals, including Manuel Molina, the legendary poet and flamenco <BR>
>>> master; Leah Chase, affectionately known as the Queen of Creole Cuisine; and <BR>
>>> Hiroshi Sakaguchi, a master carpenter from Japan. By showing how these <BR>
>>> modern day masters approach life from within their chosen fields, Ruspoli's <BR>
>>> film celebrates the ability of human beings to find meaning in the world <BR>
>>> through the mastery of physical, intellectual, and creative skills. Now <BR>
>>> available exclusively from Alive Mind Cinema on DVD. Buy the DVD.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
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> Thanks for this lively conversation, folks.<BR>
> <BR>
> I just want to echo what Michael Herman said- viva simplicity (by the way we <BR>
> do have a good relatively recent example of this-- and that's the OSonOS By <BR>
> The Sea events...); and while I could not make London, I could tell from a <BR>
> distance that a lot of love, care, warmth, and inspiration went into the <BR>
> preparations and hats off again to my friends and colleagues across the Great <BR>
> Pond.<BR>
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> warmly,<BR>
> raffi<BR>
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> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 23:35:00 -0700<BR>
> From: Chris Corrigan <<a href="chris.corrigan@gmail.com">chris.corrigan@gmail.com</a>><BR>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Peggy plus OST Linkedin Comment<BR>
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> Having been on the hosting team for OSonOS IX, I echo what you write here <BR>
> Phelim?I sometimes equated my experience of opening space for all of my <BR>
> colleagues as "telling jokes to comedians." It's not easy, but it's fun and <BR>
> once you've done it - as Michael Herman said to me - "you're in deep." <BR>
> <BR>
> So welcome to being in deep! <BR>
> <BR>
> Love right back to you...<BR>
> <BR>
> Chris<BR>
> <BR>
> PS and asking an acclaimed Broadway director "can you handle criticism?" is a <BR>
> bit rich, and pretty funny. Like asking the sun, "So you think you're hot <BR>
> eh?" The answer is an obvious, "well - yes. What's you're point?" :-)<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
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> On 2012-10-20, at 1:46 PM, Phelim McDermott wrote:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#008000">>> Chris<BR>
>> <BR>
>> I agree with you. I'm fine with the critique. Different strokes for different <BR>
>> folks. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I think the difficulty is what you pinpoint. It's hard to reply and have a <BR>
>> constructive conversation when it's not directly addressed to myself and the <BR>
>> hosting team and seems like a veiled passive aggressive attack especially <BR>
>> considering how it is being disseminated with provocative headlines of the <BR>
>> "can you handle criticism" kind. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I wonder what the intention behind the communication is? <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I also think this raises the issue of what WOSonOS is....<BR>
>> <BR>
>> Is it a celebration and a meeting of a community who share? Not just an open <BR>
>> space event but the creation of a welcoming gathering space in which people <BR>
>> work on being a community and honour the history of the event. Or on the <BR>
>> other end of the scale is it where we come and check out how other people "do <BR>
>> or facilitate open space" and critique and score it? <BR>
>> <BR>
>> I know that WOSonOS is not an open space event for a client And Personally <BR>
>> I'm in for celebrating diversity of style in event and facilitation. It was <BR>
>> one of the reasons we were encouraged to invite by the international OS <BR>
>> community we are a theatre company and our event had small touch of that <BR>
>> style... if only a touch. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> And Paul if you're on the list I would love to engage in a conversation about <BR>
>> this. <BR>
>> <BR>
>> Love <BR>
>> Phelim <BR>
>> <BR>
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>> On 20 Oct 2012, at 21:23, Chris Corrigan <<a href="chris.corrigan@gmail.com">chris.corrigan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">>>> The critique in the article is fine. And the subsequent link Phelim sent <BR>
>>> along is fine too. Paul's tone is a bit jarring and his argument isn't <BR>
>>> helped by making a lot of generalized statements. Also he critiques WOSonOS <BR>
>>> in a way that makes it hard to separate his critique if the event from a <BR>
>>> critique of the team, even though he later clarifies that he wasn't <BR>
>>> critiquing the facilitator. It's tricky to make a forceful and powerful <BR>
>>> critique without it seeming personal. <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> My response to these posts is that Paul is right in substance. In general my <BR>
>>> take in things is that the Law of Two Feet applies. If you are not learning <BR>
>>> or contributing find some way or some where that you can. That's what makes <BR>
>>> things better. Obviously expecting others to change the way the way a <BR>
>>> process seems too dependant on them is rational madness. <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Chris<BR>
>>> -- <BR>
>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN<BR>
>>> Harvest Moon Consultants<BR>
>>> www.chriscorrigan.com<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Art of Hosting - Participatory Leadership and Social Collaboration, Bowen <BR>
>>> Island, BC<BR>
>>> November 12-15 2012 <BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Art of Hosting in Faith Based Communities, Salt Lake City, Utah<BR>
>>> November 28th - December 1, 2012<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> On 2012-10-20, at 5:09 AM, "<a href="alan@alanhalford.com.au">alan@alanhalford.com.au</a>" <BR>
>>> <<a href="alan@alanhalford.com.au">alan@alanhalford.com.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
>>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#800080">>>>> Just spent a delicious three days co-learning with Peggy Holman here in <BR>
>>>> Perth then I read this - <BR>
>>>> So, what's possible now?<BR>
>>>> <a href="http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-">http://rationalmadness.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-tragic-re-imprisonment-</a><BR>
>>>> of-open-space/<BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> take care out there<BR>
>>>> alan <BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> www.alanhalford.com.au<BR>
>>>> 0421 475 252<BR>
>>>> skype: alanhalford<BR>
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