[OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
Michael Herman via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Fri Sep 1 07:37:44 PDT 2017
you remind me, paul, that often it's possible to ask one or more questions
in the invitation, following them with "that's what we want to find out."
i learned this from harrison years ago. it's like you say, loving
indifference to what actually happens, but not indifferent about finding
out. it's like the suspense of a good story. we want and can feel
ourselves being pulled into and along with it. and we want to know what
happens, whatever it might be.
--
Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)
http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
wrote:
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> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
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> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Paul Levy via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving
>> indifference";
>>
>> - love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST
>> - love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising
>> meeting
>>
>> The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their
>> indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an
>> eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive spiritual symmetry.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Paul Levy
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lucas,
>>> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create
>>> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot
>>> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator
>>> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that
>>> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding
>>> actions/follow through....and there have.
>>>
>>> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to
>>> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason
>>> for OST.
>>>
>>> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so,
>>> you could have as given:
>>> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of
>>> the discussion groups
>>> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be
>>> done
>>> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the
>>> voting...next steps for action will be invited
>>>
>>>
>>> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional design
>>> elements.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman <
>>> michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
>>>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
>>>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
>>>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
>>>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
>>>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
>>>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
>>>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
>>>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
>>>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting <grin>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone
>>>>>> who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high.
>>>>>> Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work,
>>>>>> ask one of the people with their hands held up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___________
>>>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is
>>>>>> too small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great
>>>>>> opportunity". I would not make definitive statements about the tarnished
>>>>>> name of Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space..
>>>>>> Rather, I would really open the space wide for creating the community we
>>>>>> love". Who knows what inspirations might show up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
>>>>>> Birgitt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they
>>>>>>> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules." the
>>>>>>> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you
>>>>>>> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you
>>>>>>> can." this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at
>>>>>>> your own risk. the moving about with two feet is just describing what
>>>>>>> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to
>>>>>>> promise safety. that's a tall order. made taller by simultaneously saying
>>>>>>> that ALL ideas are welcome. the combination of inviting everyone to learn
>>>>>>> and contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
>>>>>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough. if you promise "safe" space,
>>>>>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>>>>>>> responsible. what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>>>>>>> everyone's safety. when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>>>>>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>>>>>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing. the principles and law accomplish
>>>>>>> that pretty well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Herman
>>>>>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>>>>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>>>>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May
>>>>>>>> seem rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
>>>>>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>>>>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
>>>>>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
>>>>>>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Harrison
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply. Below is the
>>>>>>>> draft script for the event. I wrote it down since I'm out of practice. I
>>>>>>>> won't read it word for word; it's just a guide. You'll see the rules and
>>>>>>>> the law are not referred to directly, since I think the crowd will
>>>>>>>> understand it better if we explain it like this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I may be very wrong about that. I'm just doing what
>>>>>>>> seems best in my judgement. I'm 100% open to any and all suggestions!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8:30am: Opening
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [JESSICA]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome, everyone. My name is Jessica G. And my name is Lucas C.
>>>>>>>> All of us are gathered here to think together, and we are here to work
>>>>>>>> together. If this goes well, it could be the start of something big.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlottesville’s name has been tarnished. We have a window of
>>>>>>>> opportunity for a second act. That window is closing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there’s one community that can think outside the box and is not
>>>>>>>> intimidated by obstacles, it’s the tech community. But we need vision, we
>>>>>>>> need passion, and we need to be grounded in what’s practical, so that’s why
>>>>>>>> we invited the leaders of ten local civic and activist groups from across
>>>>>>>> the political spectrum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [LUCAS]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a participant-driven event, and it will be what we all make
>>>>>>>> of it. Our job as facilitators is to help you be at your best and then to
>>>>>>>> get out of the way
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some ground rules for all of us to keep in mind:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Everyone is welcome here, and we mean everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · All ideas are welcome here, and we mean all ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · This is a safe space for all of us to express any idea,
>>>>>>>> even ones which are tough to hear, as long as you are coming from a place
>>>>>>>> of respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · And on the flip side, if you hear something that triggers
>>>>>>>> you, first please assume that the other person is coming from a place of
>>>>>>>> respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> · Think about who is not in the room and speak for them if
>>>>>>>> you can. We don’t represent all of Charlottesville, so it’s important to
>>>>>>>> think about who isn’t present so that we find solutions that work for the
>>>>>>>> most people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think big. What can we do as a tech community and as a city that
>>>>>>>> makes a splash nationally? Can you think of a solution that breaks out of
>>>>>>>> the left-right paradigm, or a solution that helps us find commonality
>>>>>>>> rather than getting tripped up over a long and complicated racial past?
