<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Safety:</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks for the question Harold, and the responses from Peggy & Birgit. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I want to go deeper into your second point Harold. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">In my experience, many of </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">the situations where we're opening space (especially multicultural and with people from divergent races, mixtures & backgrounds) -- and the spaces being opened by the Universal Field-- require deliberate deep prior conversations by the facilitation team to become aware of their own triggers and release them; commitment to a collective intention of connecting to source (with each person choosing way of doing so); and holding selves & each other accountable via the development of a practice that's happening during the gathering. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Beyond "welcoming", i would say we must be "loving" whatever the Universe brings in the door. 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Re: Open Space and Interfaith (Judy Gast via OSList)</span><br><span> 2. Re: Open Space and Interfaith (Judy Gast via OSList)</span><br><span> 3. International Day of Peace (Suzanne Daigle via OSList)</span><br><span> 4. Re: [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs? (x-posted</span><br><span> OS/GC-lists) (Thomas Herrmann via OSList)</span><br><span> 5. Safety (Harold Shinsato via OSList)</span><br><span> 6. Re: Safety (Peggy Holman via OSList)</span><br><span> 7. Re: Safety (Birgitt Williams via OSList)</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>----------------------------------------------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 1</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:36:00 -0400</span><br><span>From: Judy Gast via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Nick Heap <<a href="mailto:nickheap43@gmail.com">nickheap43@gmail.com</a>>, World wide Open Space Technology</span><br><span> email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Cc: Paul Gateshill <<a href="mailto:paulghill@hotmail.com">paulghill@hotmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Interfaith</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:694FFC91-9038-476F-8C50-074112FDC7BE@sympatico.ca">694FFC91-9038-476F-8C50-074112FDC7BE@sympatico.ca</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Nick, I designed and facilitated a two day event with about 40 ecumenists a year ago. I have never seen a group get so deep so fast and understand the benefits of the open space process. Think that it was helpful that we book ended the event with services, led by several of the senior participants and sponsors. We also had an opening evening, get to know each other, where each participant reflected on the question "tell us a story about when you have had an unanticipated surprise or blessing". That helped people get in the right mood and intention so that when we kick off the open space they went right to work.</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 19, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Nick Heap via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi All</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I was wondering if anyone has used Open Space to facilitate Interfaith dialogue. It might be between people of different faiths or between people working with those of different faiths (or both). I work with a local Interfaith group and we are planning a public meeting for up to 250 people. We're at the beginning of thinking about it, so any experience or ideas you have would be very useful.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've had a quick search of the archive but found nothing relevant. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best wishes, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Nick Heap</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>?+44 ?1707 886553 and ?+44 ?7879 861525</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tools and consultancy to help people work together better </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Web: <a href="http://www.nickheap.co.uk">www.nickheap.co.uk</a> (With 300 + free developmental articles and tools)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160920/d9747cfa/attachment.html">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160920/d9747cfa/attachment.html</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 2</span><br><span>Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2016 17:45:55 -0400</span><br><span>From: Judy Gast via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Harrison Owen <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>>, World wide Open Space</span><br><span> Technology email list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Open Space and Interfaith</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4F74E78C-4BE0-4A3F-83A9-48A0239272EB@sympatico.ca">4F74E78C-4BE0-4A3F-83A9-48A0239272EB@sympatico.ca</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>The one Harrison refers to is the one that I mentioned in my previous post. It was supposed to be 100 but due to the fact the pope was in Washington at the same time only about 45 came.</span><br><span></span><br><span>As mentioned it was the most poignant and productive open space I have been involved with. There were some very deeply held beliefs that were discussed openly. Ecumenists by definition, are folks that should/are open to finding common ground amongst all the various truisms and universalisms amongst their various faiths. Although all were Catholic or Protestant, we did have some Christian scientists and others who hold differing beliefs than the other sects.</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Nick, glad to discuss further if helpful. </span><br><span>Judy Gast</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 19, 2016, at 4:30 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Doubtless there multiple experiences? but the last one I heard about was a gathering of 100+ for a multi faith / ecumenical gathering sponsored by the National Council of Churches. Of course there was also the time that Michael Pannwitz and I took on 250 very senior Rabbis and Imams from all over the world. Got real exciting, and it all worked.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harrison</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Winter Address</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>7808 River Falls Dr.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Potomac, MD 20854</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>301-365-2093</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Summer Address</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>189 Beaucauire Ave</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Camden, ME 04843</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>207 763-3261</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Websites</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.ho-image.com">www.ho-image.