Utensil
Ralph Copleman
rcopleman at comcast.net
Sat Jul 4 07:00:37 PDT 2009
That's it, of course, Michael. Open space is a utensil.
You accepted my our gift of a measuring cup (for, among other things,
measuring out the years of our friendship) and spurned my offer of the
free book. Beacuse you're writing. Good. Raises this question: what
is the difference between summer writing and writing done in other
seasons?
Ralph
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 08:58:09 -0400
> From: Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Reading and sustaining
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> Hi all,
>
> I've never understood the distinction between "summer reading" and
> reading done during other seasons. Perhaps, because I don't like
> spending time on the beach, I have never really had a specifically
> summer-ish reading experience. Nevertheless I shall await suggestions
> on this topic with interest. Good novels are great treasures. And I
> throw in this recommendation: Prodigal Summer by the American writer
> Barbara Kingsolver. I'd be happy to give away my copy to anyone who
> requests it.
>
> On the topic of how we foster sustainable OS outcomes, my first
> reaction is, we can't. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I believe it is
> not up to me (as a facilitator) to foster anything. I open space,
> hold space, and close space. That's all I can do. Unless I'm
> consulting to a system over a longer period than actual OS event, I
> have no other responsibility. And even then, I'm not sure my job is
> any different.
>
> Ralph Copleman
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> -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi all,<div><br></
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> never understood the distinction between "summer reading" and
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> time on the beach, I have never really had a specifically summer-ish =
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> this =
> topic with interest. Good novels are great treasures. And I
> throw =
> in this recommendation: <i>Prodigal Summer</i> by the American
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> Barbara Kingsolver. I'd be happy to give away my copy to
> anyone =
> who requests it.</div><div><br></div><div>On the topic of how we
> foster =
> sustainable OS outcomes, my =
> first reaction is, we can't. Perhaps I =
> misunderstand, but I believe it is not up to me (as a facilitator)
> to =
> foster anything. I open space, hold space, and close space. =
> That's all I can do. Unless I'm consulting to a system
> over =
> a longer period than actual OS event, I have no other
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:50:16 +0200
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.org>
> Subject: Re: Reading and sustaining
>
> Dear Ralph,
> if I were near your house I would walk over and get that novel and
> maybe
> another nice kitchen utensil...the one you so graciously gave to me
> about a decade ago has provided the most sustainable link to anyone I
> ever had. Its not only in a prominent place in our kitchen so I can
> easily reach it but its also in constant use reminding me of you and
> your family and your hospitality...so much for not fostering
> sustainability (I know you did this solely in your role as
> "facilitator for sustainability" which is probably another way of
> saying
> "friend").
>
> I also think its none of my business as open space facilitator to
> foster
> things like "sustainability of outcome" or anything else.
> I dont even think I am openening the space since the sponsor has
> already
> done that before I walk the circle. Yes, "holding time and space" is
> my
> business between the sponsors opening and closing...whatever that
> might be.
> Doing that I think I am fostering something.
> I like it simple, so I call that which I am fostering (it starts with
> the first contact with the client and continues throughout the
> planning
> phase...) the conditions under which selforganisation can rear its
> happy
> head a little more than usual (having done that since the Big Bang and
> probably even before that without me or anyone else in my experience
> contributing to that).
> And that is simple (with OST) but its not always easy considering the
> enormous effort spent in man-made organisations and systems to keep
> selforganisation strictly confined and under control.
> Now, when selforganisation does get busier than usual, as is
> observabel
> in os-events, all kinds of stuff happens. Some of it some of us love
> and
> others fear: peacefulness, conflicts surfacing, fun communication,
> destruction of leadership, emergence of new leadership, productive
> exchanges and planning, projects being declared dead, being involved,
> contributing, dismantling of control, projects that project beyond the
> event, a spirit that sometimes hangs on in organisations till they
> die,
> people walking away from what interests me, getting a feeling for the
> whole system, no longer relying on sustainable outcomes, new
> hierarchies, sudden realisation that I am in the wrong place,
> community,
> etc.).
> Considering all that I am privileged every time I am asked to
> faciliate
> an open space and I thank the group for that privilege in the closing
> circle.
>
> As far as (summer) reading is concerned I just saw the title
> "The Organisation of Self-Organisation", Foundations of Systemic
> Management by Fritz B. Simons / Conecta, ISBN 978-3-89670-447-4.
> Since my summer and probably even fall is full with writing, I
> appreciate it if someone who gets it for her or his summer reading to
> let me know whats behind this oxymoron.
> And in case you are in Berlin this coming Monday, join us in our
> Stammtisch, selforganized, of course.
