[OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
Birgitt Williams via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Fri Sep 1 07:50:03 PDT 2017
not so sure that there is such a thing as 'loving indifference'.
Love is....passionate, creative, life force and more.
Love plus detachment from outcome is a useful way for the facilitator to
be.
However, there is nothing wrong with positive expectancy......for the best
possible outcomes, whatever they may be.
I was picking up that it was not so useful to be in expectancy that
community OST may not lead to actions.
Blessings,
Birgitt
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:42 AM Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
wrote:
> you remind me, paul, that often it's possible to ask one or more questions
> in the invitation, following them with "that's what we want to find out."
> i learned this from harrison years ago. it's like you say, loving
> indifference to what actually happens, but not indifferent about finding
> out. it's like the suspense of a good story. we want and can feel
> ourselves being pulled into and along with it. and we want to know what
> happens, whatever it might be.
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>
>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Paul Levy via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving
>>> indifference";
>>>
>>> - love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST
>>> - love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising
>>> meeting
>>>
>>> The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their
>>> indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an
>>> eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive spiritual symmetry.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Paul Levy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create
>>>> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot
>>>> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator
>>>> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that
>>>> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding
>>>> actions/follow through....and there have.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to
>>>> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason
>>>> for OST.
>>>>
>>>> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so,
>>>> you could have as given:
>>>> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of
>>>> the discussion groups
>>>> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be
>>>> done
>>>> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the
>>>> voting...next steps for action will be invited
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional
>>>> design elements.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman <
>>>> michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
>>>>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
>>>>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
>>>>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
>>>>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
>>>>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
>>>>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
>>>>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
>>>>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
>>>>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting <grin>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman <
>>>>> michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <
>>>>>> chris.corrigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone
>>>>>>> who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high.
>>>>>>> Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work,
>>>>>>> ask one of the people with their hands held up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ___________
>>>>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>>>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is
>>>>>>> too small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great
>>>>>>> opportunity". I would not make definitive statements about the tarnished
>>>>>>> name of Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space..
>>>>>>> Rather, I would really open the space wide for creating the community we
>>>>>>> love". Who knows what inspirations might show up!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
>>>>>>> Birgitt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
>>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they
>>>>>>>> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules." the
>>>>>>>> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you
>>>>>>>> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you
>>>>>>>> can." this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at
>>>>>>>> your own risk. the moving about with two feet is just describing what
>>>>>>>> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to
>>>>>>>> promise safety. that's a tall order. made taller by simultaneously saying
>>>>>>>> that ALL ideas are welcome. the combination of inviting everyone to learn
>>>>>>>> and contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
>>>>>>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough. if you promise "safe" space,
>>>>>>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>>>>>>>> responsible. what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>>>>>>>> everyone's safety. when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>>>>>>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>>>>>>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing. the principles and law accomplish
>>>>>>>> that pretty well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Herman
>>>>>>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>>>>>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>>>>>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May
>>>>>>>>> seem rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
