[OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.
R Chaffe
rchaffe at gmail.com
Sat Aug 17 01:59:57 PDT 2019
So does teaching!
Regards
Rob
> On 17 Aug 2019, at 4:47 pm, paul levy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> I'd never certify OST. Only takes one minute to explain, or one second to discover.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Paul Levy
>
> Paul Levy
> Writer, facilitator, conversifier and collusion breaker
>
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, 22:42 Michael M Pannwitz via OSList, <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> It would not surprise me if Jesus had come to the conclusion that all
>> organizations created by man are the work of the devil.
>>
>> That could then have held him back from founding an institute certifying
>> his first followers.
>>
>> Greetings from Berlin where I mulled over all the certification
>> organizations that I encountered in my life. They all contributed to the
>> ossification of their victims and made a lot of money.
>>
>> But then, wait a minute, I do remember taking part in a training for OD
>> consultants and parish consultants back in the seventies of the last
>> century in the last millenium.
>> Folks attending were invited for a final day of certification after the
>> training concluded (very complex training, including 5 ten day training
>> sessions over 2 years, regional groups for gatherings between the blocks
>> and prescribed hours of supervision by especially trained supervisors
>> that were certified, of course, none other were accepted).
>>
>> Now, the invitation to get certified was offered to all of us.
>> Some needed a certification to work with their skills in their
>> organizations.
>> Others did not. I was one of them. Actually, there were 5 of us.
>> At first we felt it nice to have a free day.
>> But, I dont know how that came about but from my present stage of
>> looking at stuff I am sure it was the Force of Selforganization that got
>> us thinking about all 5 of us certifying each and all of the others,
>> including oneself. Only if they passed the certification, of course.
>> So we set out to come up with a process. We did this in open space (had
>> not shown its vicious head yet in 1975) and had a wonderful time. We
>> actually drew up a certification document and got two of the training
>> staff to put their signature to it along with those of us five. This
>> made it look gorgeous. I still have it. Its in German. I could dig it up
>> in my archives if any of you would like to get a copy.
>> As we 5 heard later, our collegial certification was enormously tougher
>> than that offered by the training institute.
>>
>> Have a great day wherever you are
>> mmp
>>
>> Am 16.08.2019 um 19:45 schrieb Marai Kiele via OSList:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 14.08.2019 um 18:42 schrieb Mark Carmel via OSList
>> >> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>> >>
>> >> Chris, thank you for your response. However, an Empire is defined as
>> >> an authoritarian organization of countries, or people, under single
>> >> rule like the Roman empire. The chuch's first rule of becoming
>> >> certified as high priest is that women are not allowed In. We see how
>> >> that worked out... That is not OS and is not what I recommend. So
>> >> please do not misunderstand my intent. I am not calling for empire
>> >> building or authoritarianism, but calling for organization of an
>> >> Educational Institute to train and educate those who facilitate OST in
>> >> the world of empire building WE all live in. If we leave it to mother
>> >> nature to do it out of Spirit alone we could be waiting another 4,000
>> >> years. How to prepare facilitators and participants to face the
>> >> inevitable pushback from their own leaders (like now) or from leaders
>> >> of empires once raw honesty is put out there is an advanced skill
>> >> set. One that will help or hurt outcomes. Chris, you are spot on to
>> >> invoke the Devil. Because the Devil always attacks honesty that
>> >> exposes the hidden, dishonest agendas of leaders who proudly open
>> >> space only to crush those who are Too honest for their liking. Therein
>> >> lies a significant learning moment to train facilitators in the
>> >> ability to discern authenticity in the leadership before engaging.
>> >> Dishonesty has become the new trend in management and leadership. Just
>> >> look at the state of American politics and media coverage of it. The
>> >> number one contraindiction as HO aptly defines it, in my experience is
>> >> dishonest leadership. This must be discerned first, as only one of the
>> >> teaching lessons for all future facilitators. Otherwise good, honest
>> >> participants and their facilitators are given up to the devilish
>> >> empire builders you describe. Especially in the great
>> >> US of A democracy that has become Retaliation Nation.
>> >> Thanks again Chris!
>> >> Miss you having not seen you since Dulles.
>> >> Peace!