> Have a great weekend and a safe 4th of July in the USA...us expacts
> having been warned of getting too close to other USexpats for
> celebrating the 233rd birthday...
> mmp
>
> Ralph Copleman wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've never understood the distinction between "summer reading" and
>> reading done during other seasons. Perhaps, because I don't like
>> spending time on the beach, I have never really had a specifically
>> summer-ish reading experience. Nevertheless I shall await
>> suggestions
>> on this topic with interest. Good novels are great treasures. And I
>> throw in this recommendation: Prodigal Summer by the American writer
>> Barbara Kingsolver. I'd be happy to give away my copy to anyone who
>> requests it.
>>
>> On the topic of how we foster sustainable OS outcomes, my first
>> reaction
>> is, we can't. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I believe it is not up
>> to me
>> (as a facilitator) to foster anything. I open space, hold space, and
>> close space. That's all I can do. Unless I'm consulting to a system
>> over a longer period than actual OS event, I have no other
>> responsibility. And even then, I'm not sure my job is any different.
>>
>> Ralph Copleman
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:08:02 -0500
> From: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> Subject: how do i say...
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> my friend birrell walsh posted this to another list community i'm
> part of.
> i thought it captured so well what we did and must belong here in our
> record, as well. enjoy...
>
>
>>
>> "How do I say, in your language,
>> to allow a space to open
>> inside oneself, no - *as* oneself -
>> and in that space to have
>> such welcoming that others
>> come there too, not as images,
>> no, but *as* themselves;
>> and in unfolding as themselves
>> within the spacing you are being-as
>> they find ease and freedom (by the way)
>> to be well. How do I say that,
>> in your language," he, moving his tongue
>> around unfamiliar syllables, asked
>> so he could teach me.
>>
>
>
> if you like this, you might like some of his other poetry. he has a
> book
> posted at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/heart-left-open/6660565
> .
> there are two of his favorite poems there, on the lulu product page.
>
> in case you're inspired to purchase, it's worth noting that given
> the weird
> economics of publishing right now, he makes more money from the
> download
> (US$5.00 to the purchaser) than from the printed copy (US$22.00 plus
> shipping). but of course, hardcopy is still hardcopy. the book
> itself is
> beautiful, very well and sturdily made, and with a remarkable cover
> photograph from the collection of another friend, one radmila
> krieger, of
> munich.
>
> if you want to know what birrell actually looks and sounds like, or
> just
> want somebody to read poems to you, he read twelve of his poems into
> his
> webcam and posted it at
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2217241E5367EB2A
>
> or maybe it's enough just to enjoy this one, that seems to
> understand our
> work so well.
>
> m
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
>
> http://www.michaelherman.com
> http://www.ronanparktrail.com
> http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org
> http://www.openspaceworld.org
>
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
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> my friend birrell walsh posted this to another list community
> i'm part =
> of.=A0 i thought it captured so well what we did and must belong
> here in ou=
> r record, as well.=A0 enjoy...<br><br><br>><br>
> > "How do I say, in your language,<br>
> > to allow a space to open<br>
> > inside oneself, no - *as* oneself -<br>
> > and in that space to have<br>
> > such welcoming that others<br>
> > come there too, not as images,<br>
> > no, but *as* themselves;<br>
> > and in unfolding as themselves<br>
> > within the spacing you are being-as<br>
> > they find ease and freedom (by the way)<br>
> > to be well. How do I say that,<br>
> > in your language," he, moving his tongue<br>
> > around unfamiliar syllables, asked<br>
> > so he could teach me.<br>
> ><br>
> <br><br>if you like this, you might like some of his other
> poetry.=A0 he ha=
> s a book posted at <a href=3D"http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/he=
> art-left-open/6660565" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lulu.com/content/paperb=
> ack-book/heart-left-open/6660565</a> .=A0 there are two of his
> favorite poe=
> ms there, on the lulu product page.<br>
>
> <br>in case you're inspired to purchase, it's worth noting
> that giv=
> en the weird economics of publishing right now, he makes more money
> from the download (US$5.00 to the purchaser) than from the printed
> copy
> (US$22.00 plus shipping).=A0 but of course, hardcopy is still
> hardcopy.=A0 =
> the
> book itself is beautiful, very well and sturdily made, and with a
> remarkabl=
> e
> cover photograph from the collection of another friend, one radmila
> krieger=
> , of munich.<br>
> <br>if you want to know what birrell actually looks and sounds like,
> or jus=
> t want somebody to read poems to you, he read twelve of his poems
> into his =
> webcam and posted it at <a href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=
> =3D2217241E5367EB2A" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis=
> t?p=3D2217241E5367EB2A</a><br>
>
> <br clear=3D"all"> or maybe it's enough just to enjoy this one,
> that se=
> ems to understand our work so well.<br><br>m<br><br><br><br>--
> <br><br>Micha=
> el Herman<br>Michael Herman Associates<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.michael
> =
> herman.com">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.ronanparktrail.com">http://www.ronanparktrail.com
> </a>=
> <br><a href=3D"http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org">http://www.chicagoc
> =
> onservationcorps.org</a><br><a href=3D"http://
> www.openspaceworld.org">http:=
> //www.openspaceworld.org</a><br>
> <br>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:34:44 -0400
> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Reading and sustaining
>
> Michael -- I love you! You miserable old iconoclast (MOI). You are
> miserable
> because you make me laugh, Old -- because you and I are almost of an
> age.