>>>>>>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>>>>>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
>>>>>>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
>>>>>>>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Harrison
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply. Below is the
>>>>>>>>> draft script for the event. I wrote it down since I'm out of practice. I
>>>>>>>>> won't read it word for word; it's just a guide. You'll see the rules and
>>>>>>>>> the law are not referred to directly, since I think the crowd will
>>>>>>>>> understand it better if we explain it like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I may be very wrong about that. I'm just doing what
>>>>>>>>> seems best in my judgement. I'm 100% open to any and all suggestions!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lucas
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8:30am: Opening
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [JESSICA]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome, everyone. My name is Jessica G. And my name is Lucas
>>>>>>>>> C. All of us are gathered here to think together, and we are here to work
>>>>>>>>> together. If this goes well, it could be the start of something big.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlottesville’s name has been tarnished. We have a window of
>>>>>>>>> opportunity for a second act. That window is closing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there’s one community that can think outside the box and is not
>>>>>>>>> intimidated by obstacles, it’s the tech community. But we need vision, we
>>>>>>>>> need passion, and we need to be grounded in what’s practical, so that’s why
>>>>>>>>> we invited the leaders of ten local civic and activist groups from across
>>>>>>>>> the political spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [LUCAS]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a participant-driven event, and it will be what we all
>>>>>>>>> make of it. Our job as facilitators is to help you be at your best and
>>>>>>>>> then to get out of the way
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some ground rules for all of us to keep in mind:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> · Everyone is welcome here, and we mean everyone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> · All ideas are welcome here, and we mean all ideas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> · This is a safe space for all of us to express any idea,
>>>>>>>>> even ones which are tough to hear, as long as you are coming from a place
>>>>>>>>> of respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> · And on the flip side, if you hear something that
>>>>>>>>> triggers you, first please assume that the other person is coming from a
>>>>>>>>> place of respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> · Think about who is not in the room and speak for them if
>>>>>>>>> you can. We don’t represent all of Charlottesville, so it’s important to
>>>>>>>>> think about who isn’t present so that we find solutions that work for the
>>>>>>>>> most people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think big. What can we do as a tech community and as a city that
>>>>>>>>> makes a splash nationally? Can you think of a solution that breaks out of
>>>>>>>>> the left-right paradigm, or a solution that helps us find commonality
>>>>>>>>> rather than getting tripped up over a long and complicated racial past?
>>>>>>>>> Can you find solutions that appeal to both the center and the fringes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here’s how this event will happen. You see over there an open
>>>>>>>>> agenda wall. Across the top, you see six spaces: the four corners of this
>>>>>>>>> room, Conference Room 1, and Conference Room 2. Going down the left side,
>>>>>>>>> you see three rounds of discussion. Each round lasts 40 minutes with a
>>>>>>>>> 5-minute break in between. There will be a 15-minute closing session at
>>>>>>>>> the end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want remote participants to be able to join your session,
>>>>>>>>> then please schedule your session in one of the conference rooms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a moment, each of us will have the opportunity to post a
>>>>>>>>> session topic. You’ll walk to the center of the circle, pick up a piece of
>>>>>>>>> paper and a marker. Write the discussion topic and your name. Announce
>>>>>>>>> it, and then post it on the agenda wall. Sessions should be conversational
>>>>>>>>> rather than presentations or monologues. All you have to do have are some
>>>>>>>>> great questions, and the answers will come through the discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let’s give everyone a moment to think about what sessions they
>>>>>>>>> want to hold before we get started.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (pause for a minute)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, when you’re ready, please go ahead and write down your session
>>>>>>>>> topic and then announce it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (people start announcing and posting their topics on the wall)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now we’ll start the breakout sessions. This is your event, so you
>>>>>>>>> won’t see us dropping by to remind you of how much time is left or the need
>>>>>>>>> to wrap up. If your conversation is running long, please take it to the
>>>>>>>>> cafe area, out of respect for the people who are participating in the next
>>>>>>>>> session in that space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Open space has the law of two feet, which means that if find a
>>>>>>>>> conversation isn’t going the way you expected, you are highly encouraged to
>>>>>>>>> pick up and move to another conversation where you can contribute more.