>> >> MC
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 10:05 AM Chris Corrigan
>> >> <chris.corrigan at gmail.com <mailto:chris.corrigan at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You do realize that Jesus never certified practitioners of
>> >> Christianity, right? And that subsequent attempts to do so
>> >> basically created a toxic blending of Church and Empire that
>> >> contributed to mass amounts of suffering through incredibly toxic
>> >> and psychopathic uses of power and control for most of the last
>> >> 1700 years?
>> >>
>> >> And I say that as a Christian who works with churches.
>> >>
>> >> Mark, just open space. That’s what the world wants more of. It
>> >> does not want or need more people running around saying they are
>> >> certified to open space. It truly doesn’t care. Your credentials
>> >> mean nothing if you aren’t actually opening space. And if you are
>> >> opening space, no one will care what your credentials are. The
>> >> best OST meetings I’ve ever been a part of were facilitated by
>> >> people who had never done them before. They cared about the
>> >> participants, they took care to follow the instructions, they took
>> >> nothing for granted, and they learned a lot about themselves and
>> >> others. Some of these people were 14 years old.
>> >>
>> >> Coincidently, some of these people are also the best Christians I
>> >> have ever met, too, for the same reasons.
>> >>
>> >> Just do the work and share your learning and get better at it.
>> >> That’s how I learned, that’s how I support others and that’s my
>> >> invitation to you. Resist the devilish temptation to build an empire.
>> >>
>> >> Chris
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Aug 14, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a
>> >>> certification-like program and an organizational structure for
>> >>> the future if we want to train people in the finer points of
>> >>> sustaining open space interventions over time as Chris has done.
>> >>> There is a lot more to it than just throwing out an invitation
>> >>> and opening up the market place. It is interesting to me that
>> >>> from the most seasoned open space masters the idea was instantly
>> >>> shot down, saying...we discussed that already... Now that is not
>> >>> what an open space facilitator normally does right? Shoot down
>> >>> other people's ideas. The world has evolved into one that
>> >>> respects credentials. Interestingly the ones who spoke the
>> >>> strongest against certification have already given themselves
>> >>> nice fancy titles. Which is wonderful. Because credentials
>> >>> really do matter. Right now open space facilitators must give
>> >>> themself their own title and otherwise have no backing whatsoever
>> >>> to lend credibility to their self given titles. When you talk
>> >>> about overcoming the resistance of executives and with the
>> >>> retaliation nation nature of things now (look at Hong Kong) it
>> >>> makes sense to put some structure to the educational
>> >>> credentialing of OSTsters from apprentice to Master to mentor.
>> >>> In terms of VISION and MISSION and VALUES and STRATEGY, why is it
>> >>> that we facilitators want to apply that same organizational
>> >>> structure for ALL other organizations but resist doing the same
>> >>> for OUR work, to create OUR organization... What IS our
>> >>> vision...to hope the world magically organizes around OST... or
>> >>> to make it happen through a viable 1,000 year vision. In his
>> >>> great book, Leadership Is, Harrison is spot on to define OST as
>> >>> the ONE way for leaders to be a caretaker of the Spirit. We must
>> >>> not be naive to believe that leaders will not crush the Spirit
>> >>> once it emerges in Open Space. This requires highly advanced
>> >>> training to be able to navigate the process over decades of
>> >>> implementation. ALL great decisions require great leadership. If
>> >>> OST ever gets an organization, I hope this idea will be
>> >>> considered by its leaders or of course someone else will do it or
>> >>> it will not be done. In some ways, or all ways, Harrison has
>> >>> created a new religion of Spirit and I hope that an
>> >>> organizational structure WILL be created kinda like that other
>> >>> dude who started out with 12 disciples.
>> >>> Peace,
>> >>> Mark Carmel
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 11:03 PM
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>> >>> Today's Topics:
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>> >>> 1. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
>> >>> (Chris Kloth)
>> >>> 2. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
>> >>> (Harrison Owen)
>> >>> 3. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
>> >>> (Peggy Holman)
>> >>> 4. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
>> >>> (Jake Yeager)
>> >>> 5. Open Space Hangout! Tues Aug 13, 12 PM EDT! (Tony Budak)
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 1
>> >>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:25:41 -0400
>> >>> From: Chris Kloth <chris.kloth at got2change.com
>> >>> <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>>
>> >>> To: jacob.yeager at gmail.com <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
>> >>> Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic
>> >>> Planning?
