[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 98, Issue 31

[Wojciech Zawisz]

Thank you Harrison.

I see these two circus tents in my imagination. And I smile :-)

Michael - could you share some photos from that event with us?
And will you find some time for a Skype or a phone call next days?
I would love to hear your stories and listen about your experience,
thoughts and hints.

Have a great weekend all of you, Open Space Tribe :-)


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>    1. Re: Orgs that Failed to Implement Self-Organization?
>       (Michael M Pannwitz)
>    2. OST meeting for ca. 500 people (Wojciech Zawisz)
>    3. Re: OST meeting for ca. 500 people (gerardo de luzenberger)
>    4. Re: OST meeting for ca. 500 people (Harrison Owen)
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:48:15 +0200
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> To: David Osborne <dosborne at change-fusion.com>, OSLIST
>         <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Orgs that Failed to Implement Self-Organization?
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> Dear David,
>
> you are touching basic issues, which I enjoy.
> Getting to basic issues fuels a wider dialog.
>
> Yes, self-organizing has been around since the Big Bang, in everything.
>
> And it shows up regurlary and predictably in OST gatherings. Regardless
> of the conditions that are characteristic of any such gathering. And it
> shows up more or less impressively or noticeably in all kinds of
> situations that are in no way OST events: Tahir Place, Playground, New
> York City, Fridays for Future, neighborhood events... and on and on.
>
> If there is a gathering and it is announced that it will have the form
> of an OST event and that promise is not met, selforganizing will happen
> nonetheless and sometimes with high action that can cause the event to
> close. And while it is certain that there will be change (everything
> changes all the time) there is no predicting what kind of change will
> happen or that a particular change will emerge.
>
> If you go at this with the assumption that the influence of the "force
> of selforganization" can be "seen" in the manifestation of what we
> perceive as "selforganizing" in groups, organizations and systems...
> such as a group of small children selforganizing their activities
> without any apparent leadership (parents) or hired facilitators (us)
> having productive fun... it might be worth taking a closer look at that
> "force".
> Taking a closer look aint easy because little is really known (in the
> Scientific meaning of "know") about the "force of selforganization". I
> suspect that has to do with the universal nature of the force. A
> characteristic that is not satisfyingly "researchable" with our limited
> abilities and skills.
>
> One way of looking at it which I find useful for the unfolding of
> selforganization is paying attention to some of the prerequisites that
> expand time and space for the "force" to thrive in. Mind you, its there,
> it will unfold. However, it can be hampered... especially observeable in
> groups, organizations and systems that we ourselves have thought up and
> supplied with all sorts of "control" mechanisms.
>
> Harrison has described how he saw the prerequisites that some deep
> thinkers discovered to be prerequisites for the emergence of "life"
> considerable time after the Big Bang also apply for an OST event. His
> quest into this realm was definitely influenced by the "force of
> selforganisation" which, however, had no idea what this would lead to
> (in the sense that we have "ideas").
> Ok, he described the "adapted" prerequisites that, when in place, would
> have a positive influence on the chances for the  "force" to get more
> time and space for its play.
>
> In my practice of OST as facilitator, getting the clients ("hosts") to
> check on the prerequisites led to either accepting the contract for an
> OST event or to suggest that they needed something else or to offer ways
> to them to have more of the prerquisites in place. This often resulted
> in changing from "mandated participation" to "voluntary participation"
> with the additional work of producing a real invitation, or expanded
> "diversity of participants" (not only inviting teachers of the school
> but everybody that has to do with the school or is effected by the
> school such as neighbors or financed the school, parents, or works in
> the school or offers experience in his business to students in the
> school....).
>
> Other prerequisites that are often mentioned such as high level of
> conflict, complex issue, open question no single person or group has an
> answer to, decision time of yesterday... also need to be checked on by
> the client/sponsor.
>
> As you have noticed, one of the challenges for a facilitator (struggling
> with being totally present and entirely invisible) is meeting ones own
> care and passion while working as a facilitator.
> Care and passion, especially when joined by responsibility, powerfully
> move wicked issues into action. Without these elements, little will
> happen in the circle, market place, in the breakout sessions and the
> ensuing action planning. But what actually happens among the
> selforganizing participants is not the playground of facilitators. That
> is best illustrated by the facilitator also disappearing bodily just
> after the marketplace phase... taking a nap. This is a tough number for
> many of us. But it is the acid test. Often not tolerated by sponsors (is
> this what we are paying you for?) and participants (where is your
> responsibility? Dont you see that this is a whole mess?).
>
>  From this perspective, care, passion and responsibility seen that way
> get into the way of the work of the facilitator... and the more freely
> unfolding "Force of Selforganization".
>
> This I vaguely realized for the first time during an OT-Conference in
