[OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16

anne stadler via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Sep 21 19:37:00 PDT 2016


Safety:

Thanks for the question Harold, and the responses from Peggy & Birgit.  

I want to go deeper into your second point Harold. 

In my experience, many of 
the situations where we're opening space (especially multicultural and with people from divergent races, mixtures & backgrounds) -- and the spaces being opened by the Universal Field-- require deliberate deep prior conversations by the facilitation team to become aware of their own triggers and release them; commitment to a collective intention of connecting to source (with each person choosing way of doing so); and holding selves & each other accountable via the development of a practice that's happening during the gathering. 

Beyond "welcoming", i would say we must be "loving" whatever the Universe brings in the door.  It's a tall order and a truly great practice!

Love to you dear ones!!

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>   1. Re: Open Space and Interfaith (Judy Gast via OSList)
>   2. Re: Open Space and Interfaith (Judy Gast via OSList)
>   3. International Day of Peace (Suzanne Daigle via OSList)
>   4. Re: [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs? (x-posted
>      OS/GC-lists) (Thomas Herrmann via OSList)
>   5. Safety (Harold Shinsato via OSList)
>   6. Re: Safety (Peggy Holman via OSList)
>   7. Re: Safety (Birgitt Williams via OSList)
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> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:36:00 -0400
> From: Judy Gast via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Nick Heap <nickheap43 at gmail.com>,    World wide Open Space Technology
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Interfaith
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> Nick, I designed and facilitated a two day event with about 40 ecumenists a year ago. I have never seen a group get so deep so fast and understand the benefits of the open space process. Think that it was helpful that we book ended the event with services, led by several of the senior participants and sponsors. We also had an opening evening, get to know each other, where each participant reflected on the question "tell us a story about when you have had an unanticipated surprise or blessing".  That helped people get in the right mood and intention so that when we kick off the open space they went right to work.
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>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Nick Heap via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Hi All
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone has used Open Space to facilitate Interfaith dialogue. It might be between people of different faiths or between people working with those of different faiths (or both). I work with a local Interfaith group and we are planning a public meeting for up to 250 people. We're at the beginning of thinking about it, so any experience or ideas you have would be very useful.
>> 
>> I've had a quick search of the archive but found nothing relevant. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,  
>> Nick Heap
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> The one Harrison refers to is the one that I mentioned in my previous post.  It was supposed to be 100 but due to the fact the pope was in Washington at the same time only about 45 came.
> 
> As mentioned it was the most poignant and productive open space I have been involved with.  There were some very deeply held beliefs that were discussed openly. Ecumenists by definition, are folks that should/are open to finding common ground amongst all the  various truisms and universalisms amongst their various faiths.  Although all were Catholic or Protestant, we did have some Christian scientists and others who hold differing beliefs than the other sects.
> 
> 
> Nick, glad to discuss further if helpful. 
> Judy Gast
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>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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>> Doubtless there multiple experiences? but the last one I heard about was a gathering of 100+ for a multi faith / ecumenical gathering sponsored by the National Council of Churches.  Of course there was also the time that Michael Pannwitz and I took on 250 very senior Rabbis and Imams from all over the world. Got real exciting, and it all worked.
>> 
>> Harrison
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>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of Nick Heap via OSList
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>> Subject: [OSList] Open Space and Interfaith
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>> Hi All
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone has used Open Space to facilitate Interfaith dialogue. It might be between people of different faiths or between people working with those of different faiths (or both). I work with a local Interfaith group and we are planning a public meeting for up to 250 people. We're at the beginning of thinking about it, so any experience or ideas you have would be very useful.
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>> I've had a quick search of the archive but found nothing relevant. 
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>> Best wishes,  
>> Nick Heap
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> Claudia Gross, an Open Space colleague and a dear friend to us all has done
> something pretty amazing. Sharing it with you now on this special day.
> 
> I am also reminded of the wonderful Open Space gatherings that have taken
> place at International House in New York for the past 20 years or so,
> hosted by Harrison and Karen Davis. The underlying theme has always been
> "The Practice of Peace".
> 
> This amazing work of art, images, movement and words captures this theme
> and so much more.
> 
> Enjoy and share!
