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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Filiz Wrote:</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> What about the universe as a living system? How can we speculate
on the end of it?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>I would guess it will be either a bang or a
whisper – depending on whether you happen to be an expander or imploder. Frankly,
my level of competence in astrophysics is so abysmal, I don’t have a
clue. But it would seem that the expanding universe folks seem to have the
upper hand at the moment. Either way, I would be pretty certain that the
universe, like every thing else will end. And in any event, I expect to end
well before it does. But who knows. We may just go out together </span></font><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Filiz Telek<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 14, 2005
12:33 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2
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size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Harrison, </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>What about the universe
as a living system? How can we speculate on the end of it?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 14, 2005
5:45 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:red'>Funda – I would
believe that answer to your question</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> (do they have to sustain or
survive???.......) </span></font><font color=red face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:red'>is no. Fact of the matter is that all
Living Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning,
tolerate the middle, and don’t want to talk about the end. And that leads
to all sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people
actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to how
people talk. It is said – So and so “passed on,”
“took the big trip,” “Passed to the other side” –
But it seems that nobody ever dies. The same is true when we talk about
organizations. Somehow they are supposed to live for ever, and when the end
comes that is automatically taken as failure. </span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Funda Oral<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 14, 2005 9:00
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: On self-organizing</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>all systems are self organizing but
not all systems are living (sustaining)</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:rcopleman@comcast.net"
title="rcopleman@comcast.net">Ralph Copleman</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face=Times><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Times'>My vote goes to:<br>
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All systems are self-organizing, and...<br>
<br>
There is no such thing as a non-living system.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ralph Copleman<br>
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