[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8

marco valente eccemarco at gmail.com
Fri Feb 7 15:32:58 PST 2020


Hey Jake,

I might have faced a similar situation in the past: sponsor wanted the
group of stakeholders I was facilitating to generate ideas on a wall, which
later were clustered around "priority areas" for future work in the
consortium. Now, the sponsor already had an initial list of some priority
areas they were working on. Not Open Space related, because we were using a
different process, but all I could think of was to ask as honestly and as
openly as possible to my client:
Q: what happens if the stakeholders come up with ideas that don't really
fit the pre-existing areas of work you have?
A: then it's fine, I guess that will tell us they have other priorities
Q: What happens if they come up with some ideas that fall under your
categories, and others that require novel categories altogether?
A: they will create new labels for these new categories. It's important
information for us and want to learn that.

Then I was okay because I knew they did not want to constrain the process
too much and were open to genuinely novel information (and that such
information would have been made-sense-of by the participants, not by the
sponsor).

Hope this helps.

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>       (Jake Yeager)
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>       (Jake Yeager)
>    5. Re: From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
>       (Birgitt Williams)
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>       (Chris Corrigan)
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> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 17:39:10 -0500
> From: Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> To: Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>
> Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>         <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results
>         (OKRs)?
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> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> practitioners.
>
> Some info:
>
>    - I have one day for the event
>    - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
>    - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
>    measure your success
>    - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
>    day: so, it's a tight time-frame
>
> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor to
> switch up the schedule too much.
>
> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training for
> formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said, I am
> open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore the
> many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely open
> to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael Pannwitz's
> comment. :)
>
> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> design:
>
>    - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
>    Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes
> rather
>    than voting on them.
>    - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel. The
>    group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to refine
> (or
>    not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with key
>    results.
>
> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
>
> Much love,
> Jake
>
>
> ________________
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Jake
> >
> > I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> > purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> > must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> > should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >
> > My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well thought
> > through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not
> > fully understood.
> >
> > Good night from Sweden
> >
> > Thomas Herrmann
> >
> >
> >
> > *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> Yeager
> > via OSList
> > *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> > *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> > *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >
> >
> >
> > I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use the
> > 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> > 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >
> >
> >
> > The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> > if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess
> I
> > could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> > decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> > call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and much love,
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > ________________
> >
> >
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
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> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:05:27 -0500
> From: Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> To: Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>
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> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> ________________
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> > provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> > practitioners.
> >
> > Some info:
> >
> >    - I have one day for the event
> >    - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> >    - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
> >    measure your success
> >    - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
> >    day: so, it's a tight time-frame
> >
> > At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
> to
> > switch up the schedule too much.
> >
> > I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> > for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That
> said,
> > I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
> > the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm
> definitely
> > open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> > Pannwitz's comment. :)
> >
> > Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> > design:
> >
> >    - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
> >    Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes
> rather
> >    than voting on them.
> >    - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
> >    The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to
> refine
> >    (or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup
> with
> >    key results.
> >
> > Learning as I go as we all do. :)
> >
> > Much love,
> > Jake
> >
> >
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> > thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Jake
> >>
> >> I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> >> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> >> must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> >> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >>
> >> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> thought
> >> through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST are not
> >> fully understood.
> >>
> >> Good night from Sweden
> >>
> >> Thomas Herrmann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> >> Yeager via OSList
> >> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> >> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >> *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> the
> >> 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and then
> >> 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> >> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3.
> Guess I
> >> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> >> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> >> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks and much love,
> >>
> >> Jake
> >>
> >> ________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> >> you will be free of problems.
> >>
> >>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>
> >
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> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 18:59:05 -0500
> From: Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> To: Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>
> Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>         <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results
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> Reviewing again this article
> <
> https://www.openspaceworld.org/files/tmnfiles/choosingopenspace(Bolton).html
> >
> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> ________________
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> >> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> >> practitioners.
> >>
> >> Some info:
> >>
> >>    - I have one day for the event
> >>    - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> >>    - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
> >>    measure your success
> >>    - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the
> >>    day: so, it's a tight time-frame
> >>
> >> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
> >> to switch up the schedule too much.
