[OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!

[Jeff Aitken]

I read in the proceedings of the Great Open Space that there was an
experience not to replicate. I'll learn from that!

Jeff


On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 8:46 AM paul levy via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Nick
>
> For the very reason Harrison points to in his tale - the shenanigans and
> confusion created by calling it open space, I recommend you call it Open
> Space - if not the guy wouldn't have stood up and said what he said, and
> did what he did. It was the right thing to happen and it led to the
> splendid little tale that Harrison just shared. I'm glad he had the story
> to tell and I am glad the guy had the opportunity to hotfoot out of there.
>
> As a lot of people say on this list  - "It's all open space".
>
> And it is.
>
> Or not.
>
> PL
>
> On 7 April 2018 at 14:39, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Nick – One of the problems in calling what you do Open Space is that
>> there are a lot of people around the world who know the real thing. I am
>> reminded of a large gathering (500) that was billed as Open Space, but
>> clearly wasn’t. A participant stood up and loudly proclaimed “I don’t know
>> what the F… this is – but it sure ain’t Open Space. I’m gone until we open
>> things up.” He left, and half the group followed, thereby creating an
>> interesting situation for the sponsors.
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>> Harrison
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>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Nick Martin via OSList
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 8:31 AM
>> *To:* Dan Mezick via OSList
>> *Cc:* Nick Martin
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!
>>
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>>
>> Hi everybody!
>>
>> Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching
>> with enormous interest.
>>
>> I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to take me
>> through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is veering from the
>> traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks again Bhav).
>>
>> For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who are
>> far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to changing it.
>>
>> Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new draft
>> and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a wonderful
>> idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end up with ...
>> assuming it's clean :)
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>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing
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>> Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel
>> obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.
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>> *Nick Martin*
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>> On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:
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>> “CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate name.
>> Either that or “Project Management”.
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>> with a twist, of course.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> I see the site has a contact page: https://workshopbank.com/contact
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>> Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this
>> thing Open Space with a twist?
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>> Peggy Holman
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>> 425-746-6274
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> *From:* Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *Date:* April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT
>> *To:* "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *Cc:* Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>> *Subject:* *Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!*
>> *Reply-To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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>> This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old
>> habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that
>> somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the
>> predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.
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>> Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can
>> understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy.
>> Open Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has
>> for millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself
>> (at least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those
>> “meeting planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the
>> participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning
>> Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone
>> could ask the pertinent questions for which they will supply the only
>> answers, personally or through imported “experts.”  --  is soul numbing.
>> Sad.
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>>
>> Harrison
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>>
>> Winter Address
>>
>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>
>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>
>> 301-365-2093
>>
>>
>>
>> Summer Address
>>
>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>
>> Camden, ME 04843
>>
>> 207 763-3261
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>>
>> Websites
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>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>
>> www.ho-image.com
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>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Eva P Svensson
>> via OSList
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM
>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Cc:* Eva P Svensson
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!
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>> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
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>> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
>> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
>> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
>> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
>> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
>> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
>> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
>>
>> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
>> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
>> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
>> the time was over…
>>
>> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
>> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
>>
>> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
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>> Hugs
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>> :o)
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>> Eva
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>> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
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>> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
>> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*
>> "
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