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] On Behalf Of Nick Heap via OSList</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:49 AM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Open Space List</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: Paul Gateshill</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: [OSList] Open Space and Interfaith</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi All</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I was wondering if anyone has used Open Space to facilitate Interfaith dialogue. It might be between people of different faiths or between people working with those of different faiths (or both). I work with a local Interfaith group and we are planning a public meeting for up to 250 people. We're at the beginning of thinking about it, so any experience or ideas you have would be very useful.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've had a quick search of the archive but found nothing relevant. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best wishes, </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Nick Heap</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>?+44 ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>1707 886553 and</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>?+44 ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>7879 861525</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Tools and consultancy to help people work together better </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Web: <a href="http://www.nickheap.co.uk">www.nickheap.co.uk</a> (With 300 + free developmental articles and tools)</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160920/c322ea9a/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160920/c322ea9a/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 3</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:22:17 -0400</span><br><span>From: Suzanne Daigle via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: OSLIST <<a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: [OSList] International Day of Peace</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAJh+fLDBCUaPg6OOS4_J+mYdEY3rbAwJm+BKX9fvy7h9=_MUcw@mail.gmail.com">CAJh+fLDBCUaPg6OOS4_J+mYdEY3rbAwJm+BKX9fvy7h9=_MUcw@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Claudia Gross, an Open Space colleague and a dear friend to us all has done</span><br><span>something pretty amazing. Sharing it with you now on this special day.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I am also reminded of the wonderful Open Space gatherings that have taken</span><br><span>place at International House in New York for the past 20 years or so,</span><br><span>hosted by Harrison and Karen Davis. The underlying theme has always been</span><br><span>"The Practice of Peace".</span><br><span></span><br><span>This amazing work of art, images, movement and words captures this theme</span><br><span>and so much more.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Enjoy and share!</span><br><span></span><br><span>As a YouTube: <a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=U2boyxyGP0I">https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=U2boyxyGP0I</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>As a Facebook link:</span><br><span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/speakgreenmovement/videos/1280427951980911/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED">https://www.facebook.com/speakgreenmovement/videos/1280427951980911/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Suzanne</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Suzanne Daigle</span><br><span>Open Space Facilitator</span><br><span>NuFocus Strategic Group</span><br><span></span><br><span>FL 941-359-8877</span><br><span>Cell: 203-722-2009</span><br><span><a href="http://www.nufocusgroup.com">www.nufocusgroup.com</a></span><br><span><a href="mailto:s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com">s.daigle@nufocusgroup.com</a></span><br><span>Twitter @Daiglesuz</span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/33dbff8d/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/33dbff8d/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 4</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:39:22 +0200</span><br><span>From: Thomas Herrmann via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: "'World wide Open Space Technology email list'"</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>, "'GC list'"</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:genuine-contact@googlegroups.com">genuine-contact@googlegroups.com</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs?</span><br><span> (x-posted OS/GC-lists)</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:001701d21426$b5952950$20bf7bf0$@openspaceconsulting.com">001701d21426$b5952950$20bf7bf0$@openspaceconsulting.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Wow thanks everyone contributing in this thread!</span><br><span>I love the examples and learn from them and get strengthened. Often there is</span><br><span>worry of negativity and criticism, but when space is opened passion and</span><br><span>responsibility shows up :) Great example Michael H and Peggy. This keeps</span><br><span>happening, isn't it?!</span><br><span></span><br><span>Birgitt you had some questions about givens. The main purpose with this</span><br><span>initiative is to invite people in the local community to find ways to</span><br><span>support young people to learn more. So the main idea is to start local</span><br><span>initiatives using the passion and responsibility of single persons, parents,</span><br><span>grandparents etc as well as NGOs, companies, other public organizations -</span><br><span>you name it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I think our pre-process has gotten us on common ground, there is no strong</span><br><span>lobbying group that we think will try to take things over. So we probably go</span><br><span>for organizing the 4 meetings within 2 weeks or so.</span><br><span></span><br><span>So any actions that people can take responsibility for are welcome. My</span><br><span>sponsor is working on clarifying the givens from a list that they created in</span><br><span>our last planning meeting. I am considering to have some kind of converging</span><br><span>activity where input can be given to the school system, complementing the</span><br><span>actions that people can take on directly.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Michael, thanks for your perspectives on givens and follow up. Definitely</span><br><span>learning in that, for me. The handicraft with givens and how they are</span><br><span>communicated is delicate. I like your questions for follow up. Will think</span><br><span>more about that. </span><br><span></span><br><span>Hilde, I love your idea to define the whole 4 meetings as one OST meeting.</span><br><span>And to see how to hold the space for it!</span><br><span></span><br><span>So again - my BIG thanks to all contributing in this thread!