[OSList] sweet spot - online OST

Susan Partnow via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Thu Sep 1 14:36:04 PDT 2016


This looks so exciting!  I hope there'll be another live trial digital OS
soon!

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:07 PM, via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
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> From: Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Lucas Cioffi <lucas at qiqochat.com>,  World wide Open Space
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> very nice, lucas!  though i think the beautiful pictures distract from the
> elegance of your framing work and maybe from meeting content, too.  i added
> a small heap of user stories for you in the front porch notes.
>
> m
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> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Birgitt, thank you for the useful questions.  Using one's own story as
> > an invitation is a great idea, and there's a project that I can apply it
> > to.  Also, the idea of a group of people taking turns "occupying" an
> online
> > space for hours/days that you mention is pretty awesome.  Maybe there's
> an
> > application of this idea in the "online house prototype" mentioned below.
> >
> > Brian Burt, I do look forward to seeing the upcoming innovations with
> > MaestroConference that you mention.  It's already a ground-breaking
> > platform.
> >
> > Michael Herman, I love the zoom in/out idea.  Thanks for all the detailed
> > thinking and mentioning how online spaces are just another form of space.
> > When we ran the Video Open Space on Open Space last year, it was a
> > revelation to me that when everyone is on video, they are
> > connecting/sharing their own private spaces (ie kitchen tables).
> >
> > Ben Roberts, I look forward to seeing your next innovation/experiment.  I
> > especially liked participating in the online gift economy last year.
> >
> > For whomever is interested, based on this OSList thread, I made some
> > changes this evening to QiqoChat video events.  My goal is to create a
> more
> > minimalist version that could be used for OST.  A Qiqo live event
> consists
> > of a breakout space with a notetaking space plus a button to connect
> > through Zoom video.  Also, you can see how many people are in each of the
> > other spaces so you know when to use your two feet.
> >
> > As Ben mentioned about tools in general, no tool is sufficient on its
> own;
> > skilled facilitation is the key ingredient in hosting a successful event.
> > Tonight's iteration is still rough, but it has a playful feel.  I named
> the
> > spaces in this virtual house (kitchen, garden, sun room, pool, etc) and a
> > background photo for each.
> >
> > *When people go to this demo online OST, they arrive on the "Front
> > Porch".  A screenshot is attached.*  That's where the opening circle
> > would happen and where the marketplace wall would be posted.  Then
> > participants can go into all the other rooms for their breakouts.
> >
> > *For the curious folks out there, *here's the link to test
> > <https://qiqochat.com/breakout/0/tddbQjxXRaQZEUDQoTCORGONq>.  If you
> > don't have an account and you don't want to create an account, you can
> sign
> > in with "test at test.com" and a password of "test".
> >
> > *I must give credit to Suzanne Daigle for this idea of hosting inside a
> > house.*  She mentioned this idea in her email post two days ago and for
> > over a year, she had been suggesting that I should create something that
> > feels like a house online.  So tonight I said "What the heck?" and gave
> her
> > idea a try.  This is a very neat idea, and I think it opens up a whole
> > bunch of possibilities for replicating physical spaces online.  Michael
> > Herman has also been innovating in this way with Sococo and generously
> > sharing his thoughts here on OSList.
> >
> > If anyone has any suggestions/questions, please add your reply here.  I
> > welcome additional feedback; this is innovation in the open, and anyone
> > working on a tech experiment/platform will benefit from this discussion.
> >
> > Lucas Cioffi
> > Charlottesville, VA
> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Lucas,
> >> I cannot seem to stay on the intended topic of this thread...to get
> >> ideas. I am aware of how short lived creations can be, before they morph
> >> into something else. I also realized I asked insufficient questions in a
> >> prior post. The questions I feel need to be answered are:
> >> Lucas...what are you passionate about with this work you are into, what
> >> brings a fire to your heart and soul? And then go with it, whatever it
> may
> >> be. Someone and maybe many someones will say 'this is just what I
> need!".
> >> Follow your bliss and they will come. When something is created from
> heart
> >> centered 'this is what I am in the world to do' and 'this is my bit for
> >> creating a more nourishing future for humanity' you are on the right
> track.
> >>
> >> Michael...in that training you did where the 'we' of that group
> concluded
> >> that OST could be distilled to people and story, that is one example
> that
> >> comes out of doing that exercise. having done this exercise with lots of
> >> people, the results are diverse, with different people and groups of
> people
> >> reaching different conclusions. One of the things I say to the
> facilitators
> >> is that no one except them can make the choice of what constitutes and
> OST
> >> meeting and what does not based on whatever elements they personally
> feel
> >> are necessary. It depends very much on what their hearts are calling
> them
> >> to create.
