[OSList] Non Confused American
Jeff Aitken
r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com
Fri Jan 15 16:05:42 PST 2021
A little time with my cousin yielded this snip from a site called patriot
retort. Perhaps "the plan" is "an unconstitutional power grab" per below.
(Clearly, many here are in fear of what may be next in the great Open Space
of USA; it's just maybe different folks than those who have been in fear
for the last four years, who are different from those in fear for 8 years
before that.)
And like all tyrant-wannabes, the Left deploys language as a weapon. They’re
viciously firing off words like “Insurrection” and “Sedition” in order to
crush their political opponents.
Abusing this kind of malicious language gives them the pretext they need to
unleash with impunity a crackdown on our Liberty. Now any pushback against
the unconstitutional power grab that is coming will immediately be labeled
“sedition” or “insurrection.”
...
This leads to a related tangent, a new book by the remarkable Miki Kashtan,
who has deep skills in nonviolent communication. The book is an approach to
conflict that looks VERY powerful and auspicious in our times of deep
polarities. Apologies to Miki (kind of) for placing this blurb in this
context.
"Convergent Facilitation is a revolutionary new way of collaborating by
creating space for all needs to be heard, inviting dissent without fear or
animosity, and attending to power dynamics that are in the room."
*https://convergentfacilitation.org/ <https://convergentfacilitation.org/>*
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021, 3:11 PM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> It is ALL going according to plan right now.
> MC
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>> 1. Confused American (Jeff Aitken)
>> 2. Re: Confused American (Patricia Haines)
>> 3. Re: Confused American (Lise Damkjaer)
>> 4. Re: Confused American (Michael M Pannwitz)
>> 5. Re: Confused American (harrison owen)
>> 6. Re: Confused American (Patricia Haines)
>> 7. Re: Confused American (paul levy)
>> 8. Re: Confused American (Barry Owen)
>> 9. Re: Confused European (fk at open2flow.co.uk)
>> 10. Re: Confused American (Jeff Aitken)
>> 11. Re: Confused American (Chris Corrigan)
>> 12. Re: Confused American (Marc C. Trudeau)
>> 13. Re: Confused American (harrison owen)
>> 14. Re: Confused American (CHARLES COLPITTS)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:48:57 -0800
>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: [OSList] Confused American
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>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>>
>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> place on the optimal day.
>>
>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 23:21:51 -0500
>> From: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
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>> I thought Open Space was about democracy, giving voice to everyone?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:26 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> > President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> > speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> > pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> > leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >
>> > The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> > channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> > (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> > other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> > place on the optimal day.
>> >
>> > What went wrong? I remain confused.
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>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:07:53 +0100
>> From: Lise Damkjaer <lise at learning4life.dk>
>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>> Hi Jeff
>>
>> I'm confused about your post. I really want to ignore it, because to me
>> it seems to be a joke or some conspiracy theory.
>>
>> But here on OSLIST, I think we want to listen and we want dialogue with
>> everyone with an open mind. So I will not ignore you.
>>
>> I admit that I don't understand how you could get that perspective and
>> how you can wish for a newly elected president to be arrested. To me it
>> seems to ruin democracy in your own country. Is it that you actually
>> don't want democracy? and how do you combine loving Open Space with not
>> wanting democracy? or Open Space-thinking with accusing people?
>>
>> Lise
>>
>> Copenhagen, Denmark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13-01-2021 23:48, Jeff Aitken via OSList wrote:
>> > As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> > President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> > speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> > pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> > leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >
>> > The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> > channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> > (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> > other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> > place on the optimal day.
>> >
>> > What went wrong? I remain confused.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:12:53 +0100
>> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
>> To: Patricia Haines via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
>> Message-ID: <677ffca9-e468-abe0-35c8-ffbc2cb80c68 at gmail.com>
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>> Dear Patricia,
>>
>> everything is open space, even democratic systems and institution but
>> also a mafia organisation or autocratic systems.
>> The forces of selforganisation do their thing everywhere, completely
>> independent of the various criteria we have for classifying whats good,
>> bad or indifferent.
>> And Open Space Technology, the process we work with, is an approach that
>> expands time and space for the force of selforganisation to unfold. Its
>> the only group/organisation/system approach that has that as its core
>> activity.
>> But dont worry, even without OST, selforganisation thrives... sometimes
>> hardly noticeable. And if you find an organsation/system with not signs
>> of selforganisation you can be sure its dead for all practical purposes.
>>
>> Now, as an UScitizen looking at whats happening in the USA from my
>> distant viewpoint in Berlin, I see that the forces of selforganisation
>> are alive and kicking back home.
>>
>> Cheers and stay healthy
>> mmp
>> Am 14.01.2021 um 05:21 schrieb Patricia Haines via OSList:
>> > I thought Open Space was about democracy, giving voice to everyone?
