[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 6
anne stadler
anne.m.stad at gmail.com
Sun May 16 15:44:59 PDT 2021
Re classic OS & online OS & holding cf to opening space.
Just wanting to dip my paddle in...
Hi folks: I guess I’m an “outlier”. To me “classic OS” is simply living the
law & the principles all the time.
The OST Marketplace is a wonderful form for facilitating large group
meetings. It’s based on natural forms used in all cultures (invitation &
welcome, bulletin board, marketplace, your individual market stall, your
gift initiative, meeting in circles) that signal gathering, community,
belonging, and co-creation.
There are other forms that do not look like the OST Marketplace, but are
opening space. Eg: Appreciative Inquiry uses them SOMETIMES when the
Convenors & Facilitator are willing to be open- not attached- to outcomes
(thank you, dear Angeles Arrien!). Many really good teachers I know always
open learning spaces. StoryBridge opens space via storytelling, improv, &
theater performance.
Open Space organizations:
Holocracy IS a form of opening space for self organizing. And there’s at
least one other the name of which I am not remembering now. Too bad there
isn’t more cross pollination between OST practitioners & the few conscious
experiments in self organizing organization!!! By now I would think there
should be.
Love to all of you darlings! Be daring!
Anne Stadler
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> Thanks for your insightful posts Michael and Steve.
> I also like the clarification of us creating the space and holding the
> space.
> Since the pandemic started I have trained hundreds of people in
> facilitating better online meetings.I find there is much confusion creating
> different assumptions around online meetings.this goes for ordinary
> meetings as well as open-space technology used online.
> I often say that online meetings can be at least as impactful as physical
> meetings.this is partly because there are so many lousy physical meetings
> And my experience that online meetings can be really live nurturing and
> efficient. When I facilitate open space technology meetings online I do my
> best to stay as close as possible to how I facilitate open space in
> physical environment. This means staying very close to ?the book?, by
> Harrison Owen (Open space technology, a users guide). Just as when I work
> physically I put much attention to the pre-work and follow-up.
> I see a risk that OST gets distorted online just as sometimes happens in
> physical meetings.the risk seems even higher online to me.
> I?d be interested to know more about your meet ups Steve so please share
> more about what you are up to.
> With appreciation
> Thomas
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> i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i
> find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in
> "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the
> shaping in a physical gathering.
>
> i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less
> impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking
> online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big
> impact!
>
> the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way
> easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a
> meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this
> dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more
> important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to
> me, is the challenge.
>
> and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously have
> been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more
> focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
>
> in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than
> ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
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> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
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> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space
> has less of an impact than physical open space."
>
> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of
> the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh.
> They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
>
> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open
> spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve been
> learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
>
> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced
> impact.
>
> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open
> Space) that?s limiting.
>
> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with
> online Open Space.
>
> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding
> space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many
> different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open
> space".
>
> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot
> about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not using
> OST to engage the outcomes.
>
> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me is
> that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
>
> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space
> (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I
> work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that?s open
> and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making to the open space.
> But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We
> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m smiling when I say
> "just".)
>
> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that
> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building
> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are
> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s script for
> "opening" the circle).
>
> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a
> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in
> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can
> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more comfortable
> for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
>
> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
>
> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an
> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
> Thomas
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> Re: virtual open space facilitator
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> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators to
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> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group events
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> Thanks Funda.
> Very inspiring, thanks for sharing. I never really looked into Holocracy,
> Even if I heard bits many times, but I will now thanks ?
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> Dear Friends,
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> I think "Holacracy" points out a "Self Organizing, Interactive, Inspired
> System" as indicated in Open Space Technology.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJxfJGo-vkI
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> I love this conversation!
> Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has
> mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing
> the "building" for an on-line meeting.
> I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just because"
> because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit.
> I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that
> participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a
> difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue.
> I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity - 10
> minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme -
> I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically.
> Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue -
> Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution
> YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the
> Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a
> facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they
> don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is
> more conducive to their mission.
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> > i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i
> > find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in
> > "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with
> the
> > shaping in a physical gathering.
> >
> > i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less
> > impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking
> > online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big
> > impact!
> >
> > the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way
> > easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town
> to a
> > meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this
> > dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even more
> > important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that,
> to
> > me, is the challenge.
> >
> > and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously
> have
> > been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more
> > focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
> >
> > in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused
> than
> > ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Michael Herman
> > Michael Herman Associates
> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
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> > MichaelHerman.com
> > OpenSpaceWorld.org
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> > On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
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> >> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space
> >> has less of an impact than physical open space."