> 
> As a YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=U2boyxyGP0I
> 
> As a Facebook link:
> https://www.facebook.com/speakgreenmovement/videos/1280427951980911/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED
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> 
> Suzanne
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> Suzanne Daigle
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> From: Thomas Herrmann via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs?
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> Wow thanks everyone contributing in this thread!
> I love the examples and learn from them and get strengthened. Often there is
> worry of negativity and criticism, but when space is opened passion and
> responsibility shows up :) Great example Michael H and Peggy. This keeps
> happening, isn't it?!
> 
> Birgitt you had some questions about givens. The main purpose with this
> initiative is to invite people in the local community to find ways to
> support young people to learn more. So the main idea is to start local
> initiatives using the passion and responsibility of single persons, parents,
> grandparents etc as well as NGOs, companies, other public organizations -
> you name it.
> 
> I think our pre-process has gotten us on common ground, there is no strong
> lobbying group that we think will try to take things over. So we probably go
> for organizing the 4 meetings within 2 weeks or so.
> 
> So any actions that people can take responsibility for are welcome. My
> sponsor is working on clarifying the givens from a list that they created in
> our last planning meeting. I am considering to have some kind of converging
> activity where input can be given to the school system, complementing the
> actions that people can take on directly.
> 
> Michael, thanks for your perspectives on givens and follow up. Definitely
> learning in that, for me. The handicraft with givens and how they are
> communicated is delicate. I like your questions for follow up. Will think
> more about that. 
> 
> Hilde, I love your idea to define the whole 4 meetings as one OST meeting.
> And to see how to hold the space for it!
> 
> So again - my BIG thanks to all contributing in this thread!
> I will keep you posted on how things move on
> Hugs
> Thomas Herrmann
> 
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> ?mne: Re: [OSList] [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs? (x-posted
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> Dear Judy,
> 
> in my practice I have always suggested to the sponsor (when that topic came
> up) not to make promises regarding the support of any action that arose out
> of the ost gathering... other than to provide for what I called "Next
> Meeting(s)".
> The Next Meeting, 3.5 hours (between 4 and 8 weeks after the ost event),
> gives space to
> 
> --- visualize the progress to date for each action
> --- have an exchange on the progress to date among all present
> --- collect and visualise future steps ("And Now?")
> --- exchange and add to "And Now?" by everyone present
> --- agree to the specific Next Step in each of the action groups
> --- have an exchange on the Next Steps and add stuff (ideas, I want to be
> part of this, etc.)
> 
> This design can be repeated until all actions originally planned are done
> with (mostly two such meetings suffice but there have been situations where
> up to 4 Next Meetings were needed)... participants together with the
> sponsor(s) decide at the end of each Next Meeting whether and when the next
> Next Meeting should be.
> (A detailed account on this approach can be seen on pages 181 to 192 with
> lots of pictures in "Meine open space Praxis"... the photos and German
> language skills will help. Its available as hard cover and eBook
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis
> https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book
> 
> 
> This approach ensures that those gathered around an action take the whole
> responsibility to actually see the action through. Whatever ressources they
> need from the organisation they need to and will acquire themselves. In
> other words, stuff happens because originators of actions see it through...
> its selforganisation all the way down and if an action is not supported I
> have heard of ingenious ways to get approval after all.
> 
> This approach is based on various assumptions:
> 
> --- participants gathered around an issue that they care/are passionate
> about and that they are willing to work/fight for will make progress on that
> issue completely irrespective of prior promises of support
> --- prior promises by the sponsor reduce either the  passion or
> responsibility or both for a particular issue and give rise to a plethora of
> proposals
> --- actions by participants bringing progress to particular issues,
> especially sticky ones, will benefit not only a particular issue but will
> support the infrastructure for future action in the organisation
> 
> 
> Another assumption that I have worked with and which, over the years of
> practice has more and more left the realm of assumption is that resilient,
> robust action can be expected after an ost event that makes time for a whole
> day and a half, with the first day spent in ost and the second in Action
> Planning (Action Space)... optimal are 2.5 days (16 hours spread over 3 days
> and two nights sleep).
> And, following that assumption, I have always informed sponsors of the
> givens I just mentioned.