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:26 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList
>> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> > President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6
>> public
>> > speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that
>> satanic
>> > pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly
>> orchestrated
>> > leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >
>> > The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> > channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence
>> background
>> > (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic
>> (with
>> > other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> > place on the optimal day.
>> >
>> > What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> --
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>> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
>> ++49 - 30-772 8000 mmpannwitz at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> In der Open Space World Map tummeln sich 159 Menschen, die in
>> Deutschland, ?sterreich und der Schweiz mit dem open space Verfahren
>> arbeiten.
>> Weltweit sind es 509 aus 77 L?ndern, die in 142 L?ndern os verbreiten.
>> Mal reinschauen: http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>
>> Bei Westkreuz gibts B?cher/e-B?cher, K?rtchens?tze und Sch?tze auf
>> Deutsch und Englisch zu und um open space herum, auch mehrsprachige.
>> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Kommunikation
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:34:03 -0500
>> From: harrison owen <hhowensr at gmail.com>
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>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:46:55 -0500
>> From: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
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>> This is a really useful thread for me. I've wanted to find a way to
>> understand the range of political thinking, beyond the bubble of Ithaca,
>> NY. I'm glad to be reminded that "self-organization" does indeed invite
>> all
>> voices into the space, where we listen with respect without having to
>> agree. Thank you all. Challenging times around this world.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:34 AM harrison owen via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> > believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> > Windows 10
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> > *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> > *Cc: *Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> > *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >
>> > President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> >
>> > speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> >
>> > pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> >
>> > leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >
>> > channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >
>> > (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >
>> > other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >
>> > place on the optimal day.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 15:39:35 +0000
>> From: paul levy <paul at cats3000.net>
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>> Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into Jeff's
>> post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather differently
>>
>> >From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> > believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ho
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> > Windows 10
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> > *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> > *Cc: *Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> > *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >
>> > President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> >
>> > speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> >
>> > pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> >
>> > leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >
>> > channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >
>> > (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >
>> > other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >
>> > place on the optimal day.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 09:42:34 -0600
>> From: Barry Owen <barry at paretorealtyllc.com>
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>> Exactly Paul - I thought "Tongue in cheek"
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:39 AM paul levy via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into Jeff's
>> > post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather
>> differently
>> >
>> > From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> > On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> >> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ho
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> >> Windows 10
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> >> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >> *Cc: *Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> >> *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >>
>> >> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> >>
>> >> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> >>
>> >> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> >>
>> >> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >>
>> >> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >>
>> >> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >>
>> >> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >>
>> >> place on the optimal day.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> OSList mailing list
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 15:58:16 -0000
>> From: <fk at open2flow.co.uk>
>> To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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>> Mmm? I read Jeff?s comment differently, satirically, referring to
>> T-supporters? QAnon conspiracy theory. With the insurgence having
>> successfully gone as far as it did, why didn?t T go all the way, with a
>> complete coup? Everything was in place, the capitol besieged, so why didn?t
>> T pull the ultimate trigger? A close call! Confused - yes, there?s a lot
>> more that we haven?t heard yet. As a European, I?m also confused, but
>> relieved at the same time.
>>
>> Fran?ois
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> On Behalf Of
>> Patricia Haines via OSList
>> Sent: 14 January 2021 14:47
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Cc: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2010 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a really useful thread for me. I've wanted to find a way to
>> understand the range of political thinking, beyond the bubble of Ithaca,
>> NY. I'm glad to be reminded that "self-organization" does indeed invite all
>> voices into the space, where we listen with respect without having to
>> agree. Thank you all. Challenging times around this world.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 9:34 AM harrison owen via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>>
>>
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Aitken via OSList <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <mailto:
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Cc: Jeff Aitken <mailto:r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [OSList] Confused American
>>
>>
>>
>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>>
>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>>
>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>>
>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>>
>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>>
>>
>>
>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>>
>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>>
>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>>
>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>>
>> place on the optimal day.
>>
>>
>>
>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 10:55:24 -0800
>> From: Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi folks. The voice that I used for that post was that of my cousin, whom
>> I
>> love very much. He is, like me, a white American with twelve generations
>> of
>> ancestry in Maryland and West Virginia, until our grandfather moved to
>> California.
>>
>> I was reflecting on the theme of the upcoming online OS conference, around
>> holding space for 8 billion people in conversation. My cousin's voice came
>> through suddenly, to start to reflect the intensity of the conflicts in
>> the
>> USA on the day of the 2nd impeachment.
>>
>> Holding space for even the USA's 300+ million at this time requires
>> digging
>> deeper than usual. I need to understand the assumptions and judgments that
>> I make about folks whose voices sound like that. I did have satire in mind
>> at first, but then the floor dropped out beneath me.
