[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

doug via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Aug 31 14:39:47 PDT 2016


Michael--

You're right, not as scary. Think I have seen that traveling cart thing 
before. Both are better than putting a computer on an empty chair. 
Except for the cost.

I do like you point about what's a space? On the other hand, we still 
miss the hugs!

:- Doug. Germann



On 08/31/2016 05:13 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> here's a link, doug... https://www.revolverobotics.com/get-kubi/
>
> i think you'll be disappointed in the scary department.  it's really
> just a neck/stand for an ipad.  so it's not much more spooky than
> television or other video.  there's another version, scroll down on link
> above, so somebody can put their face on an ipad and roam the halls,
> knocking of office doors to chat and hanging out with folks at the water
> cooler.
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> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
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> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:07 PM, doug <ost at footprintsinthewind.com
> <mailto:ost at footprintsinthewind.com>> wrote:
>
>     Michael--
>
>     Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and
>     a little scary!
>
>     :- Doug. Germann
>
>
>
>     On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
>
>         I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
>         affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
>         This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
>         different people sharing stories.  All of their stories were
>         accompanied
>         by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
>         topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
>         dynamics.  Would have been weird without some visuals to their
>         stories
>         of visualizations.
>
>         The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an
>         ocean.
>         He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his
>         examples,
>         and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
>         speakers on his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and
>         got a
>         show of hands.  He was totally there.
>
>         So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds
>         like to me
>         a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or
>         could
>         it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school
>         gymnasium.
>         Online in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space,
>         right enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph
>         Copleman had
>         us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a
>         beach.
>
>         In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two
>         sessions on
>         distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the
>         same team
>         everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so
>         online,
>         via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> <http://sococo.com> and also
>         using some little robot
>
>         gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
>         remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their
>         head,
>         nod, look up and down.
>
>         in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves
>         in open
>         space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so
>         on.  we
>         decided the two essentials were people and a story.
>
>         so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
>         some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a
>         hassle.  so's
>         not being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move
>         myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
>
>         what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
>         people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
>         gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces
>         and their
>         groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander
>         around
>         and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say
>         hello.  we
>         need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
>         somewhere.  We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a
>         question,
>         but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right
>         as it
>         finishes.  A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.
>
>         The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now
>         what it
>         would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
>         needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a
>         totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that.
>         Zoom and
>         Slide in a big online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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>         Michael Herman
>         Michael Herman Associates
>         312-280-7838 <tel:312-280-7838> (mobile)
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>         On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
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>             Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still
>         have face
>             to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
>             higher bandwidth.
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>             Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
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>                 On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
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>                 The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it
>             happened, the
>                 folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
>                 constituted major parts of the early community were all
>             Techies of
>                 a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote
>             code and
>                 others were more “eager participants” – that would
>             include me. The
>                 new toy was Internet, which at the point we became
>             involved was
>                 still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET.
>             The world
>                 changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is
>             pretty limp. ____
>                 __ __
>                 Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
>                 possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they
>             thought
>                 was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops
>             and have
>                 everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen
>             set on
>                 the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently
>             packaged.
>                 They made their presentation, but their faces fell when
>             I said,
>                 “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact,
>             I believe
>                 they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to
>             corporations
>                 who were (had been) convinced that their executives were
>             too shy,
>                 or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
>                 __ __
>                 The iterations have continued over the years. You know
>             the most
>                 recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired
>             the energy
>                 and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really
>             didn’t see
>                 much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at
>             much less
>                 cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the
>             shelf kinds
>                 of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an
>             awful lot
>                 prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
>                 “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me
>             that we
>                 were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
>                 totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
>                 tenacity….____
>                 __ __
>                 Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
>                 online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed
>             odious –
>                 but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate
>             making love. ____
>                 __ __
>                 So I guess I am back to where I started – What next?
>             It’s wide
>                 open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I
>             don’t
>                 think.____
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>                 *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
>             Online OS using
>                 video chat?____
>                 __ __
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>                 Hello HO,____
>
>                 NOW WHAT indeed!____
>
>                 No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me
>             bubbling
>                 forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not
>             have dared
>                 utter loudly in public, most especially in professional
>             contexts.
>                 Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall
>             utter them as
>                 they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my
>             mind... Even
>                 more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
>                 productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I
>             didn't keep
>                 my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____
>
>                 Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual
>             world.
>                 Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted
>             often in my
>                 physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of