> In some cases this led to splitting the event in a 1 day ost gathering and a
> half day action planning a week later (this always led to having folks show
> up in the Action Space that were not at the ost-day... word spread that
> something important is going to happen).
> 
> I should not forget to  mention that I often was asked about a 3 or 4 hour
> event. Result was always that the sponsor decided to follow my suggestion to
> rethink the matter and give me a ring later. That ring always came and more
> often than not, the sponsor continued the search for a different design.
> 
> And, if someone has a real business issue that requires immediate attention
> or hell breaks lose, if chaos and conflict can be seen right in front of
> you... even a space of less than 3 hours has to suffice to get actions in
> place... albeit, none of my 170 sponsors in the last 20 years faced such
> severe conditions but many wanted to reduce the time for a bypass operation
> from 7 hours to two.
> 
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
> 
>> On 16.09.2016 20:53, Judy Gast via OSList wrote:
>> To chime in here, I agree with Birgitt.  The key to success is 
>> insuring that there is a commitment to follow up through an officially 
>> sanctioned and supported process and infrastructure.  And as Michael 
>> has said an appropriate communications plan so that everyone who wants 
>> to come knows the details with appropriate lead time and 
>> accessibility,  including how to get involved in the implementation. 
>> And the results are linked back to the meeting, and perhaps even the 
>> person or persons who initiated the topic.  This is true for any open 
>> space, however these type of "public forum" sessions have more 
>> propensity to be seen as an opportunity for people to complain and
> grandstand their issues.
>> 
>> Look forward to reading more about it!
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList 
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>> 
>>> I see that you are hoping to use OST and yet not totally sure if it 
>>> will be your chosen method. I believe that OST is the only method 
>>> that will be sufficient for what you want to accomplish. It meets all 
>>> the criteria for when OST works best. The most important factor for 
>>> me though, is the Law of Two Feet so that people can choose to stay 
>>> or leave if there is hard lobbying for particular issues. I trust 
>>> that with the Law of Two Feet and how it is explained, all such 
>>> attempts will have only the effect that there is energy for...and no
> more.
>>> 
>>> Long ago, Larry Peterson, Judy Gast, and myself were the three 
>>> facilitators for three different OST meetings in the same big 
>>> building at the same time. It is how the sponsors figured we could 
>>> work well with about 600 people in meaningful ways around a very 
>>> conflicted issue in the educational sector, in a short time. This 
>>> allowed the reports of all three sessions to be available 
>>> simultaneously and there were advantages in this for convergence of 
>>> themes and the surprise that surfaced at the similarities and also 
>>> dissimilarities of what came from the three separate OST meetings. 
>>> Despite the conflicted issue and people picketing outside and us 
>>> being briefed on the potential for violence and heave lobbying 
>>> erupting in our meetings, there was no violence and the Law of Two 
>>> Feet took care of the lobbying. I think you get a very different 
>>> effect/outcomes if you have three concurrent OST meetings with three 
>>> facilitators than you do if you have a sequence of meetings in which 
>>> people who really want to get their agenda through go to all of the
> meetings.
>>> 
>>> The givens are very important in relation to outcomes. When I work in 
>>> a political context, I negotiate ahead of time with the political 
>>> body who must 1. make decisions, 2. assign budget to future action and 3.
>>> be held accountable by the public including media. There are endless 
>>> stories about successful OST meetings in which people feel so good at 
>>> the end of the meeting. However, the more important stories are the 
>>> ones in which after some months there was significant positive change.
>>> It seems that the job is not only to open space for people to have 
>>> conversations and reach agreed upon recommendations....it is more 
>>> importantly to open space in a rigid system that is well entrenched, 
>>> political, and has certain accountability. I am rather curious about 
>>> how you have set up for this.
>>> 
>>> So...when I work in a political context, part of my negotiation is 
>>> about whether action items can move forward by anyone in attendance
>>> ie: businesses, other organizations, individuals OR if the action 
>>> items have to wait for a decision/vote by a particular political body 
>>> like  a school board. My favorite and most impactful experiences have 
>>> been when the political body says right up front that any agreed on 
>>> recommendations that do not need to access extra budget through the 
>>> political body can go forward by anyone who has the passion and 
>>> resources to do so....without waiting for some agreement on a bigger 
>>> plan/budget. I admire political groups who are willing to open that 
>>> much space in their communities to take action on solutions,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes for a fantastic experience!