> >>
> >> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of
> >> the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh.
> >> They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
> >>
> >> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open
> >> spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve
> been
> >> learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
> >>
> >> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced
> >> impact.
> >>
> >> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open
> >> Space) that?s limiting.
> >>
> >> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible
> with
> >> online Open Space.
> >>
> >> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding
> >> space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many
> >> different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not
> "open
> >> space".
> >>
> >> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot
> >> about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not
> using
> >> OST to engage the outcomes.
> >>
> >> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me
> is
> >> that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
> >>
> >> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space
> >> (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I
> >> work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that?s
> open
> >> and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making to the open space.
> >> But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We
> >> "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m smiling when I say
> >> "just".)
> >>
> >> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that
> >> people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building
> >> online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence
> are
> >> keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s script for
> >> "opening" the circle).
> >>
> >> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a
> >> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in
> >> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can
> >> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more
> comfortable
> >> for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
> >>
> >> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
> >>
> >> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an
> >> impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> >> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >> H?mta Outlook f?r iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> >> ------------------------------
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> >> *Kopia:* Mega <gijs at megainternational.com.hk>
> >> *?mne:* Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
> >>
> >> Re: virtual open space facilitator
> >>
> >> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of faciltators
> >> to the sponsor of the event.
> >> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group
> events
> >> and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it also
> >> reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
> >>
> >>
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> >> > Message: 1
> >> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800
> >> > From: Gijs <gijs at megainternational.com.hk>
> >> > To: <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK?
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> >> >
> >> > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open
> >> > space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my
> >> > strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has
> >> > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we
> were
> >> > both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private
> email
> >> > me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the
> >> > introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any
> >> > details. gijsvanwezel at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > Gijs van WezeL, MSc.
> >> >
> >> > Supporting
> >> > Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > www.gijsvanwezel.com
> >> >
> >> > +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc.
> >> >
> >> > "Asking
> >> > questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging
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> Date: Sun, 16 May 2021 07:09:33 -0700
> From: Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
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> Cc: Barry Owen <barry at paretorealtyllc.com>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
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> I love this question of can an online meeting be as effective as FtF!
>
> I have two examples where it was MORE effective.
>
> One was a summit launching a collaborative. It would probably have been
> too expensive to meet in person with a group of 30 so this meeting wouldn?t
> have happened. If it had, I would have wanted two days for it. I had three
> hours with the group. The intent was to create a foundation and
> self-organize the work. They did it. New and deeper connections were
> formed, both expected and unexpected people took the lead as working groups
> coalesced around the things the sponsor hoped for and things she hadn?t
> thought of. They were thrilled.
>
> The second example is from an educator friend who had to move a class
> she?d taught for years online. Admittedly it wasn?t all classic open space
> (neither was the summit) but it was imbued with the spirit of open space.
> Not only did her students tell her that the classes were more meaningful
> than their other online classes, but the tangible results, as assessed by
> their papers, was the best she had ever received. In other words, her
> pedagogy, which incorporated Open Space online, produced more learning and
> integration of that learning than her in-person version of the class.
>
> That?s a result to study more thoroughly!
>
> Peggy Holman
> 206-948-0432
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 16, 2021, at 5:38 AM, Barry Owen via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > I love this conversation!
> > Something I've noticed is that (Because of all the things Michael has
> mentioned) presence of SPIRIT seems to me to be more important when doing
> the "building" for an on-line meeting.
> > I sense that it's easy for anyone to show up by clicking in "just
> because" because it IS now SO easy to join and to quit.
> > I believe that creating the compelling theme that inspires passion that
> participants can imagine that their presence will contribute to making a
> difference of significance relative to this "IMPORTANT" issue.
> > I paid $50 to attend an on-line meeting just because of my curiosity -
> 10 minutes into it, and I realized I had ZERO passion for the cryptic theme
> - I used my 2 feet thankful that I had not travelled physically.
> > Maybe when the ripe preconditions are present (Important/Complex issue -
> Diversity of people - Potential for conflict - Need for resolution
> YESTERDAY) then any space we "build" would be appropriate . . . When the
> Theme is clear, the right people will come, and there's not much a
> facilitator or process could do to squash the passion . . . Cause, if they
> don't like the provided structure, they'll LEAVE and go to a place that is
> more conducive to their mission.
> >
> >> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 3:47 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >> i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i
> find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in
> "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the
> shaping in a physical gathering.