</span><br><span>I will keep you posted on how things move on</span><br><span>Hugs</span><br><span>Thomas Herrmann</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----</span><br><span>Fr?n: OSList [<a href="mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist-bounces@lists.openspacetech.org</a>] F?r Michael M</span><br><span>Pannwitz via OSList</span><br><span>Skickat: den 17 september 2016 13:33</span><br><span>Till: Judy Gast <<a href="mailto:jgast@sympatico.ca">jgast@sympatico.ca</a>>; World wide Open Space Technology email</span><br><span>list <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>; Williams, Birgitt</span><br><span><<a href="mailto:birgitt@dalarinternational.com">birgitt@dalarinternational.com</a>></span><br><span>?mne: Re: [OSList] [GC] Time challenge - multiple short OSTs? (x-posted</span><br><span>OS/GC-lists)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dear Judy,</span><br><span></span><br><span>in my practice I have always suggested to the sponsor (when that topic came</span><br><span>up) not to make promises regarding the support of any action that arose out</span><br><span>of the ost gathering... other than to provide for what I called "Next</span><br><span>Meeting(s)".</span><br><span>The Next Meeting, 3.5 hours (between 4 and 8 weeks after the ost event),</span><br><span>gives space to</span><br><span></span><br><span>--- visualize the progress to date for each action</span><br><span>--- have an exchange on the progress to date among all present</span><br><span>--- collect and visualise future steps ("And Now?")</span><br><span>--- exchange and add to "And Now?" by everyone present</span><br><span>--- agree to the specific Next Step in each of the action groups</span><br><span>--- have an exchange on the Next Steps and add stuff (ideas, I want to be</span><br><span>part of this, etc.)</span><br><span></span><br><span>This design can be repeated until all actions originally planned are done</span><br><span>with (mostly two such meetings suffice but there have been situations where</span><br><span>up to 4 Next Meetings were needed)... participants together with the</span><br><span>sponsor(s) decide at the end of each Next Meeting whether and when the next</span><br><span>Next Meeting should be.</span><br><span>(A detailed account on this approach can be seen on pages 181 to 192 with</span><br><span>lots of pictures in "Meine open space Praxis"... the photos and German</span><br><span>language skills will help. Its available as hard cover and eBook</span><br><span><a href="https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis">https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis</a></span><br><span><a href="https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book">https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>This approach ensures that those gathered around an action take the whole</span><br><span>responsibility to actually see the action through. Whatever ressources they</span><br><span>need from the organisation they need to and will acquire themselves. In</span><br><span>other words, stuff happens because originators of actions see it through...</span><br><span>its selforganisation all the way down and if an action is not supported I</span><br><span>have heard of ingenious ways to get approval after all.</span><br><span></span><br><span>This approach is based on various assumptions:</span><br><span></span><br><span>--- participants gathered around an issue that they care/are passionate</span><br><span>about and that they are willing to work/fight for will make progress on that</span><br><span>issue completely irrespective of prior promises of support</span><br><span>--- prior promises by the sponsor reduce either the passion or</span><br><span>responsibility or both for a particular issue and give rise to a plethora of</span><br><span>proposals</span><br><span>--- actions by participants bringing progress to particular issues,</span><br><span>especially sticky ones, will benefit not only a particular issue but will</span><br><span>support the infrastructure for future action in the organisation</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Another assumption that I have worked with and which, over the years of</span><br><span>practice has more and more left the realm of assumption is that resilient,</span><br><span>robust action can be expected after an ost event that makes time for a whole</span><br><span>day and a half, with the first day spent in ost and the second in Action</span><br><span>Planning (Action Space)... optimal are 2.5 days (16 hours spread over 3 days</span><br><span>and two nights sleep).</span><br><span>And, following that assumption, I have always informed sponsors of the</span><br><span>givens I just mentioned.</span><br><span>In some cases this led to splitting the event in a 1 day ost gathering and a</span><br><span>half day action planning a week later (this always led to having folks show</span><br><span>up in the Action Space that were not at the ost-day... word spread that</span><br><span>something important is going to happen).</span><br><span></span><br><span>I should not forget to mention that I often was asked about a 3 or 4 hour</span><br><span>event. Result was always that the sponsor decided to follow my suggestion to</span><br><span>rethink the matter and give me a ring later. That ring always came and more</span><br><span>often than not, the sponsor continued the search for a different design.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And, if someone has a real business issue that requires immediate attention</span><br><span>or hell breaks lose, if chaos and conflict can be seen right in front of</span><br><span>you... even a space of less than 3 hours has to suffice to get actions in</span><br><span>place... albeit, none of my 170 sponsors in the last 20 years faced such</span><br><span>severe conditions but many wanted to reduce the time for a bypass operation</span><br><span>from 7 hours to two.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Greetings from Berlin</span><br><span>mmp</span><br><span></span><br><span>On 16.09.2016 20:53, Judy Gast via OSList wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span> To chime in here, I agree with Birgitt. The key to success is </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>insuring that there is a commitment to follow up through an officially </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sanctioned and supported process and infrastructure. And as Michael </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>has said an appropriate communications plan so that everyone who wants </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to come knows the details with appropriate lead time and </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>accessibility, including how to get involved in the implementation. </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And the results are linked back to the meeting, and perhaps even the </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>person or persons who initiated the topic. This is true for any open </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>space, however these type of "public forum" sessions have more </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>propensity to be seen as an opportunity for people to complain and</span><br></blockquote><span>grandstand their issues.</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Look forward to reading more about it!