[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18

Sun Dec 23 19:24:50 PST 2012

Thanks, Harrison. Just started reading Wave Rider earlier today! Thanks for
the vote of confidence and the reframe.  Will surely post about the
progress.

--Susan

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> From: Susan Geller <sgeller at umn.edu>
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> Hi, all.  I am new to this list.  I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS
> group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here.  I am somewhat new
> to OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through
> Art of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS.
>  During that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team
> of people at a large institution on a two year project.
>
> We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour
> meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and
> the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of
> whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can
> really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from
> people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being
> together.
>
> We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us
> working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in
> OS.  I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our
> work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For
> example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting
> ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or
> assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame).  It can be
> continued in whatever way that group identifies.
>
> My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and
> end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to
> know and/or work on?"  as a way of bringing the conversations back to the
> center.
>
> It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of
> the logistics of having people attend virtually.  It will work better if I
> have the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web
> cam devoted to each break out.  So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how
> many spaces I should be preparing.  I'm thinking 4.
>
> I'm interested in what you think about all of this.  What might I be
> thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our
> structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to
> my challenge?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --Susan
>
> Susan B. Geller
> Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota
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> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
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> Susan - Fun project! And I have some thoughts. First is that I wouldn't
> worry too much about the formal Open Spaces and how to arrange them. I
> believe that will fall out naturally and they will be useful and productive
> - but much more useful and more productive will be seeing your total
> collective effort as ALL taking place in Open Space. Seen this way there
> will be no beginning or end but only a difference in mode and intensity.
> Said a little differently, it is all open space, just sometimes it is
> engaged in a more formal fashion (sit in circle, create bulletin board.),
> as
> need and occasion require. As for the 4 (really 5) principles and the one
> law, they have always been DE-scriptive and not PRE-scriptive. Which is to
> say they will happen anyway, that is just the way life is.  Of course,
> being
> aware of them is useful, just as it is useful to be aware of any
> fundamental
> fact of life. Something about the unexamined life being less than fully
> livable.
>
>
>
> My suggestion has nothing to do with the notion of "Doing your Project as
> Open Space," as if you really had any choice. Unless I have totally missed
> the boat (quite possible) we can't choose to be self organizing (live in
> open space) - that is just the way things are, much like our  relationship
> to gravity. Comes with the territory. We can, however choose to fight city
> hall, and seek to impose our own notions of how things ought to be - which
> is what happens when we attempt to organize a self organizing system. As I
> have said ad nauseam - that is not only an oxymoron, but stupid, and also a
> waste of time. So the first, and really only thought/suggestion is that
> your project is already "in open space" (like all the rest of life) - and
> the major question is how to behave in useful, appropriate, and productive
> ways.
>
>
>
> Given this perspective, Open Space events are simply training programs for
> life. They may also (usually do) have specific positive outcomes (plans
> made, designs created, etc) but at the end of the day the major gift is to
> build our awareness and skills for living. After 27 years and 100's of
> thousands of iterations, I think we have built a small knowledge base
> relating to how all of this can be well done. Interestingly, virtually none
> of this learning is all that original - but so often we forget, and it is
> nice to have a refresher course.
>
>
>
> So as you prepare for your project, I suggest you worry less about how to
> do
> OSTs and rather more about how to acknowledge and optimize life in open
> space every day. The events will take care of themselves. And where to
> start? I think you are already at the starting line, given your experience
> with the Art of Hosting. It all begins with Invitation.
>
>
>
> What can happen next will be multiple and various for there have been lots
> of people doing lots of learning. My take of the state of affairs is laid
> out in the second part of my book, "Wave Rider", called "The Wave Rider's
> Guide to the Future."
>
>
>
> Susan, thanks for sharing - and I for one look forward to your next
> installment!
>
>
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> Harrison
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>
> Hi, all.  I am new to this list.  I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS
> group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here.  I am somewhat new
> to
> OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through
> Art
> of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS.  During
> that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team of people
> at a large institution on a two year project.
>
>
>
> We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour
> meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and
> the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of
> whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can
> really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from
> people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being
> together.
>
>
>
> We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us
> working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in
> OS.  I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our
> work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For
> example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting
> ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or
> assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame).  It can be
> continued in whatever way that group identifies.
>
>
>
> My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and
> end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to
> know and/or work on?"  as a way of bringing the conversations back to the
> center.
>
>
>
> It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of
> the
> logistics of having people attend virtually.  It will work better if I have
> the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web cam
> devoted to each break out.  So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how many
> spaces I should be preparing.  I'm thinking 4.
>
>
>
> I'm interested in what you think about all of this.  What might I be
> thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our
> structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to
> my challenge?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> --Susan
>
>
>
> Susan B. Geller
>
> Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota
>
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Susan B. Geller
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