> >>
> >> i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for
> less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking
> online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big
> impact!
> >>
> >> the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's
> way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town
> to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think
> this dilutes passion. it's a drag for everyone. which means it's even
> more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important.
> that, to me, is the challenge.
> >>
> >> and... if that means narrowing the topic, maybe what would previously
> have been one big os meeting becomes a series of smaller/shorter and more
> focused sessions. ongoing os, even.
> >>
> >> in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused
> than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Michael Herman
> >> Michael Herman Associates
> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >>
> >> MichaelHerman.com
> >> OpenSpaceWorld.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:38 AM Steve Holyer via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>> Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open
> space has less of an impact than physical open space."
> >>>
> >>> It?s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups
> of the last year?including online Open Spaces?have been just kinda m?eh.
> They?ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.
> >>>
> >>> But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open
> spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we?ve been
> learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.
> >>>
> >>> I don?t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced
> impact.
> >>>
> >>> I believe, it?s the way we think about online meetups (including Open
> Space) that?s limiting.
> >>>
> >>> I still believe we?ve only scratched the surface of what is possible
> with online Open Space.
> >>>
> >>> I?m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about
> holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for
> many different events online?especially when the "meeting" itself is not
> "open space".
> >>>
> >>> I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot
> about facilitating other events online?even when those events are not using
> OST to engage the outcomes.
> >>>
> >>> One thing about online Open Space that?s significantly different to me
> is that I?m not only "holding space", I?m also "building" space.
> >>>
> >>> In the physical open space someone has already built the physical
> space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a
> facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where
> possible) that?s open and inviting and "fits" the invitation they?re making
> to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was
> already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I?m
> smiling when I say "just".)
> >>>
> >>> I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space"
> that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to
> building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming
> emergence are keys building space for impact (like with the facilitator?s
> script for "opening" the circle).
> >>>
> >>> (This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I?m hosting a
> couple of free meetups on this in the next few days ? 6PM for folks in
> Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there?s interest here I can
> post the links. Can also potentially add a meetup that?s more comfortable
> for people in timezones to the East of me?where it?s later.)
> >>>
> >>> On 15 May 2021, at 9:11, Thomas Herrmann via OSList wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of
> an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?
> >>> Wishing all open spacers a grand weekend
> >>> Thomas
> >>>
> >>> H?mta Outlook f?r iOS
> >>> Fr?n: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> f?r Mega via
> OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> Skickat: Saturday, May 15, 2021 4:29:52 AM
> >>> Till: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> Kopia: Mega <gijs at megainternational.com.hk>
> >>> ?mne: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3
> >>>
> >>> Re: virtual open space facilitator
> >>>
> >>> Following the earlier request, i have forwarded a choice of
> faciltators to the sponsor of the event.
> >>> It is an awakening for me to realize the impact covid had on group
> events and it's future. Sponsors seem to accept the reduced impact as it
> also reduces the (travelling) cost significantly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > On 13 May 2021, at 4:49 AM, oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org
> wrote:
> >>> >
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> >>> > 1. Re: Virtual OST facilitator UK? (Gijs)
> >>> >
> >>> >
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> >>> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:04:36 +0800
> >>> > From: Gijs <gijs at megainternational.com.hk>
> >>> > To: <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Virtual OST facilitator UK?
> >>> > Message-ID: <d3f6e32b7967cf99293d9abf4c7a0f0b at 127.0.0.1>
> >>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>> >
> >>> > Dear All, A good friend is possibly looking to host a virtual open
> >>> > space and has asked me if I would/could facilitate. As this is not my
> >>> > strength and I would be very happy to pass it on to someone who has
> >>> > virtual experience and is preferably in the UK (maybe Phelim as we
> were
> >>> > both in Gail's Taipeh OST intro training in 2008?). Please private
> email
> >>> > me if you are interested. I will be more than happy to return the
> >>> > introduction favour to the community, although I do not know any
> >>> > details. gijsvanwezel at gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> > Gijs van WezeL, MSc.
> >>> >
> >>> > Supporting
> >>> > Personal Development and Team Collaborative Processes
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > www.gijsvanwezel.com
> >>> >
> >>> > +60-173719727Gijs van WezeL, MSc.
> >>> >
> >>> > "Asking
> >>> > questions - rather than telling- is the best way of mentally engaging
> >>> > people". -------- Original Message --------
> >>> > FROM:
> >>> > oslist-request at lists.openspacetech.org [1] TO:
> >>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org [2]
> >>> > SENT: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:40:35
> >>> > -0700
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