>>>>>>>>> Don’t take it personally if people drop out of your session.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can feel free to hop between sessions, and you can feel free
>>>>>>>>> to just hang out by yourself in the hallway or even take a walk with
>>>>>>>>> someone outside.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whenever possible, please take good notes for those who could not
>>>>>>>>> attend. We expect that many people across the community will want to
>>>>>>>>> organize around your ideas and help you implement them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there any questions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok, the session topics are posted. Let’s make today count.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9:00am: Breakout Round 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 9:45am: Breakout Round 2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10:30am: Breakout Round 3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 11:15am: Closing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [Jessica]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Welcome back.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What thoughts would you like to share with everyone?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds wonderful . But what is this “openspacish” event? Just do
>>>>>>>>> it. And if you need some help try Kai down in Harrisonburg. Used to be the
>>>>>>>>> Mayor – and had done lots of OS – by the book. Works.And he shows up on the
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ho
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 4:42 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All, I sent this out to the NCDD listserv moments ago and
>>>>>>>>> thought I need to share it with the wonderful folks here on OS-LIST too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may have seen the violence in Charlottesville two weeks ago
>>>>>>>>> when alt-right protesters and Black Lives Matter & Antifa
>>>>>>>>> counter-protesters clashed. One alt-right sympathizer committed a
>>>>>>>>> terrorist attack by violently plowing his car into a crowd of
>>>>>>>>> counter-protesters, killing one and injuring 19.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The community is still stunned and no one knows what to do, so
>>>>>>>>> what should we do? We should open some space. I'm putting together a
>>>>>>>>> 3-hour open space-ish event on Thursday for the Cville tech community (and
>>>>>>>>> inviting local leaders of civic and activist groups) so we can figure out
>>>>>>>>> what we as technologists have to offer. If this goes well, we'll hold a
>>>>>>>>> larger open space for all of Cville.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If that goes well, maybe I can work with some of you to hold some
>>>>>>>>> simultaneous open spaces across the country one day this Autumn. I'll also
>>>>>>>>> try opening some space with Zoom & QiqoChat (for the breakouts). If/when
>>>>>>>>> that happens, I'll be sure to reach out here so that we can plan this in
>>>>>>>>> the open.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I look forward to seeing what else comes of all this...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: *Lucas Cioffi* <lucas at qiqochat.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Hi from Charlottesville (Round 2)
>>>>>>>>> To: "NCDD-DISCUSSION at LISTS.NCDD.ORG" <
>>>>>>>>> NCDD-DISCUSSION at lists.ncdd.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for the tremendous discussion on this listserv
>>>>>>>>> over the past sixteen days! I've learned so much from the resources and
>>>>>>>>> ideas you have all shared.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *UPDATES*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The work to respond to the violence of August 12th is just
>>>>>>>>> beginning. Last night the Department of Justice's Community
>>>>>>>>> Relations Service <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs> (created
>>>>>>>>> as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act) held their first public town meeting
>>>>>>>>> here. I posted rough notes below so you can get a sense of what people
>>>>>>>>> were talking about. It was supposed to last 2 hours, but went 3.5 hours.
>>>>>>>>> The meeting was in a high school auditorium and there were about 500 people
>>>>>>>>> present. Everyone had a chance at the microphone. There were no time
>>>>>>>>> limits. There were 10 news crews present.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Big themes that I heard:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Cville's black community is very upset about August 12th but
>>>>>>>>> also about the lack of economic opportunity & affordable housing, and
>>>>>>>>> pervasive racism
>>>>>>>>> - many people are outraged by the police security plan on
>>>>>>>>> August 12th
>>>>>>>>> - many people feel the community is still not safe for them
>>>>>>>>> - several people mentioning that they want to take action into
>>>>>>>>> their own hands if City Council doesn't act (alluding to violence,
>>>>>>>>> including the one guy who said he was the one who threatened the mayor at
>>>>>>>>> the last City Council meeting)
>>>>>>>>> - two people did get in a 5-min shouting match over the
>>>>>>>>> general idea of taking down monuments
>>>>>>>>> - there is a big lack of trust in government at all levels,
>>>>>>>>> from the city (& police) to the DOJ and the President
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *NEXT STEPS*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a member of Cville's tech community, the first step I'm taking
>>>>>>>>> is co-organizing a 3-hour "open space" this Thursday. The target audience
>>>>>>>>> is our local tech community plus leaders of local civic and activist
>>>>>>>>> groups. If this succeeds, we'll help convene a bigger one open which will
>>>>>>>>> be open to everyone in Charlottesville.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've also heard from 10 local citizens and half dozen members of
>>>>>>>>> this listserv who want to volunteer for any local dialogue initiative that
>>>>>>>>> we may plan. I'm sincerely thankful for those of you who have reached
>>>>>>>>> out. For those that cannot make it to Cville, I think we will also plan
>>>>>>>>> online dialogue using Zoom video chat (breakout rooms made possible by
>>>>>>>>> QiqoChat) during which time any NCDD member can host a breakout room and
>>>>>>>>> use any dialogue technique they want; the audience will be people across
>>>>>>>>> the country. We'll have an open planning process if/when that happens, so
>>>>>>>>> you will hear about it on this listserv.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll know more after the local tech community convenes on Thursday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> INTRODUCTION BY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Department of Justice Community Relations Service
>>>>>>>>> - Three phases: recovery, dialogue, moving forward
>>>>>>>>> - Acknowledge what has happened
>>>>>>>>> - Many questions have been asked and are under investigation.
