[OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
Paul Levy via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Fri Sep 1 06:20:00 PDT 2017
I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving
indifference";
- love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST
- love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising
meeting
The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their
indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an
eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive spiritual symmetry.
Best wishes
Paul Levy
On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> Hi Lucas,
> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create
> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot
> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator
> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that
> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding
> actions/follow through....and there have.
>
> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to
> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason
> for OST.
>
> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so,
> you could have as given:
> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of the
> discussion groups
> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be done
> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the
> voting...next steps for action will be invited
>
>
> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional design
> elements.
>
> Blessings,
> Birgitt
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
> wrote:
>
>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite
>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to
>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the
>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have the
>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do
>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they
>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action
>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part of
>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what they
>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting <grin>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone
>>>> who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high.
>>>> Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will work,
>>>> ask one of the people with their hands held up.
>>>>
>>>> Chris.
>>>>
>>>> ___________
>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN
>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lucas,
>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised.
>>>>
>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is too
>>>> small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great opportunity". I
>>>> would not make definitive statements about the tarnished name of
>>>> Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. Rather, I
>>>> would really open the space wide for creating the community we love". Who
>>>> knows what inspirations might show up!
>>>>
>>>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'!
>>>> Birgitt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList <
>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they
>>>>> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules." the
>>>>> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says "you
>>>>> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you
>>>>> can." this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy it at
>>>>> your own risk. the moving about with two feet is just describing what
>>>>> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law.
>>>>>
>>>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to promise
>>>>> safety. that's a tall order. made taller by simultaneously saying that
>>>>> ALL ideas are welcome. the combination of inviting everyone to learn and
>>>>> contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared to be
>>>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough. if you promise "safe" space,
>>>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as
>>>>> responsible. what you want is for everyone to be responsible for
>>>>> everyone's safety. when the event finishes and everyone is still okay,
>>>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself,
>>>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing. the principles and law accomplish
>>>>> that pretty well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Herman
>>>>> Michael Herman Associates
>>>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>>>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May
>>>>>> seem rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be clear upon
>>>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side
>>>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One Law
>>>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of the
>>>>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harrison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM
>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply. Below is the
>>>>>> draft script for the event. I wrote it down since I'm out of practice. I
>>>>>> won't read it word for word; it's just a guide. You'll see the rules and
>>>>>> the law are not referred to directly, since I think the crowd will
>>>>>> understand it better if we explain it like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I may be very wrong about that. I'm just doing what seems
>>>>>> best in my judgement. I'm 100% open to any and all suggestions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8:30am: Opening
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [JESSICA]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome, everyone. My name is Jessica G. And my name is Lucas C.
>>>>>> All of us are gathered here to think together, and we are here to work
>>>>>> together. If this goes well, it could be the start of something big.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlottesville’s name has been tarnished. We have a window of
>>>>>> opportunity for a second act. That window is closing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there’s one community that can think outside the box and is not
>>>>>> intimidated by obstacles, it’s the tech community. But we need vision, we
>>>>>> need passion, and we need to be grounded in what’s practical, so that’s why
>>>>>> we invited the leaders of ten local civic and activist groups from across
>>>>>> the political spectrum.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [LUCAS]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a participant-driven event, and it will be what we all make
>>>>>> of it. Our job as facilitators is to help you be at your best and then to
>>>>>> get out of the way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some ground rules for all of us to keep in mind:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> · Everyone is welcome here, and we mean everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> · All ideas are welcome here, and we mean all ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> · This is a safe space for all of us to express any idea,
>>>>>> even ones which are tough to hear, as long as you are coming from a place
>>>>>> of respect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> · And on the flip side, if you hear something that triggers
>>>>>> you, first please assume that the other person is coming from a place of
>>>>>> respect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> · Think about who is not in the room and speak for them if
>>>>>> you can. We don’t represent all of Charlottesville, so it’s important to
>>>>>> think about who isn’t present so that we find solutions that work for the
>>>>>> most people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think big. What can we do as a tech community and as a city that
>>>>>> makes a splash nationally? Can you think of a solution that breaks out of
>>>>>> the left-right paradigm, or a solution that helps us find commonality
>>>>>> rather than getting tripped up over a long and complicated racial past?
