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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for your insightful posts Michael and Steve.</div>
<div dir="ltr">I also like the clarification of us creating the space and holding the space.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Since the pandemic started I have trained hundreds of people in facilitating better online meetings.I find there is much confusion creating different assumptions around online meetings.this goes for ordinary meetings as well as open-space technology
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<div dir="ltr">I often say that online meetings can be at least as impactful as physical meetings.this is partly because there are so many lousy physical meetings And my experience that online meetings can be really live nurturing and efficient. When I facilitate
open space technology meetings online I do my best to stay as close as possible to how I facilitate open space in physical environment. This means staying very close to ’the book’, by Harrison Owen (Open space technology, a users guide). Just as when I work
physically I put much attention to the pre-work and follow-up.</div>
<div dir="ltr">I see a risk that OST gets distorted online just as sometimes happens in physical meetings.the risk seems even higher online to me.</div>
<div dir="ltr">I’d be interested to know more about your meet ups Steve so please share more about what you are up to.</div>
<div dir="ltr">With appreciation</div>
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<div dir="ltr">i like this distinction you make about holding and building, steve. i find that working online requires me to be more active than i like in "shaping" the space. i much prefer to set the chairs and be done with the shaping in a physical gathering.
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<div>i completely agree that online is not the factor that would make for less impact. look at reddit and the impact some there, meeting and talking online, have had on financial markets recently, in the US, anyway. big impact! </div>
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<div>the thing that's different for me online is transactions cost. it's way easier to click in than to board an airplane or even drive across town to a meeting. and it's easier to leave. it's harder to focus. i think this dilutes passion. it's a drag
for everyone. which means it's even more important to be talking about something that's REALLY important. that, to me, is the challenge. </div>
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<div>in agile terms, i guess what i'm saying is we have to be more focused than ever on desired outcomes, over just producing the familiar outputs.</div>
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<p dir="auto">Thomas wrote, "I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space."</p>
<p dir="auto">It’s a fair assumption I think. In my experience many online meetups of the last year—including online Open Spaces—have been just kinda m’eh. They’ve definitely lacked the impact I wanted.</p>
<p dir="auto">But not all of them had reduced impact. Some online meetups and open spaces had increased impact, and even where impact was lacking we’ve been learning how to create or hold space for more impact next time.</p>
<p dir="auto">I don’t think that holding Open Space online is what creates reduced impact.</p>
<p dir="auto">I believe, it’s the way we think about online meetups (including Open Space) that’s limiting.</p>
<p dir="auto">I still believe we’ve only scratched the surface of what is possible with online Open Space.</p>
<p dir="auto">I’m also more and more convinced that what we are learning about holding space for Open Space online is one key to creating more impact for many different events online—especially when the "meeting" itself is not "open space".</p>
<p dir="auto">I keep finding that the principles of open space are teaching me a lot about facilitating other events online—even when those events are not using OST to engage the outcomes.</p>
<p dir="auto">One thing about online Open Space that’s significantly different to me is that I’m not only "holding space", I’m also "building" space.</p>
<p dir="auto">In the physical open space someone has already built the physical space (and manufactured chairs, and painted the walls etc). As a facilitator I work with the sponsor to find a physical space (where possible) that’s open and inviting and "fits"
the invitation they’re making to the open space. But how lucky we were to walk into a space that was already built. We "just" had to put the chairs in a circle. (Note: I’m smiling when I say "just".)</p>
<p dir="auto">I believe online the OS facilitator is part of building the "space" that people will enter virtually before you hold it for them. Key to building online space for impact simplicity, invitation and welcoming emergence are keys building space for
impact (like with the facilitator’s script for "opening" the circle).</p>
<p dir="auto">(This is also topical for me. By complete coincidence, I’m hosting a couple of free meetups on this in the next few days — 6PM for folks in Berlin/Zurich and Noon for folks in NYC. If there’s interest here I can post the links. Can also potentially
add a meetup that’s more comfortable for people in timezones to the East of me—where it’s later.)</p>
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<div>I am curious about the assumption that online open space has less of an impact than physical open space. Any more thoughts around that, anyone?</div>
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