>>>>>>>>> - We need to educate ourselves to preven tthis from
>>>>>>>>> reoccurring.
>>>>>>>>> - We've had dialogue about who we are in the past.
>>>>>>>>> - Let's be patient.
>>>>>>>>> - We all have to be able to listen.
>>>>>>>>> - DOJ CRS created as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs
>>>>>>>>> - Tonight we will collect concerns, identify common themes,
>>>>>>>>> and create resolution.
>>>>>>>>> - Here are the ground rules: respect, one person at a time, etc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> COMMUNITY CONCERNS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in Trump & Attorney General Jeff Sessions
>>>>>>>>> - police were reactive instead fo proactive
>>>>>>>>> - lack of leadership from City Council
>>>>>>>>> - we need better gun control in parks
>>>>>>>>> - we need to learn how to get these statues down
>>>>>>>>> - we need all voices heard; the political right should be a
>>>>>>>>> part of the meeting not a target of this meeting
>>>>>>>>> - the county is part of the Cville community
>>>>>>>>> - we need faith in rule of law
>>>>>>>>> - police failed to protect our people
>>>>>>>>> - wishing there was a way to remove privilege
>>>>>>>>> - http://solidaritycville.com/Demands/ has 10 demands:
>>>>>>>>> - 1. Revoke the permit for the August 12 “Unite the Right
>>>>>>>>> March on Charlottesville” and grant a permit for the Carnival de Resistance.
>>>>>>>>> - 2. Remove the Lee and Jackson statues, now.
>>>>>>>>> - 3. Fulfill the “Positive Vision of Resident Directed
>>>>>>>>> Redevelopment” from the Charlottesville Public Housing Association of
>>>>>>>>> Residents.
>>>>>>>>> - 4. Drop the charges against Veronica Fitzhugh.
>>>>>>>>> - 5. Apologize publicly for negligence in Sage Smith’s
>>>>>>>>> disappearance, and commit to an expansion of the investigation.
>>>>>>>>> - 6. Cease the targeting of Black families by social services
>>>>>>>>> to send children into foster care.
>>>>>>>>> - 7. End JADE (Jefferson Area Drug Enforcement militarized
>>>>>>>>> police unit).
>>>>>>>>> - 8. End money bail, and release people being held without
>>>>>>>>> bond before their trial.
>>>>>>>>> - 9. Stop discriminatory stop-and-frisk.
>>>>>>>>> - need affordable housing
>>>>>>>>> - police need to apologize
>>>>>>>>> - discriminatory foster care poliies
>>>>>>>>> - militarization of police
>>>>>>>>> - stop & frisk
>>>>>>>>> - remove monuments
>>>>>>>>> - resist white supremacy
>>>>>>>>> - sage smith's family
>>>>>>>>> - too few minority faces here
>>>>>>>>> - want understanding
>>>>>>>>> - call this a terrorist attack
>>>>>>>>> - systemic ideal of race
>>>>>>>>> - the DOJ note-taker miswrote on the screen what someone said
>>>>>>>>> and instead wrote "extend white privilege"
>>>>>>>>> - it's a shame that there are no Congressional staff here
>>>>>>>>> listening
>>>>>>>>> - why were there no barricades on 4th street?