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Judy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi Thomas,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I see that you are hoping to use OST and yet not totally sure if it </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>will be your chosen method. I believe that OST is the only method </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that will be sufficient for what you want to accomplish. It meets all </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the criteria for when OST works best. The most important factor for </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>me though, is the Law of Two Feet so that people can choose to stay </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>or leave if there is hard lobbying for particular issues. I trust </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that with the Law of Two Feet and how it is explained, all such </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>attempts will have only the effect that there is energy for...and no</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span>more.</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Long ago, Larry Peterson, Judy Gast, and myself were the three </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>facilitators for three different OST meetings in the same big </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>building at the same time. It is how the sponsors figured we could </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>work well with about 600 people in meaningful ways around a very </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>conflicted issue in the educational sector, in a short time. This </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>allowed the reports of all three sessions to be available </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>simultaneously and there were advantages in this for convergence of </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>themes and the surprise that surfaced at the similarities and also </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>dissimilarities of what came from the three separate OST meetings. </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Despite the conflicted issue and people picketing outside and us </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>being briefed on the potential for violence and heave lobbying </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>erupting in our meetings, there was no violence and the Law of Two </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Feet took care of the lobbying. I think you get a very different </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>effect/outcomes if you have three concurrent OST meetings with three </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>facilitators than you do if you have a sequence of meetings in which </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>people who really want to get their agenda through go to all of the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span>meetings.</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>The givens are very important in relation to outcomes. When I work in </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>a political context, I negotiate ahead of time with the political </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>body who must 1. make decisions, 2. assign budget to future action and 3.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>be held accountable by the public including media. There are endless </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>stories about successful OST meetings in which people feel so good at </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the end of the meeting. However, the more important stories are the </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ones in which after some months there was significant positive change.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>It seems that the job is not only to open space for people to have </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>conversations and reach agreed upon recommendations....it is more </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>importantly to open space in a rigid system that is well entrenched, </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>political, and has certain accountability. I am rather curious about </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>how you have set up for this.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>So...when I work in a political context, part of my negotiation is </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about whether action items can move forward by anyone in attendance</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ie: businesses, other organizations, individuals OR if the action </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>items have to wait for a decision/vote by a particular political body </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>like a school board. My favorite and most impactful experiences have </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>been when the political body says right up front that any agreed on </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>recommendations that do not need to access extra budget through the </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>political body can go forward by anyone who has the passion and </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>resources to do so....without waiting for some agreement on a bigger </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>plan/budget. I admire political groups who are willing to open that </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>much space in their communities to take action on solutions,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Best wishes for a fantastic experience!</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Birgitt</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:37 AM Thomas Herrmann </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com">mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Dear friends in Open Space____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> I write to share about an exciting project and to ask to have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> feedback/ideas/experiences assisting me to refine/decide on the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> design I am working on.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> The project is in a neighbouring town of about 35 000 inhabitants.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> They are inviting everyone living there to explore ways to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> contribute to enhance the learning amongst children/youth</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> complementing/supporting what is happening in the school. The top</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> politician in the town, responsible for education/schools is my</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> sponsor. During the spring I had a couple of meetings with the top</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> politicians and managers for the school system. Then we widened</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> the circles and had some meetings with other interest parties , to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> invite more engagement for this idea. ____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> We have a plan that includes follow up, to support what is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> emerging, decide on next steps and make sure there is report back</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> to what is happening and not.