> >>
> >> What feels like space that is open to one person feels like closed space
> >> to another person.
> >>
> >> I believe Chris Corrigan spoke about the artistry.
> >>
> >> What I can imagine that would open space for me is a drumming circle. No
> >> topics, no reports, etc. Just someone present all of the time
> (alternating
> >> people) who are willing to keep the drumming circle going. As different
> >> ones of us join in, each with our own drums, choosing video feed or not,
> >> people join in the beat, maybe aligning with the heartbeat of the earth.
> >> Somewhere on the screen, there could be a space  for capturing
> reflections
> >> that happened during the participation of the individual...in words and
> in
> >> drawings and other graphics. I could imagine this gaining quite a
> >> following...although if your intent is money making, it might need to be
> >> donation based.
> >>
> >> Blessings,
> >> Birgitt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:56 PM Michael Herman via OSList <
> >> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
> >>> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
> This
> >>> one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
> different
> >>> people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied by a
> >>> powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their topic
> was
> >>> specifically about visualization of complex work and dynamics.  Would
> have
> >>> been weird without some visuals to their stories of visualizations.
> >>>
> >>> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
> >>> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his
> examples, and
> >>> all through the session he watched the audience and the other speakers
> on
> >>> his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a show of
> hands.
> >>> He was totally there.
> >>>
> >>> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
> >>> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could
> it
> >>> happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.
> Online
> >>> in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space, right
> >>> enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had us
> cooking
> >>> up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
> >>>
> >>> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
> >>> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
> >>> everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so
> online, via
> >>> sococo.com and also using some little robot gizmos each of which lets
> >>> one person put their face on an ipad and remotely control the neck that
> >>> holds it, so they can turn their head, nod, look up and down.
> >>>
> >>> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
> >>> space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.
> we
> >>> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
> >>>
> >>> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
> >>> some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.
> so's not
> >>> being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move myself
> >>> between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
> >>>
> >>> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
> >>> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
> >>> gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and
> their
> >>> groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around
> and
> >>> get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we
> need a
> >>> way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them somewhere.
> We
> >>> need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question, but ideally
> not in
> >>> the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it finishes.  A way to
> >>> capture notes and share them with everyone.
> >>>
> >>> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
> >>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
> needed
> >>> to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a totally new
> idea
> >>> for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and Slide in a big
> >>> online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Michael Herman
> >>> Michael Herman Associates
> >>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >>>
> >>> http://MichaelHerman.com
> >>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList <
> >>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face to
> >>>> face meetings with all the tech available for communication: higher
> >>>> bandwidth.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ben ? thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peggy
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> >>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
> >>>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently constituted
> major
> >>>> parts of the early community were all Techies of a sort. Some of them
> >>>> actually designed systems and wrote code and others were more ?eager
> >>>> participants? ? that would include me. The new toy was Internet,
> which at
> >>>> the point we became involved was still property of the US Army and
> known as
> >>>> DARPA NET. The world changed under our feet, and the word ?exciting?
> is
> >>>> pretty limp.
> >>>>
> >>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw possibilities
> >>>> in OS. One group came to me with what they thought was a revolutionary
> >>>> idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have everybody communicate
> through
> >>>> them and a ?master? screen set on the wall. The whole thing was
> prewired
> >>>> and magnificently packaged. They made their presentation, but their
> faces
> >>>> fell when I said, ?Guys, we could actually talk to each other.?  In
> fact, I
> >>>> believe they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to
> corporations
> >>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy, or
> >>>> whatever, to communicate directly, face to face.
> >>>>
> >>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most
> recent
> >>>> ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy and
> creativity.
> >>>> But at the end of the day, I really didn?t see much value added that
> >>>> couldn?t have been supplied (at much less cost) by the simple
> application
> >>>> of everyday, off the shelf kinds of stuff. I do grant that the
> proposed
> >>>> systems were an awful lot prettier ? and I really was impressed with
> my
> >>>> electronic ?birthday.? But from the very beginning it seemed to me
> that we
> >>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I totally
> >>>> understand the techie attraction, and I salute their tenacity?.
> >>>>
> >>>> Somehow, the attempt to ?replicate the Open Space experience online?
> >>>> just doesn?t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious ? but it rather
> >>>> reminds me of attempting to replicate making love.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I guess I am back to where I started ? What next? It?s wide open
> and
> >>>> massively potential? but we ain?t there yet. I don?t think.
