[OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!

[paul levy]

Nick

For the very reason Harrison points to in his tale - the shenanigans and
confusion created by calling it open space, I recommend you call it Open
Space - if not the guy wouldn't have stood up and said what he said, and
did what he did. It was the right thing to happen and it led to the
splendid little tale that Harrison just shared. I'm glad he had the story
to tell and I am glad the guy had the opportunity to hotfoot out of there.

As a lot of people say on this list  - "It's all open space".

And it is.

Or not.

PL

On 7 April 2018 at 14:39, Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Nick – One of the problems in calling what you do Open Space is that there
> are a lot of people around the world who know the real thing. I am reminded
> of a large gathering (500) that was billed as Open Space, but clearly
> wasn’t. A participant stood up and loudly proclaimed “I don’t know what the
> F… this is – but it sure ain’t Open Space. I’m gone until we open things
> up.” He left, and half the group followed, thereby creating an interesting
> situation for the sponsors.
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> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Nick Martin via OSList
> *Sent:* Friday, April 6, 2018 8:31 AM
> *To:* Dan Mezick via OSList
> *Cc:* Nick Martin
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!
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> Hi everybody!
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> Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching with
> enormous interest.
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> I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to take me
> through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is veering from the
> traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks again Bhav).
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> For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who are
> far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to changing it.
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> Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new draft
> and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a wonderful
> idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end up with ...
> assuming it's clean :)
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> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3
> VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing
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> Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel
> obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.
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> On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:
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> “CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate name.
> Either that or “Project Management”.
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> with a twist, of course.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> I see the site has a contact page: https://workshopbank.com/contact
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> Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this
> thing Open Space with a twist?
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> Peggy Holman
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> *From:* Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Date:* April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT
> *To:* "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Cc:* Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> *Subject:* *Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!*
> *Reply-To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old
> habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/knowing that
> somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the
> predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.
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> Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can
> understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy.
> Open Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has
> for millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself
> (at least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those
> “meeting planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the
> participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning
> Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone
> could ask the pertinent questions for which they will supply the only
> answers, personally or through imported “experts.”  --  is soul numbing.
> Sad.
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> Harrison
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> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Eva P Svensson
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM
> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Cc:* Eva P Svensson
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!
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> Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!
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> Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how
> frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and
>  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any
> obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a
> topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min
> breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that
> topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up
> front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!
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> Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big
> confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time
> was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that
> the time was over…
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> And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an
> Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…
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> Oh my - what an interesting experience …
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> Hugs
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> 3 apr. 2018 kl. 13:20 skrev Bhavesh Patel via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>:
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> Classic - "*There’s a twist in this version with the inclusion of a
> process that gives the organizers a little more control over the agenda.*"
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