<div dir="ltr">Nick<div><br></div><div>For the very reason Harrison points to in his tale - the shenanigans and confusion created by calling it open space, I recommend you call it Open Space - if not the guy wouldn't have stood up and said what he said, and did what he did. It was the right thing to happen and it led to the splendid little tale that Harrison just shared. I'm glad he had the story to tell and I am glad the guy had the opportunity to hotfoot out of there.</div><div><br></div><div>As a lot of people say on this list  - "It's all open space".</div><div><br></div><div>And it is.</div><div><br></div><div>Or not.</div><div><br></div><div>PL<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 April 2018 at 14:39, Harrison Owen via OSList <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_3843510457735598792WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nick – One of the problems in calling what you do Open Space is that there are a lot of people around the world who know the real thing. I am reminded of a large gathering (500) that was billed as Open Space, but clearly wasn’t. A participant stood up and loudly proclaimed “I don’t know what the F… this is – but it sure ain’t Open Space. I’m gone until we open things up.” He left, and half the group followed, thereby creating an interesting situation for the sponsors. <u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Winter Address<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">7808 River Falls Dr.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Potomac, MD 20854<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">301-365-2093<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Summer Address<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189 Beaucauire Ave<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden, ME 04843<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">207 763-3261<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Websites<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> OSList [mailto:<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist-bounces@lists.<wbr>openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Martin via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 6, 2018 8:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dan Mezick via OSList<br><b>Cc:</b> Nick Martin<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Fwd: Hope Never Dies!<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Source Sans Pro","serif"">Hi everybody!<br><br>Thank you all so much for your excellent feedback. I've been watching with enormous interest.<br><br>I've just had a great Skype with Bhav where he was kind enough to take me through in more detail where my rendition of Open Space is veering from the traditional. It was incredibly enlightening (thanks again Bhav).<br><br>For me, it's critical I get this right for readers of my website who are far less experienced than your good selves so I'm committed to changing it.<br><br>Bhav suggested that I might create an editable Google Doc of a new draft and share it with you for comments and edits. I thought that a wonderful idea! Here it is and I promise to publish whatever we end up with ... assuming it's clean :)<br><br><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1ufIsy0BQvIqlRUbW0FAyXHGV0IKw3<wbr>VdDT8L91RIJJU8/edit?usp=<wbr>sharing</a><br><br>Naturally the Law of Two Feet very much applies so please don't feel obligated. All input and feedback is very much appreciated.<br><br></span><u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_3843510457735598792WISESTAMP_SIG_8027"><div><div style="margin-bottom:4.8pt"><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div id="m_3843510457735598792tp1"><table class="m_3843510457735598792MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="470" style="width:282.0pt"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Nick Martin</span></strong><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#646464"><br></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a href="http://workshopbank.com/?utm_source=wisestamp&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=emailsig" target="_blank">WorkshopBank</a></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#646464"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#ed7500">m:</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#8d8d8d"><a href="tel:+45%2042%2047%2000%2074" target="_blank"><span style="color:#8d8d8d;text-decoration:none"> +45 42 47 00 74</span></a> | </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#ed7500">e: </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#8d8d8d"><a href="mailto:nick@workshopbank.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#8d8d8d;text-decoration:none">nick@workshopbank.com</span></a> | </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#ed7500">w: </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#8d8d8d"><a href="http://workshopbank.com/?utm_source=wisestamp&utm_medium=signature&utm_campaign=emailsig" target="_blank"><span style="color:#8d8d8d;text-decoration:none">workshopbank.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="https://www.facebook.com/workshopbank" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="16" height="16" id="m_3843510457735598792_x0000_i1025" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/facebook.png" alt="Facebook"></span></a><a href="https://twitter.com/workshopbank" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="16" height="16" id="m_3843510457735598792_x0000_i1026" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/twitter.png" alt="Twitter"></span></a><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickmartn" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:none"><img border="0" width="16" height="16" id="m_3843510457735598792_x0000_i1027" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/linkedin.png" alt="LinkedIn"></span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 04/04/2018 16:37, Dan Mezick via OSList wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">“CFCF” (control for control freaks) might be a more appropriate name. Either that or “Project Management”.  <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">with a twist, of course.<u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_3843510457735598792AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">I see the site has a contact page: <a href="https://workshopbank.com/contact" target="_blank">https://workshopbank.<wbr>com/contact</a> <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Anyone care to give them some feedback and request they stop calling this thing Open Space with a twist?<u></u><u></u></p><div id="m_3843510457735598792AppleMailSignature"><p class="MsoNormal">Peggy Holman  <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">425-746-6274<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>Date:</b> April 4, 2018 at 6:40:52 AM PDT<br><b>To:</b> "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'" <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank">hhowen@verizon.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">oslist@lists.openspacetech.<wbr>org</a>><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">This is not the first time for this conversation… The simple truth: Old habits die very hard. The habit of thinking/hoping/wishing/<wbr>knowing that somebody is in charge doesn’t play very well in Open Space. And so the predictable arrives as prognosticated. Or something.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Some find this ongoing situation an occasion to defend the process. I can understand the feeling, but I am quite sure it is not worth the energy. Open Space/self organization will do quite well all by itself, as it has for millennia. But there is a sadness, which on occasion expresses itself (at least in me) as anger. I find the ignorance and arrogance of those “meeting planners” to be totally appalling. The massive disrespect of the participants manifest in the presumption that they (the “planning Committee”) alone possess the keys to knowledge and action… that they alone could ask the pertinent questions for which they will supply the only answers, personally or through imported “experts.”  --  is soul numbing. Sad.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Harrison </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Winter Address</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">7808 River Falls Dr.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Potomac, MD 20854</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">301-365-2093</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Summer Address</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">189 Beaucauire Ave</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Camden, ME 04843</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">207 763-3261</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Websites</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com" target="_blank">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="http://www.ho-image.com" target="_blank">www.ho-image.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org" target="_blank">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.<wbr>openspacetech.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eva P Svensson via OSList<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 3, 2018 7:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> World wide Open Space Technology email list<br><b>Cc:</b> Eva P Svensson<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSList] Hope Never Dies!</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Don’t call it Open Space  if it’s not Open space!!<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Another thing.. I visited my first ”Bar camp” a week ago. Oh my how frustrated I was with the control! Imagine that we had to stand up and  tell our name and two topic that we would like to talk about (without any obligation to bring them up). After that the ones who wanted to raise a topic - stod up and read what s/he wanted to talk about in the 45 min breakout sessions. Then we were asked to raise our hands if we thought that topic was a good idea  - and not if it’ wasn’t… Just imagine standing up front of all participants with a topic and no one raised their hand…!<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nothing was said about how to collect the recordings so there was a big confusion about that. Every breakout session was 45 min and when the time was out - the ”facilitator” came in the different rooms and announced that the time was over…<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And of course no circles , just tables. Can you imagine me as being an Open Space ”fundamentalist” being oh so much frustrated…<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Oh my - what an interesting experience …<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hugs<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">:o)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Eva<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br></span><span class="m_3843510457735598792apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bästa hälsningar</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="m_3843510457735598792ecxmsonormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt">Eva P Svensson</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="m_3843510457735598792ecxmsonormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt">EPS Human Invest AB</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="m_3843510457735598792ecxmsonormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt">"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer"</span></i><u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="m_3843510457735598792ecxmsonormal" style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNor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