>>>>>> Can you find solutions that appeal to both the center and the fringes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here’s how this event will happen. You see over there an open agenda
>>>>>> wall. Across the top, you see six spaces: the four corners of this room,
>>>>>> Conference Room 1, and Conference Room 2. Going down the left side, you
>>>>>> see three rounds of discussion. Each round lasts 40 minutes with a
>>>>>> 5-minute break in between. There will be a 15-minute closing session at
>>>>>> the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want remote participants to be able to join your session, then
>>>>>> please schedule your session in one of the conference rooms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a moment, each of us will have the opportunity to post a session
>>>>>> topic. You’ll walk to the center of the circle, pick up a piece of paper
>>>>>> and a marker. Write the discussion topic and your name. Announce it, and
>>>>>> then post it on the agenda wall. Sessions should be conversational rather
>>>>>> than presentations or monologues. All you have to do have are some great
>>>>>> questions, and the answers will come through the discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let’s give everyone a moment to think about what sessions they want
>>>>>> to hold before we get started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (pause for a minute)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, when you’re ready, please go ahead and write down your session
>>>>>> topic and then announce it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (people start announcing and posting their topics on the wall)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we’ll start the breakout sessions. This is your event, so you
>>>>>> won’t see us dropping by to remind you of how much time is left or the need
>>>>>> to wrap up. If your conversation is running long, please take it to the
>>>>>> cafe area, out of respect for the people who are participating in the next
>>>>>> session in that space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Open space has the law of two feet, which means that if find a
>>>>>> conversation isn’t going the way you expected, you are highly encouraged to
>>>>>> pick up and move to another conversation where you can contribute more.
>>>>>> Don’t take it personally if people drop out of your session.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can feel free to hop between sessions, and you can feel free to
>>>>>> just hang out by yourself in the hallway or even take a walk with someone
>>>>>> outside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whenever possible, please take good notes for those who could not
>>>>>> attend. We expect that many people across the community will want to
>>>>>> organize around your ideas and help you implement them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any questions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, the session topics are posted. Let’s make today count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9:00am: Breakout Round 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 9:45am: Breakout Round 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10:30am: Breakout Round 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 11:15am: Closing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Jessica]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (pause)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What thoughts would you like to share with everyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds wonderful . But what is this “openspacish” event? Just do
>>>>>> it. And if you need some help try Kai down in Harrisonburg. Used to be the
>>>>>> Mayor – and had done lots of OS – by the book. Works.And he shows up on the
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Winter Address
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summer Address
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Websites
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.ho-image.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 4:42 PM
>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All, I sent this out to the NCDD listserv moments ago and thought
>>>>>> I need to share it with the wonderful folks here on OS-LIST too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may have seen the violence in Charlottesville two weeks ago when
>>>>>> alt-right protesters and Black Lives Matter & Antifa counter-protesters
>>>>>> clashed. One alt-right sympathizer committed a terrorist attack by
>>>>>> violently plowing his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing one
>>>>>> and injuring 19.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The community is still stunned and no one knows what to do, so what
>>>>>> should we do? We should open some space. I'm putting together a 3-hour
>>>>>> open space-ish event on Thursday for the Cville tech community (and
>>>>>> inviting local leaders of civic and activist groups) so we can figure out
>>>>>> what we as technologists have to offer. If this goes well, we'll hold a
>>>>>> larger open space for all of Cville.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that goes well, maybe I can work with some of you to hold some
>>>>>> simultaneous open spaces across the country one day this Autumn. I'll also
>>>>>> try opening some space with Zoom & QiqoChat (for the breakouts). If/when
>>>>>> that happens, I'll be sure to reach out here so that we can plan this in
>>>>>> the open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look forward to seeing what else comes of all this...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: *Lucas Cioffi* <lucas at qiqochat.com>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Hi from Charlottesville (Round 2)
>>>>>> To: "NCDD-DISCUSSION at LISTS.NCDD.ORG" <NCDD-DISCUSSION at lists.ncdd.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much for the tremendous discussion on this listserv over
>>>>>> the past sixteen days! I've learned so much from the resources and ideas
>>>>>> you have all shared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *UPDATES*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The work to respond to the violence of August 12th is just
>>>>>> beginning. Last night the Department of Justice's Community
>>>>>> Relations Service <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs> (created
>>>>>> as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act) held their first public town meeting
>>>>>> here. I posted rough notes below so you can get a sense of what people
>>>>>> were talking about. It was supposed to last 2 hours, but went 3.5 hours.