>>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in government
>>>>>>>>> - gun control
>>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a waste of time, because we're staring from
>>>>>>>>> zero instead of the work that was already done at the Jefferson School a
>>>>>>>>> few days after
>>>>>>>>> - Jefferson School had a better, more engaging meeting
>>>>>>>>> - City Councilmembers have received death threats and that is
>>>>>>>>> unacceptable
>>>>>>>>> - black women want to feel safe
>>>>>>>>> - white nationalists mapped out the black neighborhoods
>>>>>>>>> according to online evidence
>>>>>>>>> - if more blacks were present at the rally, the alt-right
>>>>>>>>> would have opened fire
>>>>>>>>> - how do we protect ourselves
>>>>>>>>> - there should be no open carry law in Cville, there's a state
>>>>>>>>> level rule (Dillon's Rule) that prevents us from making our own laws unless
>>>>>>>>> specifically granted permission by the VA legislature
>>>>>>>>> - white supremacists are still in town
>>>>>>>>> - we are lucky that there was no massacre; we got very lucky
>>>>>>>>> - tired of calls for unity
>>>>>>>>> - feel abandoned by federal government
>>>>>>>>> - DOJ is taking away resources from liberal causes (voter ID
>>>>>>>>> laws, LGBT rights, etc)
>>>>>>>>> - I don't want unity with local wingnuts who have a rifle and
>>>>>>>>> a menacing look on their face
>>>>>>>>> - ask for resignations of city council and city manager
>>>>>>>>> - "Attorney General is a monument to white supremacy"
>>>>>>>>> - drop a bomb in Afghanistan and you're dropping it in Cville
>>>>>>>>> too, because a refugee is affected
>>>>>>>>> - free political prisoners
>>>>>>>>> - investigation of police body cameras
>>>>>>>>> - tear gas on Cville residents
>>>>>>>>> - power to the people (w/ black power fist)
>>>>>>>>> - "they are trying to bury us; we are seeds"
>>>>>>>>> - prosecute community leaders for failing to protect
>>>>>>>>> - charge Richard Spencer
>>>>>>>>> - call a terrorist a terrorist
>>>>>>>>> - When will Kessler get charged?
>>>>>>>>> - minorities are silenced through a summer of hate
>>>>>>>>> - no justice
>>>>>>>>> - police should have stop and frisked Nazis
>>>>>>>>> - our low income community has a gate to keep people in; not
>>>>>>>>> the way it should be
>>>>>>>>> - want harsh punishments of the alt-right
>>>>>>>>> - there is no affordable housing
>>>>>>>>> - there is too much racial profiling and unreasonable search
>>>>>>>>> - there needs to be recreation at low income housing areas;
>>>>>>>>> YMCA not affordable
>>>>>>>>> - no activities for black people
>>>>>>>>> - there should be free speech for the people who disrubpted
>>>>>>>>> the council meeting
>>>>>>>>> - there was a generation of blacks taught to not speak up
>>>>>>>>> - thank you to the white community for coming out in support
>>>>>>>>> of the black community
>>>>>>>>> - there were movies which all happened near here (Birth of a
>>>>>>>>> Nation, Loving, Hidden Figures); Hollywood must have known that something
>>>>>>>>> big was going to happen
>>>>>>>>> - we need to make our history more accessible
>>>>>>>>> - "each one, teach one"
>>>>>>>>> - lack of police presence at minority events
>>>>>>>>> - we're having to police ourselves
>>>>>>>>> - what is the role of Civlle police?
>>>>>>>>> - our history is that our city chose to close schools instead
>>>>>>>>> of desegregate
>>>>>>>>> - our history is Vinegar Hill
>>>>>>>>> - they want to kill back men, especially if they have knowledge
>>>>>>>>> - someone should pay my doctor bills for getting tear-gassed
>>>>>>>>> - judge has blood on his hands
>>>>>>>>> - "if you don't get it, we will shut it down"
>>>>>>>>> - leadership should resign
>>>>>>>>> - we should all vote differently
>>>>>>>>> - "What has voting done for us in the past?"- person yelled out
>>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a farce; we need truth
>>>>>>>>> - where are police when the shroud is removed from the statue
>>>>>>>>> last night?