>>>>>>>> Can you find solutions that appeal to both the center and the fringes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here’s how this event will happen. You see over there an open
>>>>>>>> agenda wall. Across the top, you see six spaces: the four corners of this
>>>>>>>> room, Conference Room 1, and Conference Room 2. Going down the left side,
>>>>>>>> you see three rounds of discussion. Each round lasts 40 minutes with a
>>>>>>>> 5-minute break in between. There will be a 15-minute closing session at
>>>>>>>> the end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want remote participants to be able to join your session,
>>>>>>>> then please schedule your session in one of the conference rooms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a moment, each of us will have the opportunity to post a session
>>>>>>>> topic. You’ll walk to the center of the circle, pick up a piece of paper
>>>>>>>> and a marker. Write the discussion topic and your name. Announce it, and
>>>>>>>> then post it on the agenda wall. Sessions should be conversational rather
>>>>>>>> than presentations or monologues. All you have to do have are some great
>>>>>>>> questions, and the answers will come through the discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let’s give everyone a moment to think about what sessions they want
>>>>>>>> to hold before we get started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (pause for a minute)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, when you’re ready, please go ahead and write down your session
>>>>>>>> topic and then announce it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (people start announcing and posting their topics on the wall)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we’ll start the breakout sessions. This is your event, so you
>>>>>>>> won’t see us dropping by to remind you of how much time is left or the need
>>>>>>>> to wrap up. If your conversation is running long, please take it to the
>>>>>>>> cafe area, out of respect for the people who are participating in the next
>>>>>>>> session in that space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Open space has the law of two feet, which means that if find a
>>>>>>>> conversation isn’t going the way you expected, you are highly encouraged to
>>>>>>>> pick up and move to another conversation where you can contribute more.
>>>>>>>> Don’t take it personally if people drop out of your session.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can feel free to hop between sessions, and you can feel free to
>>>>>>>> just hang out by yourself in the hallway or even take a walk with someone
>>>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whenever possible, please take good notes for those who could not
>>>>>>>> attend. We expect that many people across the community will want to
>>>>>>>> organize around your ideas and help you implement them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are there any questions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok, the session topics are posted. Let’s make today count.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9:00am: Breakout Round 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 9:45am: Breakout Round 2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10:30am: Breakout Round 3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 11:15am: Closing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Jessica]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Welcome back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What thoughts would you like to share with everyone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds wonderful . But what is this “openspacish” event? Just do
>>>>>>>> it. And if you need some help try Kai down in Harrisonburg. Used to be the
>>>>>>>> Mayor – and had done lots of OS – by the book. Works.And he shows up on the
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ho
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 4:42 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All, I sent this out to the NCDD listserv moments ago and
>>>>>>>> thought I need to share it with the wonderful folks here on OS-LIST too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You may have seen the violence in Charlottesville two weeks ago
>>>>>>>> when alt-right protesters and Black Lives Matter & Antifa
>>>>>>>> counter-protesters clashed. One alt-right sympathizer committed a
>>>>>>>> terrorist attack by violently plowing his car into a crowd of
>>>>>>>> counter-protesters, killing one and injuring 19.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The community is still stunned and no one knows what to do, so what
>>>>>>>> should we do? We should open some space. I'm putting together a 3-hour
>>>>>>>> open space-ish event on Thursday for the Cville tech community (and
>>>>>>>> inviting local leaders of civic and activist groups) so we can figure out
>>>>>>>> what we as technologists have to offer. If this goes well, we'll hold a
>>>>>>>> larger open space for all of Cville.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that goes well, maybe I can work with some of you to hold some
>>>>>>>> simultaneous open spaces across the country one day this Autumn. I'll also
>>>>>>>> try opening some space with Zoom & QiqoChat (for the breakouts). If/when
>>>>>>>> that happens, I'll be sure to reach out here so that we can plan this in
>>>>>>>> the open.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I look forward to seeing what else comes of all this...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: *Lucas Cioffi* <lucas at qiqochat.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Hi from Charlottesville (Round 2)
>>>>>>>> To: "NCDD-DISCUSSION at LISTS.NCDD.ORG" <NCDD-DISCUSSION at lists.ncdd.or
>>>>>>>> g>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for the tremendous discussion on this listserv
>>>>>>>> over the past sixteen days! I've learned so much from the resources and
>>>>>>>> ideas you have all shared.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *UPDATES*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The work to respond to the violence of August 12th is just
>>>>>>>> beginning. Last night the Department of Justice's Community
>>>>>>>> Relations Service <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs> (created
>>>>>>>> as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act) held their first public town meeting
>>>>>>>> here. I posted rough notes below so you can get a sense of what people
>>>>>>>> were talking about. It was supposed to last 2 hours, but went 3.5 hours.