>>
>> So, it became an offering in these interesting times.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:43 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Exactly Paul - I thought "Tongue in cheek"
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:39 AM paul levy via OSList <
>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into
>> Jeff's
>> >> post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather
>> differently
>> >>
>> >> From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
>> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> >>> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ho
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> >>> Windows 10
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> >>> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>> *Cc: *Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> >>> *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >>>
>> >>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> >>>
>> >>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> >>>
>> >>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> >>>
>> >>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >>>
>> >>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >>>
>> >>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >>>
>> >>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >>>
>> >>> place on the optimal day.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:07:12 -0800
>> From: Chris Corrigan <chris at chriscorrigan.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
>> Message-ID:
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>> All cultures have a trickster.
>>
>> You're all just not used to it being Jeff!
>>
>> (a friendly raven squawk, right back at you, brother)
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:56 AM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi folks. The voice that I used for that post was that of my cousin,
>> whom
>> > I love very much. He is, like me, a white American with
>> > twelve generations of ancestry in Maryland and West Virginia, until our
>> > grandfather moved to California.
>> >
>> > I was reflecting on the theme of the upcoming online OS conference,
>> around
>> > holding space for 8 billion people in conversation. My cousin's voice
>> came
>> > through suddenly, to start to reflect the intensity of the conflicts in
>> the
>> > USA on the day of the 2nd impeachment.
>> >
>> > Holding space for even the USA's 300+ million at this time requires
>> > digging deeper than usual. I need to understand the assumptions and
>> > judgments that I make about folks whose voices sound like that. I did
>> have
>> > satire in mind at first, but then the floor dropped out beneath me.
>> >
>> > So, it became an offering in these interesting times.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 7:43 AM Barry Owen via OSList <
>> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Exactly Paul - I thought "Tongue in cheek"
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:39 AM paul levy via OSList <
>> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Perrhaps it is my English sense of humour. I read deep irony into
>> Jeff's
>> >>> post and then, via glorious. Wildesque satire, it reads rather
>> differently
>> >>>
>> >>> From the garden shed, a haven in lockdown,
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2021, 14:34 harrison owen via OSList, <
>> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> This is totally weird? I?ve known Jeff for years and I simply can?t
>> >>>> believe he would say something like that. Strange times.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ho
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> >>>> Windows 10
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *From: *Jeff Aitken via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 13, 2021 5:49 PM
>> >>>> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>>> *Cc: *Jeff Aitken <r.jeff.aitken at gmail.com>
>> >>>> *Subject: *[OSList] Confused American
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >>>>
>> >>>> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6
>> public
>> >>>>
>> >>>> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that
>> satanic
>> >>>>
>> >>>> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly
>> orchestrated
>> >>>>
>> >>>> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >>>>
>> >>>> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >>>>
>> >>>> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >>>>
>> >>>> place on the optimal day.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OSList mailing list
>> >>>>
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>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 19:08:52 +0000
>> From: "Marc C. Trudeau" <marctrudeau at alum.wpi.edu>
>> To: "OSList (email to post)" <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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>>
>> On Jan 14, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org<mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi folks. The voice that I used for that post was that of my cousin, whom
>> I love very much. He is, like me, a white American with twelve generations
>> of ancestry in Maryland and West Virginia, until our grandfather moved to
>> California.
>>
>> I was reflecting on the theme of the upcoming online OS conference,
>> around holding space for 8 billion people in conversation. My cousin's
>> voice came through suddenly, to start to reflect the intensity of the
>> conflicts in the USA on the day of the 2nd impeachment.
>>
>> Holding space for even the USA's 300+ million at this time requires
>> digging deeper than usual. I need to understand the assumptions and
>> judgments that I make about folks whose voices sound like that. I did have
>> satire in mind at first, but then the floor dropped out beneath me.
>>
>> So, it became an offering in these interesting times.
>>
>> Jeff
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 15:29:56 -0500
>> From: harrison owen <hhowensr at gmail.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 16:23:49 -0500
>> From: CHARLES COLPITTS <charlosc at aol.com>
>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [OSList] Confused American
>> Message-ID: <1A6BDB1C-E1A4-43EF-811D-1AFA0BB53594 at aol.com>
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>> All Jeff is doing is reminding us what the Qanon expectations were for
>> the Trump administration. It?s total lunacy, but it?s central part of the
>> Qanon litany.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 13, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Patricia Haines via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > I thought Open Space was about democracy, giving voice to everyone?
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021, 9:26 PM Jeff Aitken via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> >> As a patriotic American I join millions who were confused when the
>> >> President did not step boldly into the opportunity in his Jan 6 public
>> >> speech to announce the arrest of Joe Biden and others for that satanic
>> >> pedophilic conspiracy ring. Everything had been perfectly orchestrated
>> >> leading up to that moment, it seemed.
>> >>
>> >> The gentleman who interviewed Harrison last year on his YouTube
>> >> channel, the old friend from DC days with an intelligence background
>> >> (who loved the idea of Open Space!) was also greatly optimistic (with
>> >> other interviewees on his channel) that this denouement would take
>> >> place on the optimal day.
>> >>
>> >> What went wrong? I remain confused.
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> OSList mailing list
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