>>>>>>>>> - Mayor should resign
>>>>>>>>> - (speaker says he was the one that threatened the Mayor at
>>>>>>>>> the last city council meeting)
>>>>>>>>> - give equal rights to blacks
>>>>>>>>> - if you can't do it, we will
>>>>>>>>> - police plan was publicly "arrest people when fights break
>>>>>>>>> out" but that didn't happen
>>>>>>>>> - don't allow hate speech; follow Europe's example of no Nazi
>>>>>>>>> symbols
>>>>>>>>> - our divided country is week
>>>>>>>>> - many of the Nazis are young, impressionable people
>>>>>>>>> - alt-right leaders are saying they are taking the country back
>>>>>>>>> - be careful of what the government tells you, they told us
>>>>>>>>> the police got pepper-sprayed at the KKK rally (the reason they used tear
>>>>>>>>> gas) but they're not saying that anymore
>>>>>>>>> - Trump = terrorist
>>>>>>>>> - investigate Trump
>>>>>>>>> - ISIS would not get a permit
>>>>>>>>> - deny the next permit
>>>>>>>>> - we need honesty and accountability
>>>>>>>>> - we need to elect better people
>>>>>>>>> - what if we had this meeting on July 9th instead? this
>>>>>>>>> meeting is too little & too late
>>>>>>>>> - This will play out in Richmond bigger if not solved
>>>>>>>>> - people shouldn't come in from out of town to battle on our
>>>>>>>>> streets
>>>>>>>>> - we need more black people at our meeting; we need a
>>>>>>>>> different venue
>>>>>>>>> - police faced the community not the KKK
>>>>>>>>> - media showed up at UVA torch rally long before police;
>>>>>>>>> shameful on police
>>>>>>>>> - no police presence at black churches and many other places
>>>>>>>>> - need a different process other than this meeting; Jefferson
>>>>>>>>> School meeting was much better
>>>>>>>>> - mental health professionals are volunteering to help Cville
>>>>>>>>> residents; there should be official support of such a program
>>>>>>>>> - many people are terrorized
>>>>>>>>> - get rid of monuments
>>>>>>>>> - change happens within ourselves
>>>>>>>>> - don't wait for the City's investigations to conclude; that's
>>>>>>>>> giving away power
>>>>>>>>> - drop charges on Veronica
>>>>>>>>> - need a different system than the Cville City Council & City
>>>>>>>>> Manager structure; our city is too big for that to work now
>>>>>>>>> - there is police harassment
>>>>>>>>> - there has been racism for a long time
>>>>>>>>> - no affordable housing
>>>>>>>>> - we black residents don't care about the statues
>>>>>>>>> - when speech turns violent, it's not protected; there were
>>>>>>>>> clear threats
>>>>>>>>> - Me: this way this race-based violence is escalating is
>>>>>>>>> following a similar pattern with what I saw civil war in Iraq
>>>>>>>>> - Me: anyone interested in building bridges, please share your
>>>>>>>>> email address
>>>>>>>>> - the juvenile justice system is broken
>>>>>>>>> - school to prison pipeline
>>>>>>>>> - "when someone is incarcerated their family does time too"
>>>>>>>>> - my boys are back from prison but mentally still locked up
>>>>>>>>> - we need new economics to build wealth
>>>>>>>>> - no good jobs
>>>>>>>>> - need a mindshift change in city council
>>>>>>>>> - there have never been two black city council members at any
>>>>>>>>> given time
>>>>>>>>> - UVA should be held accountable for the tiki torch rally
>>>>>>>>> - all investigators should be independent
>>>>>>>>> - we need a community security plan (ie sound fire station
>>>>>>>>> alarms if there's an attack)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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