>>> Birgitt
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:37 AM Thomas Herrmann 
>>> <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com 
>>> <mailto:thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>    Dear friends in Open Space____
>>> 
>>>    I write to share about an exciting project and to ask to have
>>>    feedback/ideas/experiences assisting me to refine/decide on the
>>>    design I am working on.____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    The project is in a neighbouring town of about 35 000 inhabitants.
>>>    They are inviting everyone living there to explore ways to
>>>    contribute to enhance the learning amongst children/youth
>>>    complementing/supporting what is happening in the school. The top
>>>    politician in the town, responsible for education/schools is my
>>>    sponsor. During the spring I had a couple of meetings with the top
>>>    politicians and managers for the school system. Then we widened
>>>    the circles and had some meetings with other interest parties , to
>>>    invite more engagement for this idea. ____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    We have a plan that includes follow up, to support what is
>>>    emerging, decide on next steps and make sure there is report back
>>>    to what is happening and not.____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    A couple of  days ago we had our ?final? planning meeting getting
>>>    the theme etc. Still working on wording but something like ?For
>>>    the future of our children. How do we create conditions for
>>>    enhanced learning for pupils in our community?? Of practical
>>>    reasons evenings are considered the best options. Parents, pupils,
>>>    teachers, business people, public workers etc etc are all busy
>>>    daytime and weekends are not considered a good option. ?Everyone?
>>>    will be invited but it?s hard to say how many will come to each
>>>    meeting. I guess between 10-200 J____
>>> 
>>>    Now the plan is to have three 3-hour meetings in three different
>>>    parts of the small community. I have suggested a fourth meeting
>>>    where all are invited for convergence/action planning. There are
>>>    of course several challenges. I am not even sure I will suggest we
>>>    use OST even though I?d love to. I think a 3-hour meeting is the
>>>    bare minimum for the simplest form of an OST meeting. On the other
>>>    hand I see possibilities for this to be looked at like an OST
>>>    meeting consisting of three occasions ? 3 hours + convergence in a
>>>    fourth meeting for another 3 hours? That looks better, ey?____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    There are some opportunities with this:____
>>> 
>>>    __1.       __More time for the divergent process before
>>>    converging.____
>>> 
>>>    __2.       __People can choose to join several meetings, deepening
>>>    their thinking____
>>> 
>>>    __3.       __People can get access to more ideas/material from the
>>>    3 meetings.____
>>> 
>>>    __4.       __There can be continued conversations online in
>>>    between meetings and approaching meeting nbr 4.____
>>> 
>>>    __5.       __There will be opportunities for people to create
>>>    joint projects over ?boundaries? in the community (meeting nbr 4
>>>    and online)____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    There are several challenges with this too. ____
>>> 
>>>    __1.       __There will be different people in all of the
> meetings____
>>> 
>>>    __a.       __There needs to be a proper opening each time____
>>> 
>>>    __2.       __3 hours is very short. My plan: Opening/agenda 45
>>>    mts. Session 1 (45 mts). Session 2 (45 mts). Individual
>>>    reflection/personal commitment (15 mts). Closing 30 mts.____
>>> 
>>>    __a.       __For the actionplanning meeting (meeting nbr 4) I will
>>>    probably use re-opening, after a brief opening and reading
>>>    reports/reflecting. A couple of action planning sessions, 1 minute
>>>    reportback/group and then closing.____
>>> 
>>>    __3.       __How to bind everything together to one whole____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    So far I lean towards this plan but I would love to hear to your
>>>    ideas, thoughts, experiences and/or suggestions!____
>>> 
>>>    All the best____
>>> 
>>>    __ __
>>> 
>>>    Thomas Herrmann____
>>> 
>>>    Open Space Consulting AB____
>>> 
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:16:12 -0700
> From: Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: OSLIST <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: [OSList] Safety
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> Dear People(s) of Open Space,
> 
> What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the 
> "pre-work" to help ensure safety?
> 
> It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in 
> the organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that 
> be" on everything.
> 
> I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such 
> as explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing 
> dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.
