On self-organizing

Mon Feb 14 10:14:04 PST 2005

Filiz Wrote: What about the universe as a living system? How can we
speculate on the end of it?

I would guess it will be either a bang or a whisper - depending on whether
you happen to be an expander or imploder. Frankly, my level of competence in
astrophysics is so abysmal, I don't have a clue. But it would seem that the
expanding universe folks seem to have the upper hand at the moment. Either
way, I would be pretty certain that the universe, like every thing else will
end. And in any event, I expect to end well before it does. But who knows.
We may just go out together :-)

Harrison

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Harrison, 

What about the universe as a living system? How can we speculate on the end
of it?

filiz

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Funda - I would believe that answer to your question (do they have to
sustain or survive???.......) is no. Fact of the matter is that all Living
Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning, tolerate
the middle, and don't want to talk about the end. And that leads to all
sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people
actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to
how people talk. It is said - So and so  "passed on," "took the big trip,"
"Passed to the other side" - But it seems that nobody ever dies. The same is
true when we talk about organizations. Somehow they are supposed to live for
ever, and when the end comes that is automatically taken as failure. 

Harrison

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all systems are self organizing but not all systems are living (sustaining)

i don't know 

Funda

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Subject: On self-organizing

My vote goes to:

All systems are self-organizing, and...

There is no such thing as a non-living system.

Ralph Copleman

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