[OSList] Research OST
David Osborne via OSList
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Thu Feb 23 16:01:07 PST 2017
Skye,
Your what it....."*What if we are all ordering ourselves to feel more and
more whole coherence towards creating greatest coherence of the whole?" *
had an immediate resonates with me ....and makes intuitive sense.
David
*David R. Osborne*
Organization and Leadership Development
6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Skye Hirst <skyeh at autognomics.org> wrote:
> Oh dear me, I'm jumping in. I wrote this poem today as I consider the
> living processes, one of which is self-ordering using an inherent value
> intelligence discovered by Robert S. Hartman years ago.
>
> So from this wide-angle lens on the subject of self-organization... One
> needs a different kind of knowing beyond words and numbers as measurement,
> I suggest, we need go beyond the observing of parts and "things" or
> arti-facts. How do we see process? it's more a coherence knowing by
> which we sense our self-organizing way, an infinitely complex process, i
> suspect, but I offer for your considering....What if we are all ordering
> ourselves to feel more and more whole coherence towards creating greatest
> coherence of the whole? I'm way out here, but I do welcome company in the
> exploration.
>
> Can you see Living Process?
>
> “Sensing it” might be more accurately the pointer
>
> What happened when you were 3 years old,
>
> Can stay an awareness “sign” till woman grown
>
> An act by other can infect you
>
> As you remember smells and feelings
>
> In your body-knowing of good, or ill.
>
> Such senses shape in you,
>
> You decide,
>
> This works, that doesn’t,
>
> You come to value or disvalue one “kind” of person, more than another
>
> The ways, the acts of tenderness, or disregard
>
> A relating relationship becomes habit by repeated choosing
>
> Because “effective” in some living way
>
> You feel excitement, anticipation for such again,
>
> Or dread, it might be repeated, take note to avoid.
>
> A mindful moment can reveal
>
> Such kaleidoscope realities
>
> Woven throughout your living acts and actions
>
> Informing little girl continuously till woman grown
>
> Contrasts butt up against one another
>
> These living acts, with results, and consequences,
>
> Require evaluating, comparing qualities you name “good”
>
> Choosing again and again
>
> What works, what doesn’t
>
> Seeing, sensing living, becoming, evolving, emerging
>
> Nothing fixed in relations of relating,
>
> These acts and their results
>
> Keep creating in you
>
> A felt-sensing reality view,
>
> Moment on moment
>
> Forming functions of how to live
>
> In this moment and the next.
>
> Choosing acts of good, or ill
>
> Or some measure in between
>
> This is good, less good or bad,
>
> Repeat or stop
>
> Like soup in the making
>
> You keep adding, referencing,
>
> Sensing your way
>
> All acts, all relations of relations,
>
> Seeking
>
> A wholeness knowing,
>
> A "never-will-be-againness."
>
> Wondering at it all,
>
> Or not,
>
> Or some measure in-between.
>
> Do you “sense” what I mean?
>
>
>
>
>
> Skye Hirst, 2/23/17
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:21 PM, David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> I find the concept of researching self-organization in human systems to
>> prove that it happens intriguing and I have no idea how one would approach
>> it since it's all self-organizing and I'm not sure the human perspective of
>> working / not working etc applies.
>>
>> As I first read one off the posts I thought it's kind of like proving
>> fire is....then I realized hey.....there is a combustion point ...things
>> that accelerate of diminish fires...ways to start them etc etc.
>>
>> I think a second part of the challenge is that self-organizing is like
>> gravity or electro magnetics in that it is invisible and we don't have a
>> way of measuring it that I know of.
>>
>> These are my rambling musings and I'm interested in others perspectives.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> *David R. Osborne*
>> Organization and Leadership Development
>>
>> 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042
>> 703-939-1777 <(703)%20939-1777> | dosborne at change-fusion.com
>> <cbellido at change-fusion.com> | change-fusion.com
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Royle, Karl via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I don’t think you can prove self organization but you could look at ….
>>> if this is done in this way then results are.. kind of thing…. And you
>>> could see if OS improves efficacy of groups and individuals, which it
>>> probably certainly does (in the moment)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *OSList <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org> on behalf of
>>> Birgitt Williams via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *Reply-To: *Birgitt Williams <birgitt at dalarinternational.com>, World
>>> wide Open Space Technology email list <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *Date: *Thursday, 23 February 2017 at 21:30
>>> *To: *World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [OSList] Research OST
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harrison---the point I was making is about research. If the research is
>>> based on going down the path of proving self organization, it is not as
>>> valuable to making the case for OST as OST works! It simply works, is
>>> useful, creates results.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:16 PM Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Birgitt – I guess we differ. Proving that self organization works is
>>> about as useful as proving that oxygen works for breathing. Seems to. And
>>> are there other things going on in Open Space apart from self organization?