> 
> And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in 
> ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility 
> for own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to 
> look beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we 
> look through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when 
> something powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step 
> (or a small series of steps to the center of the circle).
> 
> What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to 
> source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to 
> help ensure some level of safety?
> 
>     Thanks!
>     Harold
> 
> P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the 
> late Father Brian Bainbridge. 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> Harold Shinsato
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:31:46 -0700
> From: Peggy Holman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>,    Open Listserv
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Safety
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> Great question Harold! I always wince when people say the space needs to be safe. If you make space so safe that it leaves the opportunity for messiness out, nothing happens. Sometimes I?ve said "safe enough?. Ultimately, as you said, a sense of safety comes from within.
> 
> Rather than safety, I have come to focus on welcoming space. (With a nod to Juanita Brown, who helped me to understand the value of welcoming.) A spirit of welcome creates conditions for who and what shows up. And if you start cultivating a culture of welcome, then there?s room for all voices ? and those who come discover they belong. 
> 
> Peggy
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>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear People(s) of Open Space,
>> 
>> What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the "pre-work" to help ensure safety?
>> 
>> It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in the organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that be" on everything.
>> 
>> I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such as explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.
>> 
>> And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility for own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to look beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we look through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when something powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step (or a small series of steps to the center of the circle).
>> 
>> What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to help ensure some level of safety?
>> 
>>    Thanks!
>>    Harold
>> 
>> P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the late Father Brian Bainbridge. http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html>
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Harold Shinsato
>> harold at shinsato.com <mailto:harold at shinsato.com>
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> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:40:37 +0000
> From: Birgitt Williams via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Safety
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> Hi Harold,
> I believe that the greatest issues about safety come about when a
> facilitator attempts to reassure people that 'this is safe space'. We can
> never know if the space for conversations is actually safe, despite the
> safeguards built in by the four principles and the one law of OST. Those
> who choose to enact their leadership into the unknown, taking risks, being
> vulnerable, will do so....maybe now, maybe at a subsequent meeting. Those
> who for whatever reason need to hold back will do so.
> 
> Even to assure people that they have some responsibility for safety in
> themselves assumes too much. People take risks, they may know or not know
> the consequences that might come about, the collateral damage that might
> ensue. People cannot be responsible for even personal safety as it is not
> within their control.
> 
> And so I agree with what Peggy has offered as an alternative. The concept
> of welcoming space. This takes me to my concept that the facilitator
> doesn't open the welcoming space for the meeting....it must be the sponsor
> who does so.
> 
> Great question Harold!
> Birgitt
> 
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:32 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> 
>> Great question Harold! I always wince when people say the space needs to
>> be safe. If you make space so safe that it leaves the opportunity for
>> messiness out, nothing happens. Sometimes I?ve said "safe enough?.
>> Ultimately, as you said, a sense of safety comes from within.
>> 
>> Rather than safety, I have come to focus on welcoming space. (With a nod
>> to Juanita Brown, who helped me to understand the value of welcoming.) A
>> spirit of welcome creates conditions for who and what shows up. And if you
>> start cultivating a culture of welcome, then there?s room for all voices ?
>> and those who come discover they belong.
>> 
>> Peggy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _________________________________
>> Peggy Holman
>> Executive Director
>> Journalism that Matters
>> 15347 SE 49th Place
>> Bellevue, WA  98006
>> 206-948-0432
>> www.journalismthatmatters.net
>> www.peggyholman.com
>> Twitter: @peggyholman
>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream
>> 
>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into
>> Opportunity <http://www.engagingemergence.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear People(s) of Open Space,
>> 
>> What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the
>> "pre-work" to help ensure safety?
>> 
>> It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in the
>> organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that be" on
>> everything.
>> 
>> I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such as
>> explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing
>> dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.
>> 
>> And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in
>> ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility for
>> own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to look
>> beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we look
>> through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when something
>> powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step (or a small
>> series of steps to the center of the circle).
>> 
>> What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to
>> source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to
>> help ensure some level of safety?
>> 
>>    Thanks!
>>    Harold
>> 
>> P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the
>> late Father Brian Bainbridge.
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Harold Shinsato
>> harold at shinsato.com
>> http://shinsato.com
>> twitter: @hajush <http://twitter.com/hajush>
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