>>>>>> The meeting was in a high school auditorium and there were about 500 people
>>>>>> present. Everyone had a chance at the microphone. There were no time
>>>>>> limits. There were 10 news crews present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big themes that I heard:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Cville's black community is very upset about August 12th but
>>>>>> also about the lack of economic opportunity & affordable housing, and
>>>>>> pervasive racism
>>>>>> - many people are outraged by the police security plan on August
>>>>>> 12th
>>>>>> - many people feel the community is still not safe for them
>>>>>> - several people mentioning that they want to take action into
>>>>>> their own hands if City Council doesn't act (alluding to violence,
>>>>>> including the one guy who said he was the one who threatened the mayor at
>>>>>> the last City Council meeting)
>>>>>> - two people did get in a 5-min shouting match over the general
>>>>>> idea of taking down monuments
>>>>>> - there is a big lack of trust in government at all levels, from
>>>>>> the city (& police) to the DOJ and the President
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NEXT STEPS*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a member of Cville's tech community, the first step I'm taking is
>>>>>> co-organizing a 3-hour "open space" this Thursday. The target audience is
>>>>>> our local tech community plus leaders of local civic and activist groups.
>>>>>> If this succeeds, we'll help convene a bigger one open which will be open
>>>>>> to everyone in Charlottesville.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also heard from 10 local citizens and half dozen members of this
>>>>>> listserv who want to volunteer for any local dialogue initiative that we
>>>>>> may plan. I'm sincerely thankful for those of you who have reached out.
>>>>>> For those that cannot make it to Cville, I think we will also plan online
>>>>>> dialogue using Zoom video chat (breakout rooms made possible by QiqoChat)
>>>>>> during which time any NCDD member can host a breakout room and use any
>>>>>> dialogue technique they want; the audience will be people across the
>>>>>> country. We'll have an open planning process if/when that happens, so you
>>>>>> will hear about it on this listserv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll know more after the local tech community convenes on Thursday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> INTRODUCTION BY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Department of Justice Community Relations Service
>>>>>> - Three phases: recovery, dialogue, moving forward
>>>>>> - Acknowledge what has happened
>>>>>> - Many questions have been asked and are under investigation.
>>>>>> - We need to educate ourselves to preven tthis from reoccurring.
>>>>>> - We've had dialogue about who we are in the past.
>>>>>> - Let's be patient.
>>>>>> - We all have to be able to listen.
>>>>>> - DOJ CRS created as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act:
>>>>>> https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs
>>>>>> <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs>
>>>>>> - Tonight we will collect concerns, identify common themes, and
>>>>>> create resolution.
>>>>>> - Here are the ground rules: respect, one person at a time, etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COMMUNITY CONCERNS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - lack of trust in Trump & Attorney General Jeff Sessions
>>>>>> - police were reactive instead fo proactive
>>>>>> - lack of leadership from City Council
>>>>>> - we need better gun control in parks
>>>>>> - we need to learn how to get these statues down
>>>>>> - we need all voices heard; the political right should be a part
>>>>>> of the meeting not a target of this meeting
>>>>>> - the county is part of the Cville community
>>>>>> - we need faith in rule of law
>>>>>> - police failed to protect our people
>>>>>> - wishing there was a way to remove privilege
>>>>>> - http://solidaritycville.com/Demands/ has 10 demands:
>>>>>> - 1. Revoke the permit for the August 12 “Unite the Right March
>>>>>> on Charlottesville” and grant a permit for the Carnival de Resistance.
>>>>>> - 2. Remove the Lee and Jackson statues, now.
>>>>>> - 3. Fulfill the “Positive Vision of Resident Directed
>>>>>> Redevelopment” from the Charlottesville Public Housing Association of
>>>>>> Residents.
>>>>>> - 4. Drop the charges against Veronica Fitzhugh.