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> A couple of days ago we had our ?final? planning meeting getting</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> the theme etc. Still working on wording but something like ?For</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> the future of our children. How do we create conditions for</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> enhanced learning for pupils in our community?? Of practical</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> reasons evenings are considered the best options. Parents, pupils,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> teachers, business people, public workers etc etc are all busy</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> daytime and weekends are not considered a good option. ?Everyone?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> will be invited but it?s hard to say how many will come to each</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> meeting. I guess between 10-200 J____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Now the plan is to have three 3-hour meetings in three different</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> parts of the small community. I have suggested a fourth meeting</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> where all are invited for convergence/action planning. There are</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> of course several challenges. I am not even sure I will suggest we</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> use OST even though I?d love to. I think a 3-hour meeting is the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> bare minimum for the simplest form of an OST meeting. On the other</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> hand I see possibilities for this to be looked at like an OST</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> meeting consisting of three occasions ? 3 hours + convergence in a</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> fourth meeting for another 3 hours? That looks better, ey?____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> There are some opportunities with this:____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __1. __More time for the divergent process before</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> converging.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __2. __People can choose to join several meetings, deepening</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> their thinking____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __3. __People can get access to more ideas/material from the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> 3 meetings.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __4. __There can be continued conversations online in</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> between meetings and approaching meeting nbr 4.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __5. __There will be opportunities for people to create</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> joint projects over ?boundaries? in the community (meeting nbr 4</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> and online)____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> There are several challenges with this too. ____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __1. __There will be different people in all of the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><span>meetings____</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __a. __There needs to be a proper opening each time____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __2. __3 hours is very short. My plan: Opening/agenda 45</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> mts. Session 1 (45 mts). Session 2 (45 mts). Individual</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> reflection/personal commitment (15 mts). Closing 30 mts.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __a. __For the actionplanning meeting (meeting nbr 4) I will</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> probably use re-opening, after a brief opening and reading</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> reports/reflecting. A couple of action planning sessions, 1 minute</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> reportback/group and then closing.____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __3. __How to bind everything together to one whole____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> So far I lean towards this plan but I would love to hear to your</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> ideas, thoughts, experiences and/or suggestions!____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> All the best____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Thomas Herrmann____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Open Space Consulting AB____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="http://www.openspaceconsulting.com">www.openspaceconsulting.com</a> </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><<a href="http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/">http://www.openspaceconsulting.com/</a>>____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> You reach us via phone: +46 (0)709 98 97 81 or email:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com">thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> <<a href="mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com">mailto:thomas@openspaceconsulting.com</a>>____</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> __ __</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Open Space Consulting is a small company with BIG ambitions to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> assist leaders and organizations as well as local communities to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> tap into their full power to achieve their dreams. 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href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 5</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:16:12 -0700</span><br><span>From: Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: OSLIST <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: [OSList] Safety</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:083b6efc-d6af-5da5-6d0a-ce8f97d7beb9@shinsato.com">083b6efc-d6af-5da5-6d0a-ce8f97d7beb9@shinsato.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dear People(s) of Open Space,</span><br><span></span><br><span>What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the </span><br><span>"pre-work" to help ensure safety?