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>> >>>
>> >>> Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
>> >>> middle of
>> >>> a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk)
>> >>> that is
>> >>> pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall
>> >>> triggered a
>> >>> powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we
>> >>> were to
>> >>> start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me that he
>> >>> thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also
>> >>> made it
>> >>> clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other
>> >>> workplace
>> >>> issues would probably come up and that there was no way these
>> >>> could be
>> >>> addressed in such a setting.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
>> >>> labor issues
>> >>> would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
>> >>> requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also
>> >>> asked him to
>> >>> listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the
>> >>> subject.
>> >>>
>> >>> No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first
>> >>> round
>> >>> and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled at
>> >>> me big
>> >>> time. I will admit I was nervous.
>> >>>
>> >>> The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
>> >>> frustration, 30
>> >>> minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the
>> >>> best jobs n
>> >>> the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the
>> >>> end of the
>> >>> second round the company president faxed from the other site
>> >>> that
>> >>> their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
>> >>>
>> >>> The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
>> >>> and optimism.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shalom,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Kloth
>> >>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hey Chris,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear
>> >>> your
>> >>> > experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
>> >>> mentioned is still
>> >>> > active!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
>> >>> the non-profit
>> >>> > partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>> >>> > - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
>> >>> multiple sites.
>> >>> > I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
>> >>> you recommend for
>> >>> > executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thank you so much Chris!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
>> >>> recommendations for
>> >>> > executing OS cross-site, please do!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > All the best,
>> >>> > Jake
>> >>> > ________________
>> >>> >
>> >>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again, and
>> >>> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
>> >>> <chris.kloth at got2change.com <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
>> >>> division of
>> >>> >> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
>> >>> 100% of the
>> >>> >> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>> >>> >> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
>> >>> midwest. We had
>> >>> >> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
>> >>> communicate what
>> >>> >> was going on at each location each round! By the end of
>> >>> the process
>> >>> >> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
>> >>> >> structure.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> >>> >> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing
>> >>> early childhood
>> >>> >> care and education to very different types of children,
>> >>> resulting in a
>> >>> >> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a
>> >>> plan for the
>> >>> >> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
>> >>> now almost
>> >>> >> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the
>> >>> principles of OST.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> Shalom,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Chris Kloth
>> >>> >> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> >> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> >> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> >> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> >> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> >> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > Hi all,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
>> >>> vision statement
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>> >>> >> recommendations?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Thanks!
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Much love as always,
>> >>> >> > Jake
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
>> >>> person! :)
>> >>> >> > ________________
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again, and
>> >>> >> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> >> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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>> >>> >
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>> >>> ------------------------------
>> >>>
>> >>> Message: 2
>> >>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:57:37 -0400
>> >>> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowensr at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:hhowensr at gmail.com>>
>> >>> To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic
>> >>> Planning?
>> >>> Message-ID: <001201d55158$f4f61ec0$dee25c40$@com>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> >>>
>> >>> Beautiful! Thank you Chris!!
>> >>>
>> >>> ho
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of
>> >>> Chris Kloth via OSList
>> >>> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:26 PM
>> >>> To: jacob.yeager at gmail.com <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
>> >>> Cc: Chris Kloth; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic
>> >>> Planning?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
>> >>> middle of
>> >>> a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk)
>> >>> that is
>> >>> pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>> That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall
>> >>> triggered a
>> >>> powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we
>> >>> were to
>> >>> start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me that he
>> >>> thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also
>> >>> made it
>> >>> clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other
>> >>> workplace
>> >>> issues would probably come up and that there was no way these
>> >>> could be
>> >>> addressed in such a setting.
>> >>>
>> >>> I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
>> >>> labor issues
>> >>> would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
>> >>> requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also
>> >>> asked him to
>> >>> listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the
>> >>> subject.
>> >>>
>> >>> No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first
>> >>> round
>> >>> and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled at
>> >>> me big
>> >>> time. I will admit I was nervous.
