Thanks, Harrison. Just started reading Wave Rider earlier today! Thanks for the vote of confidence and the reframe. Will surely post about the progress. <div><br></div><div>--Susan</div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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Hi, all. I am new to this list. I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS<br>
group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here. I am somewhat new<br>
to OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through<br>
Art of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS.<br>
During that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team<br>
of people at a large institution on a two year project.<br>
<br>
We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour<br>
meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and<br>
the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of<br>
whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can<br>
really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from<br>
people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being<br>
together.<br>
<br>
We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us<br>
working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in<br>
OS. I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our<br>
work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For<br>
example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting<br>
ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or<br>
assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame). It can be<br>
continued in whatever way that group identifies.<br>
<br>
My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and<br>
end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to<br>
know and/or work on?" as a way of bringing the conversations back to the<br>
center.<br>
<br>
It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of<br>
the logistics of having people attend virtually. It will work better if I<br>
have the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web<br>
cam devoted to each break out. So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how<br>
many spaces I should be preparing. I'm thinking 4.<br>
<br>
I'm interested in what you think about all of this. What might I be<br>
thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our<br>
structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to<br>
my challenge?<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
--Susan<br>
<br>
Susan B. Geller<br>
Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota<br>
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Susan - Fun project! And I have some thoughts. First is that I wouldn't<br>
worry too much about the formal Open Spaces and how to arrange them. I<br>
believe that will fall out naturally and they will be useful and productive<br>
- but much more useful and more productive will be seeing your total<br>
collective effort as ALL taking place in Open Space. Seen this way there<br>
will be no beginning or end but only a difference in mode and intensity.<br>
Said a little differently, it is all open space, just sometimes it is<br>
engaged in a more formal fashion (sit in circle, create bulletin board.), as<br>
need and occasion require. As for the 4 (really 5) principles and the one<br>
law, they have always been DE-scriptive and not PRE-scriptive. Which is to<br>
say they will happen anyway, that is just the way life is. Of course, being<br>
aware of them is useful, just as it is useful to be aware of any fundamental<br>
fact of life. Something about the unexamined life being less than fully<br>
livable.<br>
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My suggestion has nothing to do with the notion of "Doing your Project as<br>
Open Space," as if you really had any choice. Unless I have totally missed<br>
the boat (quite possible) we can't choose to be self organizing (live in<br>
open space) - that is just the way things are, much like our relationship<br>
to gravity. Comes with the territory. We can, however choose to fight city<br>
hall, and seek to impose our own notions of how things ought to be - which<br>
is what happens when we attempt to organize a self organizing system. As I<br>
have said ad nauseam - that is not only an oxymoron, but stupid, and also a<br>
waste of time. So the first, and really only thought/suggestion is that<br>
your project is already "in open space" (like all the rest of life) - and<br>
the major question is how to behave in useful, appropriate, and productive<br>
ways.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Given this perspective, Open Space events are simply training programs for<br>
life. They may also (usually do) have specific positive outcomes (plans<br>
made, designs created, etc) but at the end of the day the major gift is to<br>
build our awareness and skills for living. After 27 years and 100's of<br>
thousands of iterations, I think we have built a small knowledge base<br>
relating to how all of this can be well done. Interestingly, virtually none<br>
of this learning is all that original - but so often we forget, and it is<br>
nice to have a refresher course.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
So as you prepare for your project, I suggest you worry less about how to do<br>
OSTs and rather more about how to acknowledge and optimize life in open<br>
space every day. The events will take care of themselves. And where to<br>
start? I think you are already at the starting line, given your experience<br>
with the Art of Hosting. It all begins with Invitation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
What can happen next will be multiple and various for there have been lots<br>
of people doing lots of learning. My take of the state of affairs is laid<br>
out in the second part of my book, "Wave Rider", called "The Wave Rider's<br>
Guide to the Future."<br>
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Susan, thanks for sharing - and I for one look forward to your next<br>
installment!<br>
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Hi, all. I am new to this list. I posted this question to the LinkedIn OS<br>
group and was encouraged by Lisa Heft to post it here. I am somewhat new to<br>
OS as well, having first been introduced to it about 1.5 yrs ago through Art<br>
of Hosting. I recently attended a full day workshop on OS in OS. During<br>
that day of workshop I worked on the idea of using OS with a team of people<br>
at a large institution on a two year project.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We start working together early in 2013. We will have weekly 2 hour<br>
meetings. The people in the room will be the leadership of the project and<br>
the staff working on the project - about 20 people all together, four of<br>
whom will be attending virtually (via Google Hangout). I think OST can<br>
really help this group work together well. I am looking for some input from<br>
people who have worked with a team over time using OST as a way of being<br>
together.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We have a 1/2 day together will we will be in OS around the theme of us<br>
working together. And, then thereafter our 2 hour meetings will be held in<br>
OS. I have thought about the way we can use the principles to guide our<br>
work even to the extent they seem to be contradicted by our frame. For<br>
example "it's over when it's over" means that even if our 2 hour meeting<br>
ends, if the topic is not complete, we don't need to say it is done or<br>
assign it as an "action item" (traditional meeting frame). It can be<br>
continued in whatever way that group identifies.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
My current thinking is that we'll start each gathering in a marketplace and<br>
end each gathering with the question "what does our entire group need to<br>
know and/or work on?" as a way of bringing the conversations back to the<br>
center.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
It will be hard for me to add spaces on the fly to these meetings b/c of the<br>
logistics of having people attend virtually. It will work better if I have<br>
the google hangouts created from the start and have an external web cam<br>
devoted to each break out. So, I'm wondering for a group of 20 how many<br>
spaces I should be preparing. I'm thinking 4.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm interested in what you think about all of this. What might I be<br>
thinking about? How can the core principles of OST help guide us given our<br>
structural limitations? What have you learned by doing something similar to<br>
my challenge?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--Susan<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Susan B. Geller<br>
<br>
Project Director, Enterprise Portal, University of Minnesota<br>
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