> Higlands, North Carolina (conducted as an OS) when an Indin Shaman,
> invited by HO, offered a session for us one evening to meet our
> ancestors. He sat in the center drumming, all of us sitting on the floor
> around him. After a while he said: "I love you all but I dont care for
> you." He was very present and did abolutely nothing. After another long
> stretch of time in which most of us had fallen asleep and gone into
> wherever we all returned from shared our experiences from that unusual
> realm.
>
> My take on caring (in the role of facilitator once the OST event has
> been opened by the sponsor) is that the less you care the more time and
> space will be available for the "force of selforganisation" to unfold.
> I have many stories on this. One entered into a seemingly minor aspect
> of the way I did a bit of "on the job training" for new members of the
> os-team. At the point at which participants are invited to go to the
> center and write their issue and name on a sheet of paper... two of the
> the new team members were asked to stand at each end of the Bulletin
> Board. Their task was to do nothing and just stand there. Even if
> participants had not signed their issue, or the paper fell to the floor,
> or was posted without a time/space post-it, or engaged in a chat with
> other participants in front of the Bulletin Board while others were
> still announcing their issues... all the new team members stuck to their
> task. In debriefing, they reported on the initial torture (not being
> allowed to follow their instinctiv care-urge) they experienced... and
> also that they saw, as everyone else did, that after a short time the
> participants themselves clicked into the selforganizing modus and
> intervened among themselves. This modus predictably expands tremendously
> during the further course, especially when it is the 16 hours, sleeping
> twice, kind of 3 day event.
>
> I seriously doubt that it is possible to "influence the self-organizing
> process"... or even do things that lead to "positive change" (what about
> "negative change"?). Or, what is "positive" or "negative" change?
> (I once experienced a facilitator in an OST event who commented on every
> issue posted, suggested which issues were related and should be
> clustered, which did not fit into the overall theme... I am sure he
> cared and was passionate but was actually engaging himself in a realm
> that was none of his business and actually had becomed a space-invador.
> What would have happened if a participant became space invador, which is
> not so rare? Would he notice, get into a fight, ...?).
>
> Come in the "prerequisites" that need to be checked and be in place for
> the Force of Selforganization to fully play out in an OST event.
> I rather call them prerequisites and not factors because they play a
> role in the first contact and the ensuing contact meeting with the
> sponsor... long before the event itself. And they are an important
> orientation for the sponsor to decide whether OST (with the attached
> prerequisites) is what is needed.
> Sticking with the client/sponsor in checking the prerequisites relieves
> me from "selling" OST (which many of us feel to be impossible anyhow but
> keep trying)... the decision is all with the sponsor with the
> "prerequisites" as a "tool" and my peace of mind knowing that with the
> prerequisites in place the event will be ok, as always.
>
> I wonder about the experiences we have had among us consciously working
> with this tool in the very early stages of the overall process leading
> to an OST event.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
> >
> > Am 21.06.2019 um 15:32 schrieb David Osborne:
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> Your email triggered a few thoughts for me.
> >>
> >> My thoughts on self-organization are heavily influenced by lunches at
> >> the Glen Echo Inn with Harrison.? From these lunches, I learned
> >> several things that I have been practicing and working with for over a
> >> decade now related to self-organization. The first of which is the
> >> premise that you and others have shared here that self-organization is
> >> happening all the time...it's all self-organizing. We don't have to
> >> make it happen. What happens in Open Space though are that certain
> >> conditions are set that enable change to emerge ......rather than
> >> intractable, complex issues with diverse views staying stuck.
> >>
> >> One different view I've had with Harrison is that we don't have to do
> >> anything at all ....we can just let it all happen. While this is true.
> >> I've had a human problem, I care. Passion and caring is part of the
> >> root energy that fuels both open space and self-organization. My
> >> caring has led me to want to figure out how can we influence the
> >> self-organizing process to lead to positive change the help whatever
> >> the broader organism is, group, organization, country, society, etc.
> >>
> >> You raise the point about focusing on the"factors" that affect
> >> self-organization. That is where I've invested my time and energy over
> >> the past decade and what I've discovered is that while we cannot
> >> control change or the self-organizing process we can influence the
> >> speed and direction of change quite dramatically if we focus on and
> >> adjust these factors.? It's very powerful and I believe the future of
> >> change.
> >>
> >> best to all,
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >> *David R. Osborne*
> >> Organization and Leadership Development
>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:53 AM Michael M Pannwitz
> >> <mmpannwitz at gmail.com <mailto:mmpannwitz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> ??? Dear Jake and you others,
> >>
> >> ??? I am intriguing myself with your quest for pitfalls in regard to
> >> ??? "implement self-organization".