>> >>>
>> >>> The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
>> >>> frustration, 30
>> >>> minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the
>> >>> best jobs n
>> >>> the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the
>> >>> end of the
>> >>> second round the company president faxed from the other site
>> >>> that
>> >>> their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
>> >>>
>> >>> The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
>> >>> and optimism.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Shalom,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Kloth
>> >>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hey Chris,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear
>> >>> your
>> >>> > experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
>> >>> mentioned is still
>> >>> > active!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
>> >>> the non-profit
>> >>> > partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>> >>> > - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
>> >>> multiple sites.
>> >>> > I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
>> >>> you recommend
>> >>> for
>> >>> > executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thank you so much Chris!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
>> >>> recommendations for
>> >>> > executing OS cross-site, please do!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > All the best,
>> >>> > Jake
>> >>> > ________________
>> >>> >
>> >>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again, and
>> >>> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
>> >>> <chris.kloth at got2change.com <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
>> >>> division of
>> >>> >> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
>> >>> 100% of the
>> >>> >> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>> >>> >> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
>> >>> midwest. We had
>> >>> >> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
>> >>> communicate what
>> >>> >> was going on at each location each round! By the end of
>> >>> the process
>> >>> >> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
>> >>> >> structure.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> >>> >> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing
>> >>> early childhood
>> >>> >> care and education to very different types of children,
>> >>> resulting in a
>> >>> >> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a
>> >>> plan for the
>> >>> >> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
>> >>> now almost
>> >>> >> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the
>> >>> principles of OST.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> Shalom,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Chris Kloth
>> >>> >> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> >> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> >> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> >> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> >> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> >> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > Hi all,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
>> >>> vision
>> >>> statement
>> >>> >> or
>> >>> >> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>> >>> >> recommendations?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Thanks!
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Much love as always,
>> >>> >> > Jake
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
>> >>> person! :)
>> >>> >> > ________________
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again,
>> >>> and
>> >>> >> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> >> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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>> >>> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:23:21 -0700
>> >>> From: Peggy Holman <peggy at peggyholman.com
>> >>> <mailto:peggy at peggyholman.com>>
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>> >>> Planning?
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>> >>> I?ll add another strategic planning story to the mix. In the
>> >>> 1999, I did a project with the Washington State Arts
>> >>> Commission to create a strategic plan that was widely
>> >>> embraced by artists and arts organizations all over the
>> >>> state. The commission?s continued funding was riding on success.
>> >>>
>> >>> We hosted 20 Open Space convenings around the state over 6
>> >>> weeks. The first and last were statewide. The rest were
>> >>> 3-hour sessions in towns as small as Twisp and cities as
>> >>> large as Seattle. In the end, the arts commission created a
>> >>> plan that was not only widely embraced, but two years later
>> >>> during an economic downturn, the funding held when other
>> >>> departments were cut because of the widespread support.
>> >>>
>> >>> When we started, the commission members were convinced large
>> >>> and small, east and west, rural and urban would all be at war
>> >>> with each other. In fact, they found synergies and ways to
>> >>> partner.
>> >>>
>> >>> A bit more of the story is here:
>> >>> http://peggyholman.com/a-conversation-about-the-arts/
>> >>> <http://peggyholman.com/a-conversation-about-the-arts/>.
>> >>>
>> >>> Peggy
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ________________________________
>> >>> Peggy Holman
>> >>> Co-founder
>> >>> Journalism That Matters
>> >>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>> >>> Bellevue, WA 98006
>> >>> 206-948-0432
>> >>> www.journalismthatmatters.org
>> >>> <http://www.journalismthatmatters.org/>
>> >>> www.peggyholman.com <http://www.peggyholman.com/>
>> >>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>> >>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>> >>>
>> >>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning?Upheaval
>> >>> into Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Chris Kloth via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in
>> >>> the middle of a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam
>> >>> Foss' Ted Talk) that is pretty consuming. I know I have the
>> >>> file somewhere.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall
>> >>> triggered a powerful memory. When I got to my site the night
>> >>> before we were to start a very resistant top executive made
>> >>> it clear to me that he thought this approach a ridiculous
>> >>> waste of time. He also made it clear that he was sure labor
>> >>> issues over wages and other workplace issues would probably
>> >>> come up and that there was no way these could be addressed in
>> >>> such a setting.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
>> >>> labor issues would probably come up if it mattered to those
>> >>> in the room and requested that he trust me that it would be
>> >>> okay. I also asked him to listen to the workers talk and
>> >>> resist taking charge of the subject.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the
>> >>> first round and was attended by almost everyone at my site.
