[OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
Harold Shinsato
harold at shinsato.com
Fri Jan 29 11:57:19 PST 2021
Great questions - Steve!
I've not yet played much with GNU MailMan 3.3, but it does have a much
prettier modern looking interface. I am appreciating this poking topic
about us being "antiquated" in adding to my motivation and enthusiasm
about the upgrade process. As much as making it pretty will help folks
get in and self-manage their accounts - the most urgent reasons for
upgrading are actually about avoiding so many email services automatic
spam filtering and blocking systems, as well as moving to SSL.
If a consensus emerges about a shift to the intro text - that will be
easy for me to execute. It needs to be just text and links for now. And
it should be "An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the
list. " Not really a place for embedded pictures or videos (but links to
them are ok).
This is what it says now (at
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org)
Welcome to the international Open Space Technology mailing list.
Operating since December 1996, this list includes some of the
foremost Open Space Technology facilitators, including the
originator, Harrison Owen.
For more information about Open Space Technology (OST) - there have
been several books published - and there are many OST descriptions
posted on the internet. Here's an about page for OST
<http://osius.org/content/about-open-space-technology>.
Harold
On 1/29/21 11:32 AM, Steve Holyer via OSList wrote:
>
> Yep. This OSList works for me. Adding my thanks to the past
> moderators, the contributors, and Harold.
>
> And I’m glad the openness is in keeping with this community. I
> wouldn’t change it.
>
> And I was online back in the 80s and for sure then 90s when listservs
> were all the rage.
>
> i wonder if the retro look and feel and operation of a mailing list is
> something of a barrier to entry for folks who never participated in a
> listserv discussion—or who prefer a new fangled something or other? I
> wouldn’t change it, but could we find a welcoming (and open) way to
> invite more people? I don’t know what that is. Maybe just a youtube
> video on how to connect with the community via the mailing list. (Even
> having Harrison’s response on the history and openness of the list
> helps me connect to the list and not be put off by it. I appreciate it
> more after reading this thread, and I appreciate it before. So maybe
> just a way to to pin Harrisons words to the signup and archive page
> would be useful. I think just pinning a long threaded list of messages
> to include this whole thread wouldn’t really speak to the people who
> might be put off by long list of mails in a thread already :D — but a
> summary, or a video with some choice quotes could be helpful! ;)
>
> I’m not passionate enough about this issue to be the person to find an
> answer. (Or is it not responsible enough to stick around on this
> question.) Don’t want to put more load on Harold either.
>
> And I think this is a question worth asking at least, to see how it’s
> answered.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve
>
> On 29 Jan 2021, at 17:59, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:
>
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a
> very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And for
> sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has probably
> existed as long or longer than any competitors, is searchable, carries
> the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who discovered living in Open
> Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold (the most recent curator) has
> done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could it be better? Sure... but it has
> worked for ? (20??)years! And please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>
> ho
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could do
> better. Thank you as well for helping out with the admin work for the
> OSList.
>
> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives. But
> looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k messages since
> the first one in December of 1996 back in the old Boise State
> University LISTSERV (OSLIST at IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU
> <mailto:OSLIST at IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>) days.
>
> |Harold |
>
> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the list
> still exists in this open, free, independent way.
>
> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how many
> messages have we posted here so far?
>
> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools, folks.
> Harold has managed this so that we still have and can search every
> message ever sent through the list. Amazing!
>
> I know we passed 30000 some time ago but couldn’t guess what the total
> is now. I can’t figure where to look it up anymore. Do you have that
> number, Harold?
>
> Thanks, Michael
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> wrote:
> Thank you Harold,
> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our email list, and
> the independence to the extent possible for us to be in a platform
> that supports us. Thank you for your work on this over many years, and
> also to those who preceded you.
>
> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list, and to follow
> threads really really easily is to use the GREAT feature of the
> archives http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>. Every
> post gets placed in the archives, the archives are searchable. When
> something that is posted catches my attention, it is easy to go to the
> archives to see what I may have missed in the thread and also
> simultaneously by topic access what has been discussed in relation to
> the topic over the years.
>
> in genuine contact,
> Birgitt
>
> Picture
>
> Birgitt Williams
> Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and consultants
> Specialist in organizational and systemic transformation, leadership
> development, and the power of nourishing a culture of leadership.
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>
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> On 29 Jan 2021, at 18:27, info via OSList wrote:
>
> Hear hear.
> Love it!
> Tonnie
>
>
>
> Verzonden vanaf mijn Galaxy
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>
> -------- Oorspronkelijk bericht --------
> Van: Tony Budak via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Datum: 29-01-2021 17:59 (GMT+01:00)
> Aan: Harrison Owen SR via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Tony Budak <tonybudak at tbmw.org>
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] This list serve is antiquated big time
>
> No Not antiquated. I could not agree more with Harrison. This is a
> very effective list serve. Thank you again, Harrison.
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> On 1/29/2021 11:53 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:
>> Oh Yes... OSLIST started as a phone operated bulletin board. And
>> for sure it doesn't exist in 4 colors/touch screen. BUT it has
>> probably existed as long or longer than any competitors, is
>> searchable, carries the thinking/sweat/arguments of those who
>> discovered living in Open Space (that would be 1000's) and Harold
>> (the most recent curator) has done a marvelous job. Thanks. Could
>> it be better? Sure... but it has worked for ? (20??)years! And
>> please don't fix it if it ain't broke...
>>
>> ho
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 11:39 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Thanks. I appreciate the kind words. And I also know I could
>> do better. Thank you as well for helping out with the admin
>> work for the OSList.
>>
>> I couldn't see an easy way to see the count via the Archives.
>> But looking at my own stash of the emails, I counted 42.9k
>> messages since the first one in December of 1996 back in the
>> old Boise State University LISTSERV (OSLIST at IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU
>> <mailto:OSLIST at IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU>) days.
>>
>> Harold
>>
>> On 1/28/21 4:48 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>>> Great job, and big thanks Harold. You’re the only reason the
>>> list still exists in this open, free, independent way.
>>>
>>> And just so everyone can notice the scale of the thing, how
>>> many messages have we posted here so far?
>>>
>>> Cuz it’s not just about updating or swapping email tools,
>>> folks. Harold has managed this so that we still have and can
>>> search every message ever sent through the list. Amazing!
>>>
>>> I know we passed 30000 some time ago but couldn’t guess what
>>> the total is now. I can’t figure where to look it up
>>> anymore. Do you have that number, Harold?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 08:40 Birgitt Williams via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Harold,
>>> I love the simplicity that has been maintained for our
>>> email list, and the independence to the extent possible
>>> for us to be in a platform that supports us. Thank you
>>> for your work on this over many years, and also to those
>>> who preceded you.
>>>
>>> A super super simple way to pay attention to the list,
>>> and to follow threads really really easily is to use the
>>> GREAT feature of the archives
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>.
>>> Every post gets placed in the archives, the archives are
>>> searchable. When something that is posted catches my
>>> attention, it is easy to go to the archives to see what
>>> I may have missed in the thread and also simultaneously
>>> by topic access what has been discussed in relation to
>>> the topic over the years.
>>>
>>> in genuine contact,
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>> Picture*
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *Birgitt Williams*
>>> *Senior consultant-author-mentor to leaders and
>>> consultants *
>>> *Specialist in organizational and systemic
>>> transformation, leadership development, and the power of
>>> nourishing a culture of leadership.*
>>> www.dalarinternational.com
>>> <http://www.dalarinternational.com>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Harold Shinsato
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