>>>>>>>> The meeting was in a high school auditorium and there were about 500 people
>>>>>>>> present. Everyone had a chance at the microphone. There were no time
>>>>>>>> limits. There were 10 news crews present.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big themes that I heard:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Cville's black community is very upset about August 12th but
>>>>>>>> also about the lack of economic opportunity & affordable housing, and
>>>>>>>> pervasive racism
>>>>>>>> - many people are outraged by the police security plan on
>>>>>>>> August 12th
>>>>>>>> - many people feel the community is still not safe for them
>>>>>>>> - several people mentioning that they want to take action into
>>>>>>>> their own hands if City Council doesn't act (alluding to violence,
>>>>>>>> including the one guy who said he was the one who threatened the mayor at
>>>>>>>> the last City Council meeting)
>>>>>>>> - two people did get in a 5-min shouting match over the general
>>>>>>>> idea of taking down monuments
>>>>>>>> - there is a big lack of trust in government at all levels,
>>>>>>>> from the city (& police) to the DOJ and the President
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *NEXT STEPS*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a member of Cville's tech community, the first step I'm taking
>>>>>>>> is co-organizing a 3-hour "open space" this Thursday. The target audience
>>>>>>>> is our local tech community plus leaders of local civic and activist
>>>>>>>> groups. If this succeeds, we'll help convene a bigger one open which will
>>>>>>>> be open to everyone in Charlottesville.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've also heard from 10 local citizens and half dozen members of
>>>>>>>> this listserv who want to volunteer for any local dialogue initiative that
>>>>>>>> we may plan. I'm sincerely thankful for those of you who have reached
>>>>>>>> out. For those that cannot make it to Cville, I think we will also plan
>>>>>>>> online dialogue using Zoom video chat (breakout rooms made possible by
>>>>>>>> QiqoChat) during which time any NCDD member can host a breakout room and
>>>>>>>> use any dialogue technique they want; the audience will be people across
>>>>>>>> the country. We'll have an open planning process if/when that happens, so
>>>>>>>> you will hear about it on this listserv.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll know more after the local tech community convenes on Thursday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> INTRODUCTION BY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Department of Justice Community Relations Service
>>>>>>>> - Three phases: recovery, dialogue, moving forward
>>>>>>>> - Acknowledge what has happened
>>>>>>>> - Many questions have been asked and are under investigation.
>>>>>>>> - We need to educate ourselves to preven tthis from reoccurring.
>>>>>>>> - We've had dialogue about who we are in the past.
>>>>>>>> - Let's be patient.
>>>>>>>> - We all have to be able to listen.
>>>>>>>> - DOJ CRS created as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
>>>>>>>> https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs
>>>>>>>> <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs>
>>>>>>>> - Tonight we will collect concerns, identify common themes, and
>>>>>>>> create resolution.
>>>>>>>> - Here are the ground rules: respect, one person at a time, etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> COMMUNITY CONCERNS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in Trump & Attorney General Jeff Sessions
>>>>>>>> - police were reactive instead fo proactive
>>>>>>>> - lack of leadership from City Council
>>>>>>>> - we need better gun control in parks
>>>>>>>> - we need to learn how to get these statues down
>>>>>>>> - we need all voices heard; the political right should be a
>>>>>>>> part of the meeting not a target of this meeting
>>>>>>>> - the county is part of the Cville community
>>>>>>>> - we need faith in rule of law
>>>>>>>> - police failed to protect our people
>>>>>>>> - wishing there was a way to remove privilege
>>>>>>>> - http://solidaritycville.com/Demands/ has 10 demands:
>>>>>>>> - 1. Revoke the permit for the August 12 “Unite the Right March
>>>>>>>> on Charlottesville” and grant a permit for the Carnival de Resistance.
>>>>>>>> - 2. Remove the Lee and Jackson statues, now.
>>>>>>>> - 3. Fulfill the “Positive Vision of Resident Directed
>>>>>>>> Redevelopment” from the Charlottesville Public Housing Association of
>>>>>>>> Residents.