>> >>> He scowled at me big time. I will admit I was nervous.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
>> >>> frustration, 30 minutes of "We are all in this together and
>> >>> still have the best jobs n the valley" and 30 minutes of
>> >>> developing strategies. By the end of the second round the
>> >>> company president faxed from the other site that their ideas
>> >>> were all valuable and could be implemented!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy,
>> >>> excitement, and optimism.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Shalom,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Chris Kloth
>> >>> > ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> > 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> > Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> > ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> > fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> > www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>>:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Hey Chris,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to
>> >>> hear your
>> >>> >> experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
>> >>> mentioned is still
>> >>> >> active!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
>> >>> the non-profit
>> >>> >> partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>> >>> >> - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
>> >>> multiple sites.
>> >>> >> I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
>> >>> you recommend for
>> >>> >> executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thank you so much Chris!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
>> >>> recommendations for
>> >>> >> executing OS cross-site, please do!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> All the best,
>> >>> >> Jake
>> >>> >> ________________
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again, and
>> >>> >> you will be free of problems.
>> >>> >> - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
>> >>> <http://www.robert-adams.info/>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
>> >>> <chris.kloth at got2change.com
>> >>> <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>
>> >>> <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com
>> >>> <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>>>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
>> >>> division of
>> >>> >>> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included
>> >>> virtually 100% of the
>> >>> >>> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>> >>> >>> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
>> >>> midwest. We had
>> >>> >>> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
>> >>> communicate what
>> >>> >>> was going on at each location each round! By the end of
>> >>> the process
>> >>> >>> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic
>> >>> organization
>> >>> >>> structure.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> >>> >>> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing
>> >>> early childhood
>> >>> >>> care and education to very different types of children,
>> >>> resulting in a
>> >>> >>> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a
>> >>> plan for the
>> >>> >>> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
>> >>> now almost
>> >>> >>> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the
>> >>> principles of OST.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> --
>> >>> >>> Shalom,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Chris Kloth
>> >>> >>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> >>> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> >>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> >>> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> >>> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> >>> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> > Hi all,
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
>> >>> vision statement
>> >>> >>> or
>> >>> >>> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>> >>> >>> recommendations?
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Thanks!
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > Much love as always,
>> >>> >>> > Jake
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
>> >>> person! :)
>> >>> >>> > ________________
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will
>> >>> shine once again, and
>> >>> >>> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> >>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> >>> >
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
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>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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>> >>> Program.
>> >>> >
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>> >>> Message: 4
>> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:54:31 -0400
>> >>> From: Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>
>> >>> Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic
>> >>> Planning?
>> >>> Message-ID:
>> >>>
>> >>> <CAESAiLT2+Aa=KQKctTAwMwryHpSy4owZBfCyVcgJsX=Ek0qNEg at mail.gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:Ek0qNEg at mail.gmail.com>>
>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you everyone for your replies! They are very, very helpful.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have contracted with an internal client who is interested
>> >>> in using OST.
>> >>> His team is cross-site, so these suggestions and experiences are
>> >>> invaluable. It really is about experimenting, identifying
>> >>> what works, and
>> >>> sharing my experience with others to move the work forward.
>> >>> Oh, and
>> >>> trusting the people. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks again!
>> >>>
>> >>> Much love,
>> >>> Jake
>> >>> ________________
>> >>>
>> >>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once
>> >>> again, and
>> >>> you will be free of problems.