</span><br><span></span><br><span>It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in </span><br><span>the organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that </span><br><span>be" on everything.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such </span><br><span>as explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing </span><br><span>dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in </span><br><span>ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility </span><br><span>for own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to </span><br><span>look beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we </span><br><span>look through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when </span><br><span>something powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step </span><br><span>(or a small series of steps to the center of the circle).</span><br><span></span><br><span>What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to </span><br><span>source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to </span><br><span>help ensure some level of safety?</span><br><span></span><br><span> Thanks!</span><br><span> Harold</span><br><span></span><br><span>P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the </span><br><span>late Father Brian Bainbridge. </span><br><span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html</a></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>-- </span><br><span>Harold Shinsato</span><br><span><a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a> <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">mailto:harold@shinsato.com</a>></span><br><span><a href="http://shinsato.com">http://shinsato.com</a></span><br><span>twitter: @hajush <<a href="http://twitter.com/hajush">http://twitter.com/hajush</a>></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/89a87447/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/89a87447/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 6</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 11:31:46 -0700</span><br><span>From: Peggy Holman via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: Harold Shinsato <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a>>, Open Listserv</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Safety</span><br><span>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1F9BE55E-CA57-491E-BC3F-4B1745A7B559@peggyholman.com">1F9BE55E-CA57-491E-BC3F-4B1745A7B559@peggyholman.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Great question Harold! I always wince when people say the space needs to be safe. If you make space so safe that it leaves the opportunity for messiness out, nothing happens. Sometimes I?ve said "safe enough?. Ultimately, as you said, a sense of safety comes from within.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Rather than safety, I have come to focus on welcoming space. (With a nod to Juanita Brown, who helped me to understand the value of welcoming.) A spirit of welcome creates conditions for who and what shows up. And if you start cultivating a culture of welcome, then there?s room for all voices ? and those who come discover they belong. </span><br><span></span><br><span>Peggy</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>_________________________________</span><br><span>Peggy Holman</span><br><span>Executive Director</span><br><span>Journalism that Matters</span><br><span>15347 SE 49th Place</span><br><span>Bellevue, WA 98006</span><br><span>206-948-0432</span><br><span><a href="http://www.journalismthatmatters.net">www.journalismthatmatters.net</a></span><br><span><a href="http://www.peggyholman.com">www.peggyholman.com</a></span><br><span>Twitter: @peggyholman</span><br><span>JTM Twitter: @JTMStream</span><br><span></span><br><span>Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning?Upheaval into Opportunity <<a href="http://www.engagingemergence.com/">http://www.engagingemergence.com/</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear People(s) of Open Space,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the "pre-work" to help ensure safety?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in the organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that be" on everything.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such as explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility for own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to look beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we look through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when something powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step (or a small series of steps to the center of the circle).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to help ensure some level of safety?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Thanks!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Harold</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the late Father Brian Bainbridge. <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html</a> <<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-- </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harold Shinsato</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a> <<a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">mailto:harold@shinsato.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://shinsato.com">http://shinsato.com</a> <<a href="http://shinsato.com/">http://shinsato.com/</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>twitter: @hajush <<a href="http://twitter.com/hajush">http://twitter.com/hajush</a>>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/eba320ec/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/eba320ec/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Message: 7</span><br><span>Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:40:37 +0000</span><br><span>From: Birgitt Williams via OSList <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>To: World wide Open Space Technology email list</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>></span><br><span>Subject: Re: [OSList] Safety</span><br><span>Message-ID:</span><br><span> <<a href="mailto:CAKF340iNABm1hq4f-bBU94RFWCnftK782t_Uf+hyBVSo8qYzww@mail.gmail.com">CAKF340iNABm1hq4f-bBU94RFWCnftK782t_Uf+hyBVSo8qYzww@mail.gmail.com</a>></span><br><span>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br><span></span><br><span>Hi Harold,</span><br><span>I believe that the greatest issues about safety come about when a</span><br><span>facilitator attempts to reassure people that 'this is safe space'. We can</span><br><span>never know if the space for conversations is actually safe, despite the</span><br><span>safeguards built in by the four principles and the one law of OST. Those</span><br><span>who choose to enact their leadership into the unknown, taking risks, being</span><br><span>vulnerable, will do so....maybe now, maybe at a subsequent meeting. Those</span><br><span>who for whatever reason need to hold back will do so.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Even to assure people that they have some responsibility for safety in</span><br><span>themselves assumes too much. People take risks, they may know or not know</span><br><span>the consequences that might come about, the collateral damage that might</span><br><span>ensue. People cannot be responsible for even personal safety as it is not</span><br><span>within their control.