> >>>>
> >>>> Harrison
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Winter Address
> >>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >>>> Potomac, MD 20854
> >>>> 301-365-2093
> >>>>
> >>>> Summer Address
> >>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> >>>> Camden, ME 04843
> >>>> 207 763-3261
> >>>>
> >>>> Websites
> >>>> www.openspaceworld.com
> >>>> www.ho-image.com
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>>> <oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne
> >>>> Daigle via OSList
> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
> >>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
> >>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
> >>>> video chat?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello HO,
> >>>>
> >>>> NOW WHAT indeed!
> >>>>
> >>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling forth
> >>>> with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared utter
> loudly in
> >>>> public, most especially in professional contexts. Yet those feelings
> are
> >>>> undeniably there and I shall utter them as they happen. :-) So far
> I've
> >>>> survived speaking my mind... Even more it's blasted holes by opening
> more
> >>>> space that led to productive inspired work, in ways that made me
> happy I
> >>>> didn't keep my mouth shut. With guys and gals.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world. Beyond
> >>>> the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my physical
> house
> >>>> and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I know there is
> more to
> >>>> be invented there.
> >>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly partake
> >>>> in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
> wholeheartedly
> >>>> nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately see beyond the
> reaches of
> >>>> what I see.
> >>>>
> >>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty Martini
> >>>> in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?
> >>>>
> >>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space with
> >>>> all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it came my
> way!
> >>>>
> >>>> From a happy Florida camper,
> >>>> Suzanne
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > OK ? You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
> Your
> >>>> imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (?Today as I imagine the
> >>>> possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang
> out with
> >>>> family, friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the
> world, I
> >>>> know that this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in
> Egypt,
> >>>> Sharon Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.?)
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Suzanne ? This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
> >>>> since!!!! It?s called The Internet.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > NOW WHAT!
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > ho
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Winter Address
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 301-365-2093
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Summer Address
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Camden, ME 04843
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 207 763-3261
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Websites
> >>>> >
> >>>> > www.openspaceworld.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> > www.ho-image.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Suzanne Daigle via OSList
> >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
> >>>> >
> >>>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> >>>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
> >>>> video chat?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Dear Lucas and all,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once
> again
> >>>> how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are about
> creating
> >>>> virtual experiences for others and with others.  With the spirit and
> >>>> essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open Space
> >>>> events (Bren? Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro and Brian
> Burt)
> >>>> and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and Michael Herman)  last
> year
> >>>> and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben Roberts and others) with
> opportunities
> >>>> here and there to welcome colleagues.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
> >>>> experiencing of it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They Will
> >>>> Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or simplifying the
> >>>> mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go smooth in the virtual
> space.
> >>>> That is not my expertise or passion. It is the work of unsung heroes.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I wonder
> if
> >>>> we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle without talking
> about a
> >>>> circle (like sitting around a campfire, in the comfort of your living
> room
> >>>> or around your kitchen table)? Rather than breakouts, could we have
> rooms
> >>>> and corners where people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace
> wall,
> >>>> it could be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
> >>>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there, in
> which
> >>>> room. People would instantly think this is really cool and not a
> process
> >>>> thing.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
> >>>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We simply
> invite
> >>>> from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In those first moments
> of
> >>>> sitting in a circle, looking at the floor and the marketplace wall,
> it all
> >>>> seems so foreign to people who have never experienced OS before. Why
> then
> >>>> should we bring these concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have
> to
> >>>> counteract the familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the
> podium or
> >>>> a panel of speakers.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting and
> >>>> getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office or
> wherever.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of explaining
> it
> >>>> that invites a degree of freedom that feels different, open and fun.
> People
> >>>> might attribute it to "this is how it happens virtually" and in the
> process
> >>>> they would be living the law of two feet. We'd be communicating
> intent as
> >>>> we give the mechanics of how to move around.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me
> years
> >>>> ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be better than
> in
> >>>> person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I imagine the
> possibility of
> >>>>  a Virtual House where I could drop in to just hang out with family,
> >>>> friends, colleagues and Open Space pals, from around the world, I
> know that
> >>>> this possibility exists. To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt,
> Sharon
> >>>> Joy in Manila, Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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> >>>> > Suzanne Daigle
> >>>> > Open Space Facilitator
> >>>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
> >>>> >
> >>>> > FL 941-359-8877
> >>>> > Cell: 203-722-2009
> >>>> > www.nufocusgroup.com
> >>>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com
> >>>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
> >>>> >
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> >>>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> >>>> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Hi All,
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> >>>> online Open Space experience using video chat.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you
> >>>> might have a moment to think about what online OS experience would
> work
> >>>> best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > My...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > thoughts...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > are...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > down...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > below...