>>>>>>>> - 4. Drop the charges against Veronica Fitzhugh.
>>>>>>>> - 5. Apologize publicly for negligence in Sage Smith’s
>>>>>>>> disappearance, and commit to an expansion of the investigation.
>>>>>>>> - 6. Cease the targeting of Black families by social services
>>>>>>>> to send children into foster care.
>>>>>>>> - 7. End JADE (Jefferson Area Drug Enforcement militarized
>>>>>>>> police unit).
>>>>>>>> - 8. End money bail, and release people being held without bond
>>>>>>>> before their trial.
>>>>>>>> - 9. Stop discriminatory stop-and-frisk.
>>>>>>>> - need affordable housing
>>>>>>>> - police need to apologize
>>>>>>>> - discriminatory foster care poliies
>>>>>>>> - militarization of police
>>>>>>>> - stop & frisk
>>>>>>>> - remove monuments
>>>>>>>> - resist white supremacy
>>>>>>>> - sage smith's family
>>>>>>>> - too few minority faces here
>>>>>>>> - want understanding
>>>>>>>> - call this a terrorist attack
>>>>>>>> - systemic ideal of race
>>>>>>>> - the DOJ note-taker miswrote on the screen what someone said
>>>>>>>> and instead wrote "extend white privilege"
>>>>>>>> - it's a shame that there are no Congressional staff here
>>>>>>>> listening
>>>>>>>> - why were there no barricades on 4th street?
>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in government
>>>>>>>> - gun control
>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a waste of time, because we're staring from
>>>>>>>> zero instead of the work that was already done at the Jefferson School a
>>>>>>>> few days after
>>>>>>>> - Jefferson School had a better, more engaging meeting
>>>>>>>> - City Councilmembers have received death threats and that is
>>>>>>>> unacceptable
>>>>>>>> - black women want to feel safe
>>>>>>>> - white nationalists mapped out the black neighborhoods
>>>>>>>> according to online evidence
>>>>>>>> - if more blacks were present at the rally, the alt-right would
>>>>>>>> have opened fire
>>>>>>>> - how do we protect ourselves
>>>>>>>> - there should be no open carry law in Cville, there's a state
>>>>>>>> level rule (Dillon's Rule) that prevents us from making our own laws unless
>>>>>>>> specifically granted permission by the VA legislature
>>>>>>>> - white supremacists are still in town
>>>>>>>> - we are lucky that there was no massacre; we got very lucky
>>>>>>>> - tired of calls for unity
>>>>>>>> - feel abandoned by federal government
>>>>>>>> - DOJ is taking away resources from liberal causes (voter ID
>>>>>>>> laws, LGBT rights, etc)
>>>>>>>> - I don't want unity with local wingnuts who have a rifle and a
>>>>>>>> menacing look on their face
>>>>>>>> - ask for resignations of city council and city manager
>>>>>>>> - "Attorney General is a monument to white supremacy"
>>>>>>>> - drop a bomb in Afghanistan and you're dropping it in Cville
>>>>>>>> too, because a refugee is affected
>>>>>>>> - free political prisoners
>>>>>>>> - investigation of police body cameras
>>>>>>>> - tear gas on Cville residents
>>>>>>>> - power to the people (w/ black power fist)
>>>>>>>> - "they are trying to bury us; we are seeds"
>>>>>>>> - prosecute community leaders for failing to protect
>>>>>>>> - charge Richard Spencer
>>>>>>>> - call a terrorist a terrorist
>>>>>>>> - When will Kessler get charged?
>>>>>>>> - minorities are silenced through a summer of hate
>>>>>>>> - no justice
>>>>>>>> - police should have stop and frisked Nazis
>>>>>>>> - our low income community has a gate to keep people in; not
>>>>>>>> the way it should be
>>>>>>>> - want harsh punishments of the alt-right
>>>>>>>> - there is no affordable housing
>>>>>>>> - there is too much racial profiling and unreasonable search
>>>>>>>> - there needs to be recreation at low income housing areas;
>>>>>>>> YMCA not affordable
>>>>>>>> - no activities for black people
>>>>>>>> - there should be free speech for the people who disrubpted the
>>>>>>>> council meeting
>>>>>>>> - there was a generation of blacks taught to not speak up
>>>>>>>> - thank you to the white community for coming out in support of
>>>>>>>> the black community
>>>>>>>> - there were movies which all happened near here (Birth of a
>>>>>>>> Nation, Loving, Hidden Figures); Hollywood must have known that something
>>>>>>>> big was going to happen
>>>>>>>> - we need to make our history more accessible
>>>>>>>> - "each one, teach one"
>>>>>>>> - lack of police presence at minority events
>>>>>>>> - we're having to police ourselves
>>>>>>>> - what is the role of Civlle police?