>>>>>> - 5. Apologize publicly for negligence in Sage Smith’s
>>>>>> disappearance, and commit to an expansion of the investigation.
>>>>>> - 6. Cease the targeting of Black families by social services to
>>>>>> send children into foster care.
>>>>>> - 7. End JADE (Jefferson Area Drug Enforcement militarized police
>>>>>> unit).
>>>>>> - 8. End money bail, and release people being held without bond
>>>>>> before their trial.
>>>>>> - 9. Stop discriminatory stop-and-frisk.
>>>>>> - need affordable housing
>>>>>> - police need to apologize
>>>>>> - discriminatory foster care poliies
>>>>>> - militarization of police
>>>>>> - stop & frisk
>>>>>> - remove monuments
>>>>>> - resist white supremacy
>>>>>> - sage smith's family
>>>>>> - too few minority faces here
>>>>>> - want understanding
>>>>>> - call this a terrorist attack
>>>>>> - systemic ideal of race
>>>>>> - the DOJ note-taker miswrote on the screen what someone said and
>>>>>> instead wrote "extend white privilege"
>>>>>> - it's a shame that there are no Congressional staff here
>>>>>> listening
>>>>>> - why were there no barricades on 4th street?
>>>>>> - lack of trust in government
>>>>>> - gun control
>>>>>> - this meeting is a waste of time, because we're staring from
>>>>>> zero instead of the work that was already done at the Jefferson School a
>>>>>> few days after
>>>>>> - Jefferson School had a better, more engaging meeting
>>>>>> - City Councilmembers have received death threats and that is
>>>>>> unacceptable
>>>>>> - black women want to feel safe
>>>>>> - white nationalists mapped out the black neighborhoods according
>>>>>> to online evidence
>>>>>> - if more blacks were present at the rally, the alt-right would
>>>>>> have opened fire
>>>>>> - how do we protect ourselves
>>>>>> - there should be no open carry law in Cville, there's a state
>>>>>> level rule (Dillon's Rule) that prevents us from making our own laws unless
>>>>>> specifically granted permission by the VA legislature
>>>>>> - white supremacists are still in town
>>>>>> - we are lucky that there was no massacre; we got very lucky
>>>>>> - tired of calls for unity
>>>>>> - feel abandoned by federal government
>>>>>> - DOJ is taking away resources from liberal causes (voter ID
>>>>>> laws, LGBT rights, etc)
>>>>>> - I don't want unity with local wingnuts who have a rifle and a
>>>>>> menacing look on their face
>>>>>> - ask for resignations of city council and city manager
>>>>>> - "Attorney General is a monument to white supremacy"
>>>>>> - drop a bomb in Afghanistan and you're dropping it in Cville
>>>>>> too, because a refugee is affected
>>>>>> - free political prisoners
>>>>>> - investigation of police body cameras
>>>>>> - tear gas on Cville residents
>>>>>> - power to the people (w/ black power fist)
>>>>>> - "they are trying to bury us; we are seeds"
>>>>>> - prosecute community leaders for failing to protect
>>>>>> - charge Richard Spencer
>>>>>> - call a terrorist a terrorist
>>>>>> - When will Kessler get charged?
>>>>>> - minorities are silenced through a summer of hate
>>>>>> - no justice
>>>>>> - police should have stop and frisked Nazis
>>>>>> - our low income community has a gate to keep people in; not the
>>>>>> way it should be
>>>>>> - want harsh punishments of the alt-right
>>>>>> - there is no affordable housing
>>>>>> - there is too much racial profiling and unreasonable search
>>>>>> - there needs to be recreation at low income housing areas; YMCA
>>>>>> not affordable
>>>>>> - no activities for black people
>>>>>> - there should be free speech for the people who disrubpted the
>>>>>> council meeting
>>>>>> - there was a generation of blacks taught to not speak up
>>>>>> - thank you to the white community for coming out in support of
>>>>>> the black community
>>>>>> - there were movies which all happened near here (Birth of a
>>>>>> Nation, Loving, Hidden Figures); Hollywood must have known that something
>>>>>> big was going to happen
>>>>>> - we need to make our history more accessible
>>>>>> - "each one, teach one"
>>>>>> - lack of police presence at minority events
>>>>>> - we're having to police ourselves
>>>>>> - what is the role of Civlle police?