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Here are my rough thoughts:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
> >>>> following:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > where the opening circle is
> >>>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
> >>>> > who is in each virtual space right now
> >>>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
> >>>> marketplace / idea wall)
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available
> >>>> to all participants.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to
> >>>> speak.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step
> >>>> away for a moment").
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you
> >>>> have in mind!
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Lucas Cioffi
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Founder, QiqoChat
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Charlottesville, VA
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 07:05:34 +0100
> From: paul levy via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Lucas Cioffi <lucas at qiqochat.com>,  World wide Open Space
>         Technology email list   <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video
>         chat?
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> Lucas
>
> I wrote this a year ago but keep coming back to it. I go with the view that
> there is something else in the digital realm we've yet to invent. As things
> stand I feel concerned about what we are doing "online" especially in our
> attempts to transpose physical to digital via metaphors borrowed from the
> physical ...
>
> "After I nearly died my whole life flashed in front of me and then the
> image settled into an enormous tableau, like a tapestry I could step
> through.
>
> "Time became space and every moment of my life was there in crystal clarity
> - from my birth to my final moments, spread out in all directions around
> me.
>
> "Yet somehow I could also behold it all at the same time, in the same
> place. It was then I noticed the holes - frightening spaces in the picture,
> empty even of shadow. Utter nothingness.
>
> "I knew in that moment our tapestries are meant to be entire, to be
> complete. These were the holes when I was not present in my own waking
> life. These were little voids claimed by other influences on my attention.
> Some of the tears and holes in my life picture were tiny, some were huge.
> Yet I knew I needed the whole picture to move on properly.
>
> Then I realised it: These were the holes when I was texting, letting the
> infinite quality of my life be remade into ones and zeros that were never
> truly born of my being, the gestures I made, without actually caring or
> being there in my heart and mind. And these were spaces I could never
> easily fill again.
>
> "The picture unraveled like a tsunami then fractured. Voiceless I screamed,
> and awoke, sweating in my bed."
>
> Paul
>
> On Sunday, 28 August 2016, Lucas Cioffi via OSList <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the simplest
> > online Open Space experience using video chat.
> >
> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that you might
> > have a moment to think about what online OS experience would work best
> for
> > you, rather than letting my thoughts influence yours.
> >
> >
> >
> > My...
> >
> >
> > thoughts...
> >
> >
> > are...
> >
> >
> > down...
> >
> >
> > below...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here are my rough thoughts:
> >
> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
> following:
> >
> >    - where the opening circle is
> >    - how many virtual breakout spaces there are
> >    - who is in each virtual space right now
> >    - what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board /
> >    marketplace / idea wall)
> >
> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
> >
> > *Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:*
> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area available to
> > all participants.
> >
> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like to
> speak.
> >
> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to step away
> > for a moment").
> >
> > *Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what you have
> > in mind!*
> >
> > Lucas Cioffi
> > Founder, QiqoChat
> > Charlottesville, VA
> > Mobile: 917-528-1831
> >
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> From: Bhavesh Patel via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>
> To: Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com>,         World wide Open
> Space
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> Cc: Jan H?glund <blogg at janhoglund.eu>
> Subject: Re: [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online
>         gathering
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> ??Hi Michael,
>
> Yes I would agree that experiencing how clean language and clean coaching
> works is important, and then clean space as well. It is a bit like open
> space, some people just don't get it until they jump in and then in makes
> sense in the first minutes!
>
> The clean approach that I experienced really made sense to me because of my
> open space experience. Open space supports the force of self-organisation
> in groups, clean language supports the force of self-organisation in
> individuals.
>
> Let me try to explain my understanding of it. Normal coaching approaches
> are quite directive, like many facilitation processes. They involve a
> series of steps, usually starting with goal identification, and then
> questions are used as a way of controlling the process and therefore the
> person to some extent. There are times when this is useful, and other times
> when it is not.
>
> The clean approach recognises that we are deeply complex individuals with
> all sorts of stuff going on inside. We are influenced by so much internal
> and external stuff of which we are only slightly aware and out of all that
> comes that small part of reality that we are conscious of!!! So WHO KNOWS
> how it all works, we barely know ourselves... and then add to that all the
> cognitive science pattern detecting biases that we have.