> >>
> >> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> >> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That
> said,
> >> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will
> explore
> >> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm
> definitely
> >> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> >> Pannwitz's comment. :)
> >>
> >> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> >> design:
> >>
> >>    - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
> >>    Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes
> rather
> >>    than voting on them.
> >>    - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
> >>    The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to
> refine
> >>    (or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup
> with
> >>    key results.
> >>
> >> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
> >>
> >> Much love,
> >> Jake
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> >> you will be free of problems.
> >>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> >> thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Jake
> >>>
> >>> I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> >>> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> >>> must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> >>> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >>>
> >>> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> >>> thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use
> OST
> >>> are not fully understood.
> >>>
> >>> Good night from Sweden
> >>>
> >>> Thomas Herrmann
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> >>> Yeager via OSList
> >>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> >>> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >>> *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> >>> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and
> >>> then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little
> hairy
> >>> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3.
> Guess I
> >>> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> >>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> >>> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and much love,
> >>>
> >>> Jake
> >>>
> >>> ________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and
> >>> you will be free of problems.
> >>>
> >>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>>
> >>
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> Ok. Just one final email  (I suspect). I think it'd be good to have the
> closing circle prior to all the convergence. This is so participants have a
> clear demarcation between open space and the other activities.
>
> Thanks again
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:01 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear Jake,
> >
> > seems there is a lot of stuff that you busy yourself with that might be
> > better dealt with by the sponsor of the event and the Planning Group for
> > the event.
> >
> > My experience is that after assisting the sponsor in finding out whether
> > ost (check the 5 or so prerequisites) is what is needed from his point
> > of view for whatever sticky isssue he needs to deal with the next step
> > is to have the sponsor install a Planning Group. This group needs to be
> > in some way a microcosm of what is expected to be the mix at the event.
> > Usually, that would be the sponsor himself and a few more folks that are
> > affected by the main issue directly and indirectly. Also, usually I
> > facilitate the meeting of the Planning Group. It usually meets just once
> > and then is in charge of working up to the event.
> >
> > Any time you find yourself worrying about what might be usefull for the
> > process or feeling you are shortcutting stuff, you are working too hare.
> >
> > Now, all this sage advice might be of little use for you considering you
> > are already too far down the stretch. But there is always the
> > possibility to go back in case I realize something is awkward or
> > whatever or requires my energy that should really come from the client.
> > When I was in a situation like that and did go back, it never backfired.
> > On the contrary, it secured a much better procedure for everyone... all
> > in accordance of the wisdom in your signature
> > "When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> > and you will be free of problems."
> >
> >
> > Have a great day
> > mmp
> >
> >
> > Am 06.02.2020 um 00:14 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:
> > > Dear Jake
> > >
> > > I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> > > purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> > > must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> > > should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> > >
> > > My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> > > thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use
> OST
> > > are not fully understood.
> > >
> > > Good night from Sweden
> > >
> > > Thomas Herrmann
> > >
> > > *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> > > Yeager via OSList
> > > *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> > > *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> > > <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> > > *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> > > *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> > >
> > > I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> > > the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and
> > > then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> > >
> > > The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little
> hairy
> > > if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3.
> Guess
> > > I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> > > decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> > > call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> > >
> > > Thanks and much love,
> > >
> > > Jake
> > >
> > > ________________
> > >
> > > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and
> > > you will be free of problems.
> > >
> > >   - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> > >
> > >
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> Hi Jake,
> i believe it is helpful to conceptualize that the OST meeting is what takes
> place, and it supports divergent, innovative thinking, creativity, play.
> Then, when you get to the balance of what you are setting out to do which I
> am assuming is on the .5 day following the full OST day, you are in a
> process that is not OST. It requires a more guided process, convergent
> thinking and at that point there is seldom space for new ideas. I believe
> one way to be successful is to have one after the other, making a clear
> distinction between the two...a whole different energy is created.
>
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> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:59 PM Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Reviewing again this article
> > <
> https://www.openspaceworld.org/files/tmnfiles/choosingopenspace(Bolton).html
> >
> > by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> > One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would
> generating
> > OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> >> ________________
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> >> you will be free of problems.
> >>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> >>> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> >>> practitioners.