>>>>>>>> - our history is that our city chose to close schools instead
>>>>>>>> of desegregate
>>>>>>>> - our history is Vinegar Hill
>>>>>>>> - they want to kill back men, especially if they have knowledge
>>>>>>>> - someone should pay my doctor bills for getting tear-gassed
>>>>>>>> - judge has blood on his hands
>>>>>>>> - "if you don't get it, we will shut it down"
>>>>>>>> - leadership should resign
>>>>>>>> - we should all vote differently
>>>>>>>> - "What has voting done for us in the past?"- person yelled out
>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a farce; we need truth
>>>>>>>> - where are police when the shroud is removed from the statue
>>>>>>>> last night?
>>>>>>>> - Mayor should resign
>>>>>>>> - (speaker says he was the one that threatened the Mayor at the
>>>>>>>> last city council meeting)
>>>>>>>> - give equal rights to blacks
>>>>>>>> - if you can't do it, we will
>>>>>>>> - police plan was publicly "arrest people when fights break
>>>>>>>> out" but that didn't happen
>>>>>>>> - don't allow hate speech; follow Europe's example of no Nazi
>>>>>>>> symbols
>>>>>>>> - our divided country is week
>>>>>>>> - many of the Nazis are young, impressionable people
>>>>>>>> - alt-right leaders are saying they are taking the country back
>>>>>>>> - be careful of what the government tells you, they told us the
>>>>>>>> police got pepper-sprayed at the KKK rally (the reason they used tear gas)
>>>>>>>> but they're not saying that anymore
>>>>>>>> - Trump = terrorist
>>>>>>>> - investigate Trump
>>>>>>>> - ISIS would not get a permit
>>>>>>>> - deny the next permit
>>>>>>>> - we need honesty and accountability
>>>>>>>> - we need to elect better people
>>>>>>>> - what if we had this meeting on July 9th instead? this
>>>>>>>> meeting is too little & too late
>>>>>>>> - This will play out in Richmond bigger if not solved
>>>>>>>> - people shouldn't come in from out of town to battle on our
>>>>>>>> streets
>>>>>>>> - we need more black people at our meeting; we need a different
>>>>>>>> venue
>>>>>>>> - police faced the community not the KKK
>>>>>>>> - media showed up at UVA torch rally long before police;
>>>>>>>> shameful on police
>>>>>>>> - no police presence at black churches and many other places
>>>>>>>> - need a different process other than this meeting; Jefferson
>>>>>>>> School meeting was much better
>>>>>>>> - mental health professionals are volunteering to help Cville
>>>>>>>> residents; there should be official support of such a program
>>>>>>>> - many people are terrorized
>>>>>>>> - get rid of monuments
>>>>>>>> - change happens within ourselves
>>>>>>>> - don't wait for the City's investigations to conclude; that's
>>>>>>>> giving away power
>>>>>>>> - drop charges on Veronica
>>>>>>>> - need a different system than the Cville City Council & City
>>>>>>>> Manager structure; our city is too big for that to work now
>>>>>>>> - there is police harassment
>>>>>>>> - there has been racism for a long time
>>>>>>>> - no affordable housing
>>>>>>>> - we black residents don't care about the statues
>>>>>>>> - when speech turns violent, it's not protected; there were
>>>>>>>> clear threats
>>>>>>>> - Me: this way this race-based violence is escalating is
>>>>>>>> following a similar pattern with what I saw civil war in Iraq
>>>>>>>> - Me: anyone interested in building bridges, please share your
>>>>>>>> email address
>>>>>>>> - the juvenile justice system is broken
>>>>>>>> - school to prison pipeline
>>>>>>>> - "when someone is incarcerated their family does time too"
>>>>>>>> - my boys are back from prison but mentally still locked up
>>>>>>>> - we need new economics to build wealth
>>>>>>>> - no good jobs
>>>>>>>> - need a mindshift change in city council
>>>>>>>> - there have never been two black city council members at any
>>>>>>>> given time
>>>>>>>> - UVA should be held accountable for the tiki torch rally
>>>>>>>> - all investigators should be independent
>>>>>>>> - we need a community security plan (ie sound fire station
>>>>>>>> alarms if there's an attack)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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