> And an iconoclast because you are a blood brother. The circle of
> MOI's is
> actually a large one, but the membership is strictly controlled, and
> access
> granted only to those with the proper thought forms and secret
> handshakes.
> And since all thought forms are suspect, this is a great difficulty
> for The
> Circle. How on earth do you determine somebody to be a heretic when
> everybody is?? But our tribe increases!
>
> See you in The Circle -- Don't forget the handshake. You will
> probably also
> need to bring Ralph's cooking utensil so we will know that you are
> authentic.
>
> Harrison
>
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> Pannwitz
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 11:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: Reading and sustaining
>
> Dear Ralph,
> if I were near your house I would walk over and get that novel and
> maybe
> another nice kitchen utensil...the one you so graciously gave to me
> about a decade ago has provided the most sustainable link to anyone I
> ever had. Its not only in a prominent place in our kitchen so I can
> easily reach it but its also in constant use reminding me of you and
> your family and your hospitality...so much for not fostering
> sustainability (I know you did this solely in your role as
> "facilitator for sustainability" which is probably another way of
> saying
> "friend").
>
> I also think its none of my business as open space facilitator to
> foster
> things like "sustainability of outcome" or anything else.
> I dont even think I am openening the space since the sponsor has
> already
> done that before I walk the circle. Yes, "holding time and space" is
> my
> business between the sponsors opening and closing...whatever that
> might be.
> Doing that I think I am fostering something.
> I like it simple, so I call that which I am fostering (it starts with
> the first contact with the client and continues throughout the
> planning
> phase...) the conditions under which selforganisation can rear its
> happy
> head a little more than usual (having done that since the Big Bang and
> probably even before that without me or anyone else in my experience
> contributing to that).
> And that is simple (with OST) but its not always easy considering the
> enormous effort spent in man-made organisations and systems to keep
> selforganisation strictly confined and under control.
> Now, when selforganisation does get busier than usual, as is
> observabel
> in os-events, all kinds of stuff happens. Some of it some of us love
> and
> others fear: peacefulness, conflicts surfacing, fun communication,
> destruction of leadership, emergence of new leadership, productive
> exchanges and planning, projects being declared dead, being involved,
> contributing, dismantling of control, projects that project beyond the
> event, a spirit that sometimes hangs on in organisations till they
> die,
> people walking away from what interests me, getting a feeling for the
> whole system, no longer relying on sustainable outcomes, new
> hierarchies, sudden realisation that I am in the wrong place,
> community,
> etc.).
> Considering all that I am privileged every time I am asked to
> faciliate
> an open space and I thank the group for that privilege in the closing
> circle.
>
> As far as (summer) reading is concerned I just saw the title
> "The Organisation of Self-Organisation", Foundations of Systemic
> Management by Fritz B. Simons / Conecta, ISBN 978-3-89670-447-4.
> Since my summer and probably even fall is full with writing, I
> appreciate it if someone who gets it for her or his summer reading to
> let me know whats behind this oxymoron.
> And in case you are in Berlin this coming Monday, join us in our
> Stammtisch, selforganized, of course.
> Have a great weekend and a safe 4th of July in the USA...us expacts
> having been warned of getting too close to other USexpats for
> celebrating the 233rd birthday...
> mmp
>
> Ralph Copleman wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've never understood the distinction between "summer reading" and
>> reading done during other seasons. Perhaps, because I don't like
>> spending time on the beach, I have never really had a specifically
>> summer-ish reading experience. Nevertheless I shall await
>> suggestions
>> on this topic with interest. Good novels are great treasures. And I
>> throw in this recommendation: Prodigal Summer by the American writer
>> Barbara Kingsolver. I'd be happy to give away my copy to anyone who
>> requests it.