> >>>
> >>> Some info:
> >>>
> >>>    - I have one day for the event
> >>>    - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> >>>    - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
> >>>    measure your success
> >>>    - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
> >>>    the day: so, it's a tight time-frame
> >>>
> >>> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
> >>> to switch up the schedule too much.
> >>>
> >>> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> >>> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That
> said,
> >>> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will
> explore
> >>> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm
> definitely
> >>> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> >>> Pannwitz's comment. :)
> >>>
> >>> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> >>> design:
> >>>
> >>>    - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
> >>>    Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3
> themes rather
> >>>    than voting on them.
> >>>    - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
> >>>    The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want
> to refine
> >>>    (or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup
> with
> >>>    key results.
> >>>
> >>> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
> >>>
> >>> Much love,
> >>> Jake
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________
> >>>
> >>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and
> >>> you will be free of problems.
> >>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> >>> thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> >>>> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also
> there
> >>>> must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> >>>> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >>>>
> >>>> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> >>>> thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use
> OST
> >>>> are not fully understood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good night from Sweden
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas Herrmann
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> >>>> Yeager via OSList
> >>>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> >>>> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> >>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>>> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >>>> *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> >>>> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's)
> and
> >>>> then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little
> >>>> hairy if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than
> 3.
> >>>> Guess I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if
> consent
> >>>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a
> final
> >>>> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks and much love,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> >>>> and you will be free of problems.
> >>>>
> >>>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:15:48 -0500
> From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
> To: jacob.yeager at gmail.com, World wide Open Space Technology email
>         list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results
>         (OKRs)?
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> No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR?s will matter, then that
> would be ?pre-set? answers, and I would forget about open space. But
> specifying that ?we are trying to generate new OKRs? is a fine invitation,
> because it?s open and the sponsor should be generally curious about what
> will come out of it and how results will be used.
>
> Chris
>
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > Reviewing again this article <
> https://www.openspaceworld.org/files/tmnfiles/choosingopenspace(Bolton).html>
> by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would generating
> OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> practitioners.
> >
> > Some info:
> > I have one day for the event
> > There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> > Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
> measure your success
> > We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of the day:
> so, it's a tight time-frame
> > At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
> to switch up the schedule too much.
> >
> > I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That said,
> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will explore
> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm definitely
> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> Pannwitz's comment. :)
> >
> > Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> design:
> > After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
> Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3 themes rather
> than voting on them.
> > I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel. The
> group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want to refine (or
> not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup with key
> results.
> > Learning as I go as we all do. :)
> >
> > Much love,
> > Jake
> >
> >
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> thomas at openspaceconsulting.com <mailto:thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>>
> wrote:
> > Dear Jake
> >
> > I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also there
> must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >
> > My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use OST
> are not fully understood.
> >
> > Good night from Sweden
> >
> > Thomas Herrmann
> >
> >
> >
> > Fr?n: OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:
> oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>> F?r Jake Yeager via OSList
> > Skickat: den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> > Till: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
> > Kopia: Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com <mailto:
> jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>
> > ?mne: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >
> >
> >
> > I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's) and
> then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >
> >
> >
> > The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little hairy
> if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than 3. Guess I
> could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if consent
> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a final
> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks and much love,
> >
> > Jake
> >
> > ________________
> >
> >
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> >
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
> >_______________________________________________
> > OSList mailing list
> > To post send emails to OSList at lists.openspacetech.org
> > To unsubscribe send an email to OSList-leave at lists.openspacetech.org
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> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 11:42:39 +0200
> From: Ilan Kirschenbaum <ilan at practical-agile.com>
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>         <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results
>         (OKRs)?
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> Extending this to an Open Space format, let the structure guide the
> outcomes.
> For example, have the session summary sheets have, in addition to topic,
> convener and participants, titles for Main Objective and for Key Results.
> You may wish to add (see if you can find about 3 SMART key results) - if
> you want to guide participants towards the OKRs concept. That said with a
> invitation to favor the more open and the less prescriptive approach.
>
> As for the initiatives session, one thing we had at a client is to prepare
> a large board with a table having tall rubrics for Os on the left side, and
> wider and shorter rubrics for KRs in the right.
> During this session, participants - conveners and other - were invited to
> place their Os and KRs in the board and share what they found passion and
> responsibility for to take forward.