>>>>>> - our history is that our city chose to close schools instead of
>>>>>> desegregate
>>>>>> - our history is Vinegar Hill
>>>>>> - they want to kill back men, especially if they have knowledge
>>>>>> - someone should pay my doctor bills for getting tear-gassed
>>>>>> - judge has blood on his hands
>>>>>> - "if you don't get it, we will shut it down"
>>>>>> - leadership should resign
>>>>>> - we should all vote differently
>>>>>> - "What has voting done for us in the past?"- person yelled out
>>>>>> - this meeting is a farce; we need truth
>>>>>> - where are police when the shroud is removed from the statue
>>>>>> last night?
>>>>>> - Mayor should resign
>>>>>> - (speaker says he was the one that threatened the Mayor at the
>>>>>> last city council meeting)
>>>>>> - give equal rights to blacks
>>>>>> - if you can't do it, we will
>>>>>> - police plan was publicly "arrest people when fights break out"
>>>>>> but that didn't happen
>>>>>> - don't allow hate speech; follow Europe's example of no Nazi
>>>>>> symbols
>>>>>> - our divided country is week
>>>>>> - many of the Nazis are young, impressionable people
>>>>>> - alt-right leaders are saying they are taking the country back
>>>>>> - be careful of what the government tells you, they told us the
>>>>>> police got pepper-sprayed at the KKK rally (the reason they used tear gas)
>>>>>> but they're not saying that anymore
>>>>>> - Trump = terrorist
>>>>>> - investigate Trump
>>>>>> - ISIS would not get a permit
>>>>>> - deny the next permit
>>>>>> - we need honesty and accountability
>>>>>> - we need to elect better people
>>>>>> - what if we had this meeting on July 9th instead? this meeting
>>>>>> is too little & too late
>>>>>> - This will play out in Richmond bigger if not solved
>>>>>> - people shouldn't come in from out of town to battle on our
>>>>>> streets
>>>>>> - we need more black people at our meeting; we need a different
>>>>>> venue
>>>>>> - police faced the community not the KKK
>>>>>> - media showed up at UVA torch rally long before police; shameful
>>>>>> on police
>>>>>> - no police presence at black churches and many other places
>>>>>> - need a different process other than this meeting; Jefferson
>>>>>> School meeting was much better
>>>>>> - mental health professionals are volunteering to help Cville
>>>>>> residents; there should be official support of such a program
>>>>>> - many people are terrorized
>>>>>> - get rid of monuments
>>>>>> - change happens within ourselves
>>>>>> - don't wait for the City's investigations to conclude; that's
>>>>>> giving away power
>>>>>> - drop charges on Veronica
>>>>>> - need a different system than the Cville City Council & City
>>>>>> Manager structure; our city is too big for that to work now
>>>>>> - there is police harassment
>>>>>> - there has been racism for a long time
>>>>>> - no affordable housing
>>>>>> - we black residents don't care about the statues
>>>>>> - when speech turns violent, it's not protected; there were clear
>>>>>> threats
>>>>>> - Me: this way this race-based violence is escalating is
>>>>>> following a similar pattern with what I saw civil war in Iraq
>>>>>> - Me: anyone interested in building bridges, please share your
>>>>>> email address
>>>>>> - the juvenile justice system is broken
>>>>>> - school to prison pipeline
>>>>>> - "when someone is incarcerated their family does time too"
>>>>>> - my boys are back from prison but mentally still locked up
>>>>>> - we need new economics to build wealth
>>>>>> - no good jobs
>>>>>> - need a mindshift change in city council
>>>>>> - there have never been two black city council members at any
>>>>>> given time
>>>>>> - UVA should be held accountable for the tiki torch rally
>>>>>> - all investigators should be independent
>>>>>> - we need a community security plan (ie sound fire station alarms
>>>>>> if there's an attack)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc.
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> http://www.dalarinternational.com
>
> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network http://www.
> extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com
>
> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine
> Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership
> http://www.genuinecontactway.com
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> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd.
> http://www.genuinecontact.net
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> .com to participate in an online leadership development program designed
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