>>
>> On the topic of how we foster sustainable OS outcomes, my first
>> reaction
>> is, we can't. Perhaps I misunderstand, but I believe it is not up
>> to me
>> (as a facilitator) to foster anything. I open space, hold space, and
>> close space. That's all I can do. Unless I'm consulting to a system
>> over a longer period than actual OS event, I have no other
>> responsibility. And even then, I'm not sure my job is any different.
>>
>> Ralph Copleman
>>
>>
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>> *
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> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> ++49-30-772 8000
> mmpanne at boscop.org
> www.boscop.org
>
>
> Check out the Open Space World Map presently showing 448 resident Open
> Space Workers in 71 countries working in a total of 140 countries
> worldwide
> Have a look:
> www.openspaceworldmap.org
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> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:36:56 -0400
> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: how do i say...
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> Michael - I love you too (yet another Michael!), and your gift (from
> Biurrell) is delicious.
>
>
>
> Harrison
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Michael
> Herman
> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:08 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: how do i say...
>
>
>
> my friend birrell walsh posted this to another list community i'm
> part of.
> i thought it captured so well what we did and must belong here in our
> record, as well. enjoy...
>
>
>>
>> "How do I say, in your language,
>> to allow a space to open
>> inside oneself, no - *as* oneself -
>> and in that space to have
>> such welcoming that others
>> come there too, not as images,
>> no, but *as* themselves;
>> and in unfolding as themselves
>> within the spacing you are being-as
>> they find ease and freedom (by the way)
>> to be well. How do I say that,
>> in your language," he, moving his tongue
>> around unfamiliar syllables, asked
>> so he could teach me.
>>
>
>
> if you like this, you might like some of his other poetry. he has a
> book
> posted at http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/heart-left-open/6660565
> . there are two of his favorite poems there, on the lulu product
> page.
>
> in case you're inspired to purchase, it's worth noting that given
> the weird
> economics of publishing right now, he makes more money from the
> download
> (US$5.00 to the purchaser) than from the printed copy (US$22.00 plus
> shipping). but of course, hardcopy is still hardcopy. the book
> itself is
> beautiful, very well and sturdily made, and with a remarkable cover
> photograph from the collection of another friend, one radmila
> krieger, of
> munich.
>
> if you want to know what birrell actually looks and sounds like, or
> just
> want somebody to read poems to you, he read twelve of his poems into
> his
> webcam and posted it at
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2217241E5367EB2A
>
> or maybe it's enough just to enjoy this one, that seems to
> understand our
> work so well.
>
> m
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
>
> http://www.michaelherman.com
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> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, July
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> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 12.0pt'>my friend birrell walsh posted this to another list
> community =
> i'm part
> of. i thought it captured so well what we did and must belong
> here =
> in our
> record, as well. enjoy...<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ><br>
> > "How do I say, in your language,<br>
> > to allow a space to open<br>
> > inside oneself, no - *as* oneself -<br>
> > and in that space to have<br>
> > such welcoming that others<br>
> > come there too, not as images,<br>
> > no, but *as* themselves;<br>
> > and in unfolding as themselves<br>
> > within the spacing you are being-as<br>
> > they find ease and freedom (by the way)<br>
> > to be well. How do I say that,<br>
> > in your language," he, moving his tongue<br>
> > around unfamiliar syllables, asked<br>
> > so he could teach me.<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> if you like this, you might like some of his other poetry. he
> has =
> a book
> posted at <a
> href=3D"http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/heart-left-open/666056=
> 5"
> target=3D"_blank">http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/heart-left-o=
> pen/6660565</a>
> . there are two of his favorite poems there, on the lulu
> product =
> page.<br>
> <br>
> in case you're inspired to purchase, it's worth noting that given
> the =
> weird
> economics of publishing right now, he makes more money from the
> download
> (US$5.00 to the purchaser) than from the printed copy (US$22.00 plus
> shipping). but of course, hardcopy is still hardcopy.
> the =
> book
> itself is beautiful, very well and sturdily made, and with a
> remarkable =
> cover
> photograph from the collection of another friend, one radmila
> krieger, =
> of <st1:City
> w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">munich</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
> <br>
> if you want to know what birrell actually looks and sounds like, or
> just =
> want
> somebody to read poems to you, he read twelve of his poems into his =
> webcam and
> posted it at <a =
> href=3D"http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D2217241E5367EB2A"
> target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D2217241E5367E=
> B2A</a><br>
> <br clear=3Dall>
> or maybe it's enough just to enjoy this one, that seems to
> understand =
> our work
> so well.<br>
> <br>
> m<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> <br>
> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Michael Herman</st1:PersonName><br>
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