> In effect, that way self-organized teams were formed to make these
> initiatives happen.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020 at 6:15 Chris Corrigan via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > No...  If the sponsor already knows which OKR?s will matter, then that
> > would be ?pre-set? answers, and I would forget about open space. But
> > specifying that ?we are trying to generate new OKRs? is a fine
> invitation,
> > because it?s open and the sponsor should be generally curious about what
> > will come out of it and how results will be used.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Jake Yeager via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> > Reviewing again this article
> > <
> https://www.openspaceworld.org/files/tmnfiles/choosingopenspace(Bolton).html
> >
> > by Diane Blair. She mentions two critical success factors for Open Space.
> > One is that the sponsor does not have "pre-set outcomes." Would
> generating
> > OKRs be considered a pre-set outcome you think?
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> >  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 6:05 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Oops. It's 1.5 days I mean.
> >> ________________
> >>
> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
> >> you will be free of problems.
> >>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 5:39 PM Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you everyone for your feedback! It is much welcomed, and you have
> >>> provided a lot to chew on. It's such a treat to hear from experienced
> >>> practitioners.
> >>>
> >>> Some info:
> >>>
> >>>    - I have one day for the event
> >>>    - There are about 30 participants: assistant managers to the SVP
> >>>    - Objectives are strategic initiatives, and key results are how you
> >>>    measure your success
> >>>    - We need to define both objectives and key results by the end of
> >>>    the day: so, it's a tight time-frame
> >>>
> >>> At this moment, I feel that I am too far down the line with the sponsor
> >>> to switch up the schedule too much.
> >>>
> >>> I learned 25/10 Crowdsourcing in my Open Space Genuine Contact training
> >>> for formulating recommendations and have found it to work well. That
> said,
> >>> I am open to learning how to let go of control even more and will
> explore
> >>> the many options provided on this thread for future events. I'm
> definitely
> >>> open to learning more about how I can work "less hard" per Michael
> >>> Pannwitz's comment. :)
> >>>
> >>> Also, I have incorporated some of your suggestions in my "convergence"
> >>> design:
> >>>
> >>>    - After the group generates the top 10 draft objectives from 25/10
> >>>    Crowdsourcing, I will invite the group to arrange them into 3
> themes rather
> >>>    than voting on them.
> >>>    - I will invite self-organization to refine the themes in parallel.
> >>>    The group members will be able to choose which theme(s) they want
> to refine
> >>>    (or not) in a series of sprints with sprint reviews. The same setup
> with
> >>>    key results.
> >>>
> >>> Learning as I go as we all do. :)
> >>>
> >>> Much love,
> >>> Jake
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________
> >>>
> >>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> and
> >>> you will be free of problems.
> >>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 6:14 PM Thomas Herrmann <
> >>> thomas at openspaceconsulting.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> I don?t fully understand, of course, but am wondering what the
> >>>> purpose/expected outcome is for this development process and also
> there
> >>>> must be no more than 3 O?s? I understand they are not yet defined, but
> >>>> should be identified/agreed on in the OST?
> >>>>
> >>>> My experience from similar situations is that it is not that well
> >>>> thought through or that the opportunities at hand if choosing to use
> OST
> >>>> are not fully understood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Good night from Sweden
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas Herrmann
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Fr?n:* OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> *F?r *Jake
> >>>> Yeager via OSList
> >>>> *Skickat:* den 5 februari 2020 00:57
> >>>> *Till:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> >>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> >>>> *Kopia:* Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
> >>>> *?mne:* [OSList] From Open Space to objectives and key results (OKRs)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have experience using Open Space to develop OKRs with a group?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am facilitating an Open Space event in late February. I plan to use
> >>>> the 25/10 Crowdsourcing method to prioritize draft objectives (O's)
> and
> >>>> then 1-2-4-All to develop the key results (KR's) for each objective.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The sponsor wants a maximum of 3 objectives. It might get a little
> >>>> hairy if the clear cutoff for the 25/10 Crowdsourcing is greater than
> 3.
> >>>> Guess I could use voting to narrow it down. Also, I am exploring if
> consent
> >>>> decision-making could be useful. The sponsor might need to make a
> final
> >>>> call on the top 3 if the group is split.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks and much love,
> >>>>
> >>>> Jake
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again,
> >>>> and you will be free of problems.
> >>>>
> >>>>  - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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