> >> ??? If it is assumed that "self-organization" is inherent in all groups,
> >> ??? organisations, systems and in all processes on this planet and in
> the
> >> ??? universe and has been since the Big Bang, it would not be
> >> necessary to
> >> ??? "implement self-organization".
> >> ??? In fact, attempting to "implement self-organization" could in
> >> itself be
> >> ??? the pitfall. This would jive with the notion that a sure fire way to
> >> ??? impede self-organization is to mess with it (that is, control it).
> >>
> >> ??? Picking up on what Rob just wrote
> >> ??? "By definition self organisation occurs despite any efforts to
> >> make it
> >> ??? happen."
> >> ??? I suspect that
> >> ??? "Self-organisation is hampered by efforts to make it happen."
> >>
> >> ??? I also wonder if it would be helpful to distinguish between
> >> ??? "self-organization" as we observe it everywhere around us (such as
> >> ??? children self-organizing their game on a playground or a butterfly
> >> ??? unfolding from a chrysalis or a break-out group in an os-event
> >> ??? self-organizing their activities) and the "force of
> >> selforganization".
> >>
> >> ??? Assuming? that the force of selforganzation is behind
> >> self-organization
> >> ??? it might be useful to focus on the "factors" that would support an
> >> ??? environment in which the force of selforganization can thrive,
> >> unfold...
> >>
> >> ??? One of the stories we have is the development of OST itself. OST was
> >> ??? dreamt up originally as a way to organize a conference in a few
> hours
> >> ??? instead of a whole years work (a wonderful gift that was borne out
> of
> >> ??? being bored with working hard). After it kept working in various
> >> ??? settings with a vast minimum of pre-implemented structure, no
> >> ??? panels, no
> >> ??? speakers, only one facilitator... his originator began wondering
> >> on why
> >> ??? it was working.
> >>
> >> ??? We know the rest of the story and have payed attention to the 5 or
> >> 6 or
> >> ??? 7 prerequisites that now have been tested in thousands of events
> >> which
> >> ??? need to be in place for the "force of selforganisation" to do its
> >> thing
> >> ??? which we then perceive as "self-organization".
> >>
> >> ??? Its simple but not easy.
> >> ??? Is not facing that which seduces to twists, adulterations, creating
> >> ??? surrogate cocktails...?
> >>
> >> ??? Greetings from Berlin
> >> ??? mmp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ??? Am 21.06.2019 um 04:04 schrieb Juliane Martina Roell (Structure &
> >> ??? Process) via OSList:
> >> ???? >
> >> ???? >
> >> ???? > Jake Yeager via OSList schrieb am 20.06.19 um 19:31:
> >> ???? >> Hey everyone,
> >> ???? >>
> >> ???? >> Does anyone know of organizations that attempted to implement
> >> ???? >> self-organization but failed? If so, do you know some of the
> >> ??? factors
> >> ???? >> that contributed to the failure? We hear about the successes,
> >> like
> >> ???? >> Semco and AES, but rarely about the failures. I'd like to
> >> ??? understand
> >> ???? >> better what the pitfalls are and also what the success rate is.
> >> ???? > Hi Jake,
> >> ???? >
> >> ???? > what do you mean by "implement self-organization"?
> >> ???? > How would one go about doing that?
> >> ???? >
> >> ???? > Best Regards,
> >> ???? >
> >> ???? > Juliane.
> >>
> >> ??? -- ??? Michael M Pannwitz
> >> ??? Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> >> ??? ++49 - 30-772 8000
> >> ??? mmpannwitz at gmail.com <mailto:mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> >>
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 15:13:49 +0200
> From: Wojciech Zawisz <wojciech.zawisz at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [OSList] OST meeting for ca. 500 people
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> Hi.
> I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue requirements
> for OST event for ca. 500 people.
> How much space (m2) is minimum?
> What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration,
> so event would be safe and valuable for all participants?
> I would appreciate your thoughts.
> Thank you,
>
> Wojtek
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> Ciao Wojciech,
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> I did a coouple of 500 participants OS last year.
> A lot of learnings about space, breakouts, reporting, ....., if you like we
> can have a skype call
> in the next days on that
> ciao
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> Il giorno mer 26 giu 2019 alle ore 15:32 Wojciech Zawisz via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> ha scritto:
>
> > Hi.
> > I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue
> requirements
> > for OST event for ca. 500 people.
> > How much space (m2) is minimum?
> > What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration,
> > so event would be safe and valuable for all participants?
> > I would appreciate your thoughts.
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Wojtek
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> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowensr at gmail.com>
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> Soo? A biggie! How about 2108? Logistical expert is Michael Pannwitz & Co
> in Berlin. All German Psychiatrists in two Circus Tents. Wonderful!
>
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> ho
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>
> Hi.
>
> I would like to ask about your experience regarding the venue requirements
> for OST event for ca. 500 people.
> How much space (m2) is minimum?
>
> What else are important areas organisers should take under consideration,
> so event would be safe and valuable for all participants?
>
> I would appreciate your thoughts.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Wojtek
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