[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
doug via OSList
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Wed Aug 31 14:39:47 PDT 2016
Michael--
You're right, not as scary. Think I have seen that traveling cart thing
before. Both are better than putting a computer on an empty chair.
Except for the cost.
I do like you point about what's a space? On the other hand, we still
miss the hugs!
:- Doug. Germann
On 08/31/2016 05:13 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> here's a link, doug... https://www.revolverobotics.com/get-kubi/
>
> i think you'll be disappointed in the scary department. it's really
> just a neck/stand for an ipad. so it's not much more spooky than
> television or other video. there's another version, scroll down on link
> above, so somebody can put their face on an ipad and roam the halls,
> knocking of office doors to chat and hanging out with folks at the water
> cooler.
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> Michael Herman
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:07 PM, doug <ost at footprintsinthewind.com
> <mailto:ost at footprintsinthewind.com>> wrote:
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> Michael--
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> Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and
> a little scary!
>
> :- Doug. Germann
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> On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
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> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
> This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
> different people sharing stories. All of their stories were
> accompanied
> by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
> topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
> dynamics. Would have been weird without some visuals to their
> stories
> of visualizations.
>
> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an
> ocean.
> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his
> examples,
> and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
> speakers on his laptop. He asked questions of the audience and
> got a
> show of hands. He was totally there.
>
> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds
> like to me
> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or
> could
> it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school
> gymnasium.
> Online in just another place. Wherever it happens, it's open space,
> right enough. You can search the archives for when Ralph
> Copleman had
> us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a
> beach.
>
> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two
> sessions on
> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the
> same team
> everyday. We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so
> online,
> via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> <http://sococo.com> and also
> using some little robot
>
> gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
> remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their
> head,
> nod, look up and down.
>
> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves
> in open
> space to just two. we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so
> on. we
> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
>
> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place. yes,
> some places are better for us than others. pillars are a
> hassle. so's
> not being able to see faces of other ppts. not being able to move
> myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
>
> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else. we need
> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
> gathering place. we need a way to see other ppts, their faces
> and their
> groupings in clusters of conversation. we need a way to wander
> around
> and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say
> hello. we
> need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
> somewhere. We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a
> question,
> but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right
> as it
> finishes. A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.
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> The onscreen view can be very simple. I'm wondering just now
> what it
> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
> needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map. That's a
> totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that.
> Zoom and
> Slide in a big online working space. Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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> Michael Herman
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> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still
> have face
> to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
> higher bandwidth.
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> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
>
> Peggy
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> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
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> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it
> happened, the
> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
> constituted major parts of the early community were all
> Techies of
> a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote
> code and
> others were more “eager participants” – that would
> include me. The
> new toy was Internet, which at the point we became
> involved was
> still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
> The world
> changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is
> pretty limp. ____
> __ __
> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
> possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they
> thought
> was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops
> and have
> everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen
> set on
> the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently
> packaged.
> They made their presentation, but their faces fell when
> I said,
> “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.” In fact,
> I believe
> they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to
> corporations
> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were
> too shy,
> or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
> __ __
> The iterations have continued over the years. You know
> the most
> recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired
> the energy
> and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really
> didn’t see
> much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at
> much less
> cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the
> shelf kinds
> of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an
> awful lot
> prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
> “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me
> that we
> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
> totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
> tenacity….____
> __ __
> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
> online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed
> odious –
> but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate
> making love. ____
> __ __
> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next?
> It’s wide
> open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I
> don’t
> think.____
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> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
> Online OS using
> video chat?____
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> Hello HO,____
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> NOW WHAT indeed!____
>
> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me
> bubbling
> forth with the feeling of "love", a word I would not
> have dared
> utter loudly in public, most especially in professional
> contexts.
> Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall
> utter them as
> they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my
> mind... Even
> more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
> productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
> didn't keep
> my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____
>
> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual
> world.
> Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted
> often in my
> physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of
> others, I
> know there is more to be invented there.
> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will
> gladly
> partake in the joy of this imagined future experience
> and I will
> wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who
> passionately
> see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____
>
> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a
> hearty
> Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I
> see?____
>
> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of
> Open Space
> with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am
> I that it
> came my way!____
>
> From a happy Florida camper,
> Suzanne____
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> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen"
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> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are
> right!! AND.
> Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I
> could drop in
> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
> Open Space
> pals, from around the world, I know that this
> possibility exists.
> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
> Manila,
> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time.
> Ever
> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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> > NOW WHAT!
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> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology
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> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
> Online OS using
> video chat?
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> > Dear Lucas and all,
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> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I
> realize once
> again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and
> others are
> about creating virtual experiences for others and with
> others.
> With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so
> very much!
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> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past
> virtual Open
> Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation -
> Maestro
> and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party
> (Lucas and
> Michael Herman) last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
> Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to
> welcome
> colleagues.
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> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
> experiencing of it.
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> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it
> and They
> Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
> simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all
> can go
> smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or
> passion.
> It is the work of unsung heroes.
> >
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> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka
> "simplify", I
> wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a
> circle
> without talking about a circle (like sitting around a
> campfire, in
> the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen
> table)?
> Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
> people can go hang out? Rather than a marketplace wall,
> it could
> be like going to a movie with a bill board that
> announces the
> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see
> who's there,
> in which room. People would instantly think this is
> really cool
> and not a process thing.
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> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk
> about Open
> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and
> stuff. We
> simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for
> meeting. In
> those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at
> the floor
> and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to
> people who
> have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
> bring these
> concepts into the virtual space? We don't have to
> counteract the
> familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the
> podium or a
> panel of speakers.
> >
> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome,
> connecting
> and getting things done from the comfort of our own home
> or office
> or wherever.
> >
> >
> >
> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
> explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
> different, open and fun. People might attribute it to
> "this is how
> it happens virtually" and in the process they would be
> living the
> law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
> mechanics of how to move around.
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> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts
> once told me
> years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings
> could be
> better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today
> as I
> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I
> could drop in
> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
> Open Space
> pals, from around the world, I know that this
> possibility exists.
> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
> Manila,
> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
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> > Hi All,
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> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would
> design the
> simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
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> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further
> down so that
> you might have a moment to think about what online OS
> experience
> would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts
> influence
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> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage. You
> can see the
> following:
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> > where the opening circle is
> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
> > who is in each virtual space right now
> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a
> bulletin board
> / marketplace / idea wall)
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> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your
> video chat.
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> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not
> necessary:
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> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
> available to all participants.
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> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that
> you'd like
> to speak.
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> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I
> have to
> step away for a moment").
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> > Thanks so much for any advice. I look forward to
> hearing what
> you have in mind!
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> >
> > Lucas Cioffi
> >
> > Founder, QiqoChat
> >
> > Charlottesville, VA
> >
> > Mobile: 917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>
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