>
> One way to work with a complex adaptive system called a person is to use
> symbolic language / metaphor. Words will never describe that deep complex
> reality of ourselves, however metaphors probably get the closest to
> expressing it because they can hold so much more than explicit descriptions
> can. Abstraction rather than explicitness may be much more important than
> we presently recognise when it comes to human learning.
>
> So the clean approach has 9 very light content free questions that provide
> just enough minimal structure to support a person work with their dynamic
> self-organising complexity through noticing their metaphorical landscape
> from which emerges self, meaning, and all else.
>
> Clean does not attempt to define a goal and reach an action plan like most
> coaching does. It starts wherever the client wants to start, and even
> starts wherever the client wants to sit down, and even how they want to sit
> down, if they want to! Once it starts the coach simply asks the relevant
> question from the 9, and then sees the response and then based on that asks
> the next question, and the client ends up wherever they end up by the end
> of the session.
>
> So if someone is wondering if you can use open space with one person in a
> coaching context, the clean approach gets close to it.
>
> As I said that is my take on it. Here is an article with the two people I
> spent 3 days with: http://www.cleanlanguage.co.uk/CleanLanguage.html
>
>
> Smiles Bhav...
>
>
> On 30 August 2016 at 21:37, Michael Herman via OSList <oslist at lists.
> openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> > thanks Jan and Bhavesh for the references to clean space.  i think i only
> > half-understand what it is or means or how it works.  maybe i will raise
> it
> > at the metaphorum event.  maybe i need to see it working.  i think i need
> > to discover the shape of mind that allows one to ask these questions and
> > have them feel/sound normal, rather than like a set of hoops to jump
> > through.  m
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Michael Herman
> > Michael Herman Associates
> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >
> > http://MichaelHerman.com
> > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 12:40 AM, Jan H?glund via OSList <
> > oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This is a sidetrack. Clean Language seems to be related to Clean Space.
> >>
> >> Found this...
> >>
> >> "The technology that came to be know as 'Clean Space' evolved alongside
> >> Clean Language. Space was no longer empty area. It had properties and
> >> peculiarities of its own. Physical space became psychoactive and therapy
> >> took a new dimension."
> >> ?Philip Harland, The Power of Six, p. 18.
> >>
> >> The Power of Six, by the way, seems to be simplicity itself (the exact
> >> wording varies depending on the situation):
> >>
> >> - What do you know? x 1
> >> - And what else do you know? x 5
> >> - And *now* what do you know? x 1
> >> - Repeat x 6 (or as needed)
> >>
> >> Jan, Sweden
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> To: michael at michaelherman.com; oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 12:12:49 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online
> >> gathering
> >> From: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
> >>
> >>
> >> Clean Language! Sounds a little suspect to me. But walking the talk, and
> >> talking the walk is definitely what it (real invitation) is all about.
> >> Doing all of that is not something you will learn in a ?facilitation?
> >> class. Actually, don?t even try. Find a native speaker.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ho
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Winter Address
> >>
> >> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> >>
> >> Potomac, MD 20854
> >>
> >> 301-365-2093
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Summer Address
> >>
> >> 189 Beaucauire Ave
> >>
> >> Camden, ME 04843
> >>
> >> 207 763-3261
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Websites
> >>
> >> www.openspaceworld.com
> >>
> >> www.ho-image.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On
> >> Behalf Of *Michael Herman via OSList
> >> *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2016 11:37 AM
> >> *To:* OSLIST
> >> *Subject:* [OSList] metaphorum: a clean language one-day online
> gathering
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> there's something interesting happening that some of us might want to
> >> join on september 9th.  i don't think it's been mentioned here yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> i first heard about "clean language" from harold shinsato.  it seems
> >> useful in our conversations with sponsors about invitations, to help us
> >> work with their story in their own words.  it'll be useful in other
> >> settings, too, like coaching.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> the event on the 9th is a 12-hour online gathering, i would say heavily
> >> informed by open space or maybe it's an experimental online adaptation
> of
> >> open space.  but come for the topic, the ideas and practice, and the
> >> learning, not for the process.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> here are the links where you can check it out.  i'm planning to
> >> participate in the window that will be daytime in chicago.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> what is the metaphorum online gathering?
> >>
> >> http://judyrees.co.uk/metaphorum-2016/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> what is clean language?
> >>
> >> http://judyrees.co.uk/what-is-clean-language-2/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Michael Herman
> >> Michael Herman Associates
> >>
> >> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://MichaelHerman.com
> >> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
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