>>> Absolutely. Or perhaps not at all. Just life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ho
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>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:28 PM
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>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Research OST
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great summary Harrison of what is OST and what is not OST. it is a
>>> significant challenge to find what is actually an OST meeting. One of the
>>> reasons I created our workshop Working With OST is to make that distinction
>>> very clear to all who participate with us. OST facilitated well requires
>>> understanding the essence of what is created...and never as the facilitator
>>> violating that essence. People have referred to me as a 'purist' and that
>>> is fine by me. I believe in OST just as you created it. I do not believe in
>>> the variations having the same outcomes. When something is added before OST
>>> or after OST, they are not OST...and helping a group of people be
>>> absolutely clear when the actual OST begins and when it ends is part of
>>> what we are very careful about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have developed a complimentary method, Whole Person Process
>>> Facilitation, to use when OST is not the right method...and yet is based on
>>> as little intervention as possible, and creating 'maximum choice, maximum
>>> freedom' to the degree possible. Unfortunately, after the meetings, people
>>> will say 'we want another one of those open space meetings. They feel that
>>> the space is open and like to refer to it that way. I cannot do anything
>>> about this conclusion that people make, and it is not OST.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I also think that a disservice was done when OST was being looked at
>>> from the lens of 'self organizing', one lens that applies certainly, and
>>> not the only one...and in my perspective a rather limited one. The reason I
>>> say this is a disservice is that too much effort was spent proving that
>>> self organizing works, instead of proving through research and other means,
>>> that OST works.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having a clean hypothesis about OST as a useful, productive method that
>>> achieves incredible results is more valuable that proving it works for some
>>> particular reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My two cents on the subject,
>>>
>>> Birgitt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> One of the questions I find myself asking of various "researchers," --
>>> What,
>>> exactly, are you looking at?
>>>
>>> Open Space has wandered and permutated globally, and taken 30+ years
>>> doing
>>> that. So lots of times the "Open Space" people say they are looking at
>>> (researching) has nothing to do with anything that I might call OST.
>>> Needless to say I don't own, but I did coin the phrase -- and arguably,
>>> I've
>>> spent more time fussing with OST than anybody else. Alternatives,
>>> Variations, Permutations are not wrong, bad, or immoral -- but are not
>>> OST.
>>> And in research "facts" do matter. Despite our current (US)
>>> administration.
>>> So for me, if you a going to do research on Open Space Technology (OST)
>>> --
>>> it really needs to be done "by the book." The Book being, "Open Space
>>> Technology: A User's Guide 3rd Edition (Berrett- Koehler, 2008)" I might
>>> consider that the "Lab Book."
>>>
>>> The experimental procedure is clearly laid out.
>>>
>>> The "event" will be convened around an issue people seriously care about
>>> (Real issue - not pretend, made up, chosen at random).
>>>
>>> All participants will come in response to a Real Invitation. One they can
>>> refuse. No coercion. All are present because they choose to be there.
>>>
>>> Once present, participants will be invited to sit in a circle, create a
>>> bulletin board of the issues they care about, and the open a market
>>> place to
>>> make/confirm the times and places of meeting.
>>>
>>> The Facilitator will be present only at the beginning (1st 15 min.) and
>>> appear again only at the end (of the day or program). In other words, The
>>> facilitator will NEVER intervene. NEVER. Picking up coffee cups is
>>> appropriate. Otherwise, being "present and invisible" -- is the rule.
>>>
>>> Anything else... "Variants, Twists, Tweaks -- whatever ... is not OST.
>>> Could
>>> be great. May be fantastic. But it ain't OST.
>>>
>>> And when it comes to "results" the "researcher" might check "Wave Rider:
>>> Leadership for High Performance in a Self Organizing World." That would
>>> be
>>> my best effort at a Final Report for the 30 year experiment. Which
>>> doesn't
>>> make it perfect, right or anything special. But it might be a place to
>>> start.
>>>
>>> Harrison
>>>
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Hege Steinsland via OSList
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:54 AM
>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> Subject: [OSList] Research OST
>>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I`m working on an article about the experience with OST in Norwegian
>>> work-
>>> places, in particular municipalities.
>>> I wonder if there are som kind of overview of earlier research on the
>>> field,
>>> published and unpublished
>>>
>>> Would be great :-)
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Hege Steinsland
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