<div dir="auto">Hi Mark. On reflection on your writing, I realized I wanted to go back to memories of US presidential elections since my teens. I can count seven elections since the start of the 1970s that left me in utter despair. I felt certain that it was "curtains" for everything I hold dear. I was literally depressed and confused for weeks or months, and motivated eventually to raise my voice for my values.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My guess is that those seven elections were happy occasions for you. I could be mistaken. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My reason for raising this is that I just had an insight that my greatest fears did not come true. There were many things that I protested vigorously, and there was much suffering during these five decades (during all of the presidencies) that I do not discount. And some factors insulated me personally from some of those troubles. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It may be that some of us are particularly passionate about politics, and others have other reasons to care deeply about one outcome or another. And maybe the stakes are higher now than they were in previous years, but I'm not sure if that is true.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I don't exactly know why it occurred to me to look back like this. But I noticed that this election had maybe a similar impact on you as those seven had on me. So I just honor that you are feeling that way and you express it here. I don't have a clue what else to say.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jeff</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 3:26 PM Jeff Aitken <<a href="mailto:r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com">r.jeff.aitken@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Mark. I appreciate that you express in more detail what you have been sharing in short phrases. I won't say more right now (busy day) but it may be a conversation here. Best to you.<div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 2:46 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Jeff,</div><div dir="auto"> Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply to my post ... predicting the future, toe the party line, rise to the top, do otherwise you go to the bottom... Your reply referred me to the four fold way of leadership to ...speak your truth without blame or judgement... That's a wonderful warm and fuzzy thought Jeff but it is not practical and it is not practiced in the real world. It is not working. Let's look at the best example of leadership right now in the world. That is America and the outcome of an election. Let's take a close look at the winners who swept all seats of power and have now the total, coveted control and power over the entire government with which to lead. Do the winners speak their truth (now that they won) without blame or judgment? Did the winners speak their truth without blame or judgment in order to win? The answers are very clear Jeff. Hell no. Speaking your truth with a lot of blame and a lot of judgment is THE way to gain leadership power and control as we've just witnessed. To believe that this is not true is simply naive if one observes real world leadership results. The 2nd point the 4 four fold way makes regarding the principle of speaking your truth without blame or judgment, Is that ...your truth is not THE truth... When you consider how divided America is now around who is telling the truth, do you really think that the winners of the election believe that their truth is not THE truth Jeff? The four fold way sounds good Jeff, a vision, but not a reality if one faces facts about how and why leaders rise to power. Tow the party line folks, said another way is as follows ... Respect and obey your leaders and you will rise to the top. Disagree and find faults with your leaders, by sharing your four fold way feelings about what is wrong and what could be better, and you will go downward. Not my truth, THE truth. Leadership loyalty is THE only way to not put yourself .... and others we try to bring in the safe space.... into harms way. The rules have changed. And rules is rules.</div><div dir="auto">MC</div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:21 AM <<a href="mailto:oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">oslist-request@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send OSList mailing list submissions to<br>
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Mark, you seem to be feeling a lot of distress. Just wanted to say that,<br>
and I am glad you are sharing with the open space community. "Speak your<br>
truth, without blame or judgement" said Angeles Arrien in the Fourfold Way.<br>
I don't know what else to say.<br>
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