>             others, I
>                 know there is more to be invented there.
>                 While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will
>             gladly
>                 partake in the joy of this imagined future experience
>             and I will
>                 wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who
>             passionately
>                 see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____
>
>                 So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a
>             hearty
>                 Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I
>             see?____
>
>                 After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of
>             Open Space
>                 with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am
>             I that it
>                 came my way!____
>
>                 From a happy Florida camper,
>                 Suzanne____
>
>                 On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen"
>             <hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>
>                 <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>>>
>             wrote:
>                 >
>                 > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are
>             right!! AND.
>                 Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
>                 imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I
>             could drop in
>                 to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
>             Open Space
>                 pals, from around the world, I know that this
>             possibility exists.
>                 To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
>             Manila,
>                 Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
>                 >
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>                 > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time.
>             Ever
>                 since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>                 > NOW WHAT!
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>                 Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>                 > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
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>                 > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology
>             email list
>                 > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for
>             Online OS using
>                 video chat?
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > Dear Lucas and all,
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I
>             realize once
>                 again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and
>             others are
>                 about creating virtual experiences for others and with
>             others.
>                 With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so
>             very much!
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past
>             virtual Open
>                 Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation -
>             Maestro
>                 and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party
>             (Lucas and
>                 Michael Herman)  last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
>                 Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to
>             welcome
>                 colleagues.
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>                 > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
>                 experiencing of it.
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>                 > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it
>             and They
>                 Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
>                 simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all
>             can go
>                 smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or
>             passion.
>                 It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>                 > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka
>             "simplify", I
>                 wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a
>             circle
>                 without talking about a circle (like sitting around a
>             campfire, in
>                 the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen
>             table)?
>                 Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
>                 people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall,
>             it could
>                 be like going to a movie with a bill board that
>             announces the
>                 movies that are playing. Then of course you could see
>             who's there,
>                 in which room. People would instantly think this is
>             really cool
>                 and not a process thing.
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk
>             about Open
>                 Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and
>             stuff.  We
>                 simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for
>             meeting. In
>                 those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at
>             the floor
>                 and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to
>             people who
>                 have never experienced OS before. Why then should we
>             bring these
>                 concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to
>             counteract the
>                 familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the
>             podium or a
>                 panel of speakers.
>                 >
>                 > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome,
>             connecting
>                 and getting things done from the comfort of our own home
>             or office
>                 or wherever.
>                 >
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>                 > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
>                 explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
>                 different, open and fun. People might attribute it to
>             "this is how
>                 it happens virtually" and in the process they would be
>             living the
>                 law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
>                 mechanics of how to move around.
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>                 > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts
>             once told me
>                 years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings
>             could be
>                 better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today
>             as I
>                 imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I
>             could drop in
>                 to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and
>             Open Space
>                 pals, from around the world, I know that this
>             possibility exists.
>                 To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in
>             Manila,
>                 Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>                 > Suzanne Daigle
>                 > Open Space Facilitator
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>                 > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>                 <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
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>                 > Hi All,
>                 >
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>                 > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would
>             design the
>                 simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
>                 >
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>                 > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further
>             down so that
>                 you might have a moment to think about what online OS
>             experience
>                 would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts
>             influence
>                 yours.
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>                 > Here are my rough thoughts:
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>                 > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You
>             can see the
>                 following:
>                 >
>                 > where the opening circle is
>                 > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>                 > who is in each virtual space right now
>                 > what is being discussed now and in the future (a
>             bulletin board
>                 / marketplace / idea wall)
>                 >
>                 > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your
>             video chat.
>                 >
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > Note: The following features seem helpful but not
>             necessary:
>                 >
>                 > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
>                 available to all participants.
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>                 > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that
>             you'd like
>                 to speak.
>                 >
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>                 > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I
>             have to
>                 step away for a moment").
>                 >
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>                 > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to
>             hearing what
>                 you have in mind!
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > Lucas Cioffi
>                 >
>                 > Founder, QiqoChat
>                 >
>                 > Charlottesville, VA
>                 >
>                 > Mobile: 917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>
>             <tel:917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>>
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