>> >>> - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:25 PM Chris Kloth
>> >>> <chris.kloth at got2change.com <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in
>> >>> the middle of
>> >>> > a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk)
>> >>> that is
>> >>> > pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall
>> >>> triggered a
>> >>> > powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we
>> >>> were to
>> >>> > start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me
>> >>> that he
>> >>> > thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also
>> >>> made it
>> >>> > clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other
>> >>> workplace
>> >>> > issues would probably come up and that there was no way
>> >>> these could be
>> >>> > addressed in such a setting.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
>> >>> labor issues
>> >>> > would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
>> >>> > requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also
>> >>> asked him to
>> >>> > listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the
>> >>> subject.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the
>> >>> first round
>> >>> > and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled
>> >>> at me big
>> >>> > time. I will admit I was nervous.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
>> >>> frustration, 30
>> >>> > minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the
>> >>> best jobs n
>> >>> > the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the
>> >>> end of the
>> >>> > second round the company president faxed from the other
>> >>> site that
>> >>> > their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy,
>> >>> excitement, and optimism.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Shalom,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Chris Kloth
>> >>> > ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> > 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> > Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> > ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> > fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> > www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yeager at gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:jacob.yeager at gmail.com>>:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Hey Chris,
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to
>> >>> hear your
>> >>> > > experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
>> >>> mentioned is still
>> >>> > > active!
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum
>> >>> and the non-profit
>> >>> > > partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>> >>> > > - I am an internal consultant, and our organization
>> >>> has multiple
>> >>> > sites.
>> >>> > > I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What
>> >>> do you recommend
>> >>> > for
>> >>> > > executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Thank you so much Chris!
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
>> >>> recommendations for
>> >>> > > executing OS cross-site, please do!
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > All the best,
>> >>> > > Jake
>> >>> > > ________________
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
>> >>> once again, and
>> >>> > > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> > > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
>> >>> <chris.kloth at got2change.com <mailto:chris.kloth at got2change.com>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
>> >>> division of
>> >>> > >> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included
>> >>> virtually 100% of the
>> >>> > >> employees of the new organization in two geographic
>> >>> locations
>> >>> > >> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
>> >>> midwest. We had
>> >>> > >> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
>> >>> communicate what
>> >>> > >> was going on at each location each round! By the end of
>> >>> the process
>> >>> > >> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic
>> >>> organization
>> >>> > >> structure.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> >>> > >> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing
>> >>> early childhood
>> >>> > >> care and education to very different types of children,
>> >>> resulting in a
>> >>> > >> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a
>> >>> plan for the
>> >>> > >> first two years of their partnership. That partnership
>> >>> is now almost
>> >>> > >> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the
>> >>> principles of OST.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> --
>> >>> > >> Shalom,
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Chris Kloth
>> >>> > >> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> >>> > >> 254 South Merkle Road
>> >>> > >> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> >>> > >> ph 614-239-1336
>> >>> > >> fax 614-237-2347
>> >>> > >> www.got2change.com <http://www.got2change.com/>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Think globally. Act locally.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
>> >>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> > Hi all,
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission
>> >>> and/or vision
>> >>> > statement
>> >>> > >> or
>> >>> > >> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it
>> >>> go? Any
>> >>> > >> recommendations?
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Thanks!
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > Much love as always,
>> >>> > >> > Jake
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
>> >>> person! :)
>> >>> > >> > ________________
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will
>> >>> shine once again,
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > >> > you will be free of problems.
>> >>> > >> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/>
>> >>> > >> >
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
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>> >>> Program.
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>> >>> Message: 5
>> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:11:40 -0400
>> >>> From: Tony Budak <tonybudak at tbmw.org <mailto:tonybudak at tbmw.org>>
>> >>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> >>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> >>> Subject: [OSList] Open Space Hangout! Tues Aug 13, 12 PM EDT!
>> >>> Message-ID: <646af711-8a01-11f6-b712-b187e005129a at tbmw.org
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>> >>> *Open Space Hang Out is ON for today at NOON est*
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/5/2019 6:49 PM, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList wrote:
>> >>> > Hey all!!
>> >>> >
>> >>> > We'll be hanging out again tomorrow and waiting to see who
>> >>> shows up
>> >>> > and what happens! The Open Space hangout will be happening
>> >>> on Zoom
>> >>> > this *Tuesday*?- *August 6th **@12 PM Eastern Daylight Time!*
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Pop in and ask questions, workshop ideas, explore
>> >>> possibilities, share
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