[OSList] number of breakout groups and 500 folks or more

Thu Jul 11 00:57:53 PDT 2019

Dear Michael,
thank you for your reply and for your good will. I appreciate it a lot.
I will definitely look at materials you mentioned and attached.
May I call you a little bit later on July? I will go back from my vacation
on 22nd so 23rd or 24th would be perfect for me.
We are in touch.
Thank you and have a great day Michael,

Wojtek

pon., 8 lip 2019 o 10:31 Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
napisał(a):

> Dear Wojtek,
>
> just returned from a week with some of our grandchildren and was offline.
>
> In June, I  sent a note to the LIST (see below) with all the details and
> links to photos etc. for the  event in Würzburg with 2108 participants.
> You definintely should acquire the video, it will give you a good
> insight re the many details that one can pay attention to.
> What will actually happen in the event is a different story.
> The event event in Würzburg in southern Germany was not in circus tents,
> of course, but in beer tents, rectangular and huge. In fact, so spacious
> that a truck laden with icecream creations could drive into one of the
> tents one evening before the os-gathering as part of the larger
> conference (several thousand participants) and another one with 1000
> percussion instruments for the participants to have monstrous drumming
> sessions.
>
> If you feel like calling me, July 11 or 12 would suit me.
> For contact details see my worldmap entry
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/michael-m-pannwitz
>
> Not seeing you in the world map you are invited to include yourself
> > https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion
>
> cheers
> mmp
>
>
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: [OSList] number of breakout groups
> Datum: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 01:10:14 +0200
> Von: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com>
> An: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>,
> lpalano at yahoo.com, Holman, Peggy S. <peggy at peggyholman.com>,
> jlhurley at hfadesign.com
>
> Erich Kolenaty created a photo presentation on the one day OST event in
> Würzburg/Germany (2013) that HO mentioned with 2108 participants.
> 232 issues were presented and dealt with in 3 phases (starting times at
> 10:15, 11:45 and 13:45)  which meant 77 breakout spaces. Many of the
> breakout spaces were set up by the participants... look here
> > https://www.transformation.at/documents/OS_Wuerzburg_minimized.pdf
>
> There is also a 78 minute film on this event, including the English and
> German version of the introduction by HO and mmp,  interviews with
> participants, facilitators and sponsor, available here
> >
> https://www.steinhardt-verlag-shop.de/epages/61415289.sf/de_DE/?ObjectID=2386608
>
> If Peggys rule of thumb would have been applied (20% of the people post
> issues in large groups) there should have been 421 issues. At the
> Würzburg event nobody imagined 232 issues. But 232 issues were easily
> dealt with by the 2108... the only explanation I have for that is the
> magic of the force of selforganisation.l
>
> The rule of thumb mentioned in the "mini spec" that Robin Muretisch
> posted "... 3 out of 10 participants will post a session" would have
> meant 632 issues in Würzburg.
>
> So much to the rules of thumb.
>
> My experience is that the number of issues posted is not only a factor
> of the number of folks attending but also has to do with the length of
> the event.
> With smaller groups the number of issues can be the same as the number
> of participants and even more if it is a "regular" 2,5 day OST event
> where additional issues are posted during the event.
> Another factor is that participants vary greatly in the number of issues
> each participant offers. In some cases there will be participants that
> offer 2 to 10 issues and others dont offer any.
>
> The ressource that Lori Palano remembered to have seen was a graph with
> two parameters (number of participants and number of issues) that was
> prepared by someone in the team that set up the event with 2108
> participants.
> Basically, it showed a curve that rose steeply and then tapered off to
> almost a straight line... meaning that in general the number of issues
> rose inversely to the number of participants, or, the larger the group
> the smaller the number of issues per participant.
>
> I am sure someone among us has that graph buried in a file.
>
> I wonder what additional parameters other than than number of
> participants and length of the event would have to be considered for a
> more reliable tool to predict the number of issues to be expected at an
> OST event.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
> Am 05.06.2019 um 17:37 schrieb Harrison Owen via OSList:
> > And then there was the time when Michael Pannwitz and I had 2108
> > participants… And I think we ended up with 175 Groups. We grossly
> > under-estimated (75) – but fortunately you can add groups as  many as
> > you need. The People are always right, and they will claim the space
> > they need. Facilitators are only guessing – and then just get out of the
> > way J
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> > *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> Behalf
> > Of *Lori Palano via OSList
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 5, 2019 9:51 AM
> > *To:* oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> > *Cc:* Lori Palano
> > *Subject:* [OSList] number of breakout groups
> >
> > Hello all
> >
> > A number of years ago I seem to remember a resource shared on this list
> > that calculated an average number of breakout groups that tended to show
> > up according to the total number of participants based on the cumulated
> > experience of this community. Does this ring a bell with anyone? I think
> > it was an excel sheet. I'd like to find it again, but so far my
> > searching hasn't lead to anything.
> >
> > Here's hoping!
> >
> > Lori
> >
> >
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