[OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?

Fri Jan 21 12:21:09 PST 2022

Mark,

One of the most important things about respectful disagreement is congruence and consistency. I notice the following in your response to Koos:

I said I did not agree with the posted comments.
I guess you feel the vaccine works as promised despite all the deaths we continue to see... good for you.
I have had covid twice, initial round and omicron and killed it with table salt in 4 days.

I am happy to engage in respectful disagreement with those who are willing to be called out on their mental models and I am calling you out, Mark, on your manipulative arguments which will definitely feel like bullying to those who find inconsistency and flip-flopping deeply disrespectful.

Please change the subject because this is going nowhere in terms of learning and appreciation. It certainly does not acknowledge the grief and loss of those who couldn’t kill the virus with ’table salt’ in 4 days. 

kind regards
Amanda

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> On 21 Jan 2022, at 20:06, Mark Carmel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> Koos,
> Thanks for the feedback...You asked why? Because we are supposed to be the Stewards of Open Space, as such we respect opposing viewpoints. Right?   But You feel bullied? Wow, that is from a comment you disagree with?  I said I did not agree with the posted comments just sharing an opposing viewpoint and agreed with John so as to keep haters off my back who seek to sensor comments that go off their desired script.  This shows how closed the world has become to open input, opposing viewpoints, and passionate feelings some folks have.  I guess you feel the vaccine works as promised despite all the deaths we continue to see... good for you. I have had covid twice, initial round and omicron and killed it with table salt in 4 days.. i am happy you dont think anyone is BS-ing anyone... The other reason I posted that opposing viewpoint to the open space list is to illustrate my new law of open space... another truism... Practice leadership loyalty so that you only say and tell leaders what they want to hear or else you will be censored,  blackballed, and retaliated against... kicked out of the circle of former friends... The quote is profound truth.... and if you look in the mirror you may see yourself. I hope you feel safe now... And, Koos, I do not believe you have in any way made a fool of yourself by responding.  Points well taken. All the best to you... Will think twice B4 posting opposing viewpoints again. Thanks again for your feedback.  Respectfully submitted! 
> ...The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it...--George Orwell
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> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022, 12:15 PM <koos at auryn.nl <mailto:koos at auryn.nl>> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
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> The one and only burning question I have is: why???
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> Why do you post a quote like that, saying that it is not your words but posting it nonetheless? And when someone objects, you repeat the quote about society and truth, implying that you do indeed support the text you posted. And then you write that you agree with John that this kind of disinformation does not belong here. If you agree with that, why do you post it in the first place?
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> Is it just to play with us? To see who takes the bait and makes a fool of himself? If it is, PLEASE  go play somewhere else.
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> If this means I just made a fool of myself – so be it. It feels like bullying and I am sick of it. I want this to be a safe place.
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> Koos
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> Van: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>> Namens Mark Carmel via OSList
> Verzonden: donderdag 20 januari 2022 23:57
> Aan: John Watkins <johnw536 at mac.com <mailto:johnw536 at mac.com>>
> CC: Mark Carmel <markacarmel at gmail.com <mailto:markacarmel at gmail.com>>; World wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Who is BS-ing Whom?
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> I agree with you John...
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> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:38 PM John Watkins <johnw536 at mac.com <mailto:johnw536 at mac.com>> wrote:
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> I’m sorry but I do not think this kind of massive disinformation and political agenda belongs on this list. 
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> Sent from John's iPhone
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> On Jan 20, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Mark Carmel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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> These are not my thoughts or my words.  I Do not know the author.  But here is food for thought, or better put... here is a shot for a thought... that I wanted to share with YOU, the World's greatest peacemakers:
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> Quote from author unknown:   ...Among all the vaccines I have known in my life (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, measles, rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis), I want to also add flu and pneumonia. I have never seen a vaccine that forced me to wear a mask and maintain my social distance, even when you are fully vaccinated. I had never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination. I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated. I never saw discrimination for those who didn't. If you haven't been vaccinated no one has tried to make you feel like a bad person. I have never seen a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends. I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or school. I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. After all the vaccines I listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society as it is. And as the social fabric tightens… It's a powerful vaccine! She does all these things except IMMUNIZATION. If we still need a booster dose after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to get a negative test after we are fully vaccinated, and we still need to wear a mask after we are fully vaccinated, and still be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated, it will likely come to ...It's time for us to admit that we've been completely deceived...   I have decided to never refer to this conglomerate of chemicals as a ...vaccine.. again if at all possible.   It is not a legitimate vaccine, it is a manufactured composition of unknown substances pretending to be something it IS NOT.  So, for me, I will only refer to it as an INJECTION, which is being forced upon us to subject us to TOTAL AUTHORITATIVE CONTROL of every aspect of our lives until every human being on this planet has been made a subject of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, ONE WORLD ECONOMY, ONE WORLD RELIGION just as has been foretold by many Prophecies in SCRIPTURE for untold years.  This so-called virus was instituted by design by those whose agendum is TOTAL population CONTROL...  -  B.S.
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> ...The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it...--George Orwell
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> MC the MC
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