</span><br><span></span><br><span>And so I agree with what Peggy has offered as an alternative. The concept</span><br><span>of welcoming space. This takes me to my concept that the facilitator</span><br><span>doesn't open the welcoming space for the meeting....it must be the sponsor</span><br><span>who does so.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Great question Harold!</span><br><span>Birgitt</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:32 PM Peggy Holman via OSList <</span><br><span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Great question Harold! I always wince when people say the space needs to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>be safe. If you make space so safe that it leaves the opportunity for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>messiness out, nothing happens. Sometimes I?ve said "safe enough?.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Ultimately, as you said, a sense of safety comes from within.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Rather than safety, I have come to focus on welcoming space. (With a nod</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>to Juanita Brown, who helped me to understand the value of welcoming.) A</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>spirit of welcome creates conditions for who and what shows up. And if you</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>start cultivating a culture of welcome, then there?s room for all voices ?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and those who come discover they belong.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Peggy</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Peggy Holman</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Executive Director</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Journalism that Matters</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>15347 SE 49th Place</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Bellevue, WA 98006</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>206-948-0432</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.journalismthatmatters.net">www.journalismthatmatters.net</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.peggyholman.com">www.peggyholman.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Twitter: @peggyholman</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>JTM Twitter: @JTMStream</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Opportunity <<a href="http://www.engagingemergence.com">http://www.engagingemergence.com</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Dear People(s) of Open Space,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What is the importance of safety? What, if any, work is needed in the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"pre-work" to help ensure safety?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>It seems that safety is doomed if the "givens" are that the people in the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>organization must either be silent or agree with the "powers that be" on</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>everything.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I'm seeing two aspects to this. At one level, systemic oppression (such as</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>explicitly killing, imprisoning, or otherwise effectively punishing</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>dissent) clearly would shut down any opening in an open space.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>And at another level, safety is something we can be responsible in</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>ourselves. With enough passion and courage, we can take responsibility for</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>own safety. And also, it can be easy just to stay silent, or not to look</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>beyond the smallness of our comfort zone because of the lenses we look</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>through. And then we won't even try something out of fear, when something</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>powerful could have been a result of us taking a small step (or a small</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>series of steps to the center of the circle).</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>What do you all think about safety, and helping to encourage people to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>source their own safety, as well as working with the "powers that be" to</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>help ensure some level of safety?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Thanks!</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span> Harold</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>P.S. I did find one interesting post about this in the archives from the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>late Father Brian Bainbridge.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org/msg01333.html</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Harold Shinsato</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:harold@shinsato.com">harold@shinsato.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://shinsato.com">http://shinsato.com</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>twitter: @hajush <<a href="http://twitter.com/hajush">http://twitter.com/hajush</a>></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Past archives can be viewed here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>OSList mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Past archives can be viewed here:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br></blockquote><span>-------------- next part --------------</span><br><span>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</span><br><span>URL: <<a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/c14b06c2/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20160921/c14b06c2/attachment-0001.htm</a>></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>Subject: Digest Footer</span><br><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>OSList mailing list</span><br><span>To post send emails to <a href="mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To unsubscribe send an email to <a href="mailto:OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org">OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:</span><br><span><a href="http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org">http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span>Past archives can be viewed here: <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org">http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org</a></span><br><span></span><br><span>------------------------------</span><br><span></span><br><span>End of OSList Digest, Vol 65, Issue 16</span><br><span>**************************************</span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>