[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
Michael Herman via OSList
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Aug 31 14:13:48 PDT 2016
here's a link, doug... https://www.revolverobotics.com/get-kubi/
i think you'll be disappointed in the scary department. it's really just a
neck/stand for an ipad. so it's not much more spooky than television or
other video. there's another version, scroll down on link above, so
somebody can put their face on an ipad and roam the halls, knocking of
office doors to chat and hanging out with folks at the water cooler.
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Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)
http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:07 PM, doug <ost at footprintsinthewind.com> wrote:
> Michael--
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> Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and a
> little scary!
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> :- Doug. Germann
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> On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
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>> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
>> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
>> This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
>> different people sharing stories. All of their stories were accompanied
>> by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
>> topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
>> dynamics. Would have been weird without some visuals to their stories
>> of visualizations.
>>
>> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
>> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples,
>> and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
>> speakers on his laptop. He asked questions of the audience and got a
>> show of hands. He was totally there.
>>
>> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
>> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could
>> it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.
>> Online in just another place. Wherever it happens, it's open space,
>> right enough. You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had
>> us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
>>
>> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
>> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
>> everyday. We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online,
>> via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> and also using some little robot
>>
>> gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
>> remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their head,
>> nod, look up and down.
>>
>> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
>> space to just two. we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on. we
>> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
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>> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place. yes,
>> some places are better for us than others. pillars are a hassle. so's
>> not being able to see faces of other ppts. not being able to move
>> myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
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>> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else. we need
>> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
>> gathering place. we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
>> groupings in clusters of conversation. we need a way to wander around
>> and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello. we
>> need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
>> somewhere. We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question,
>> but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it
>> finishes. A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.
>>
>> The onscreen view can be very simple. I'm wondering just now what it
>> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
>> needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map. That's a
>> totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that. Zoom and
>> Slide in a big online working space. Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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>> --
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>> Michael Herman
>> Michael Herman Associates
>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
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>> http://MichaelHerman.com
>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
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>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
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>> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face
>> to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
>> higher bandwidth.
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>> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
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>> Peggy
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>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
>>> constituted major parts of the early community were all Techies of
>>> a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote code and
>>> others were more “eager participants” – that would include me. The
>>> new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was
>>> still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world
>>> changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. ____
>>> __ __
>>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
>>> possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
>>> was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
>>> everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
>>> the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
>>> They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
>>> “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.” In fact, I believe
>>> they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
>>> or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
>>> __ __
>>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know the most
>>> recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
>>> and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
>>> much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
>>> cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
>>> of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
>>> prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
>>> “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
>>> totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
>>> tenacity….____
>>> __ __
>>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
>>> online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
>>> but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. ____
>>> __ __
>>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide
>>> open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
>>> think.____
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>>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>> video chat?____
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>>> Hello HO,____
>>>
>>> NOW WHAT indeed!____
>>>
>>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling
>>> forth with the feeling of "love", a word I would not have dared
>>> utter loudly in public, most especially in professional contexts.
>>> Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall utter them as
>>> they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my mind... Even
>>> more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
>>> productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep
>>> my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____
>>>
>>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world.
>>> Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my
>>> physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I
>>> know there is more to be invented there.
>>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly
>>> partake in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
>>> wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately
>>> see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____
>>>
>>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty
>>> Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?____
>>>
>>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space
>>> with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it
>>> came my way!____
>>>
>>> From a happy Florida camper,
>>> Suzanne____
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
>>> Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
>>> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I could drop in
>>> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>>> pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>>> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>>> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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>>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>>> > NOW WHAT!
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>>> > ho
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>>> > Winter Address
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>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
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>>> > Potomac, MD 20854
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>>> > 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>
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>>> > Summer Address
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>>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
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>>> > Camden, ME 04843
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>>> > 207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261>
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>>> > Websites
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>>> > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
>>> >
>>> > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
>>> >
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>>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
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>>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of
>>> Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
>>> >
>>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>> video chat?
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>>> > Dear Lucas and all,
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>>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once
>>> again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are
>>> about creating virtual experiences for others and with others.
>>> With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open
>>> Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro
>>> and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and
>>> Michael Herman) last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
>>> Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to welcome
>>> colleagues.
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>>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
>>> experiencing of it.
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>>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They
>>> Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
>>> simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go
>>> smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or passion.
>>> It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I
>>> wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle
>>> without talking about a circle (like sitting around a campfire, in
>>> the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen table)?
>>> Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
>>> people can go hang out? Rather than a marketplace wall, it could
>>> be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there,
>>> in which room. People would instantly think this is really cool
>>> and not a process thing.
>>> >
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>>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff. We
>>> simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In
>>> those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at the floor
>>> and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to people who
>>> have never experienced OS before. Why then should we bring these
>>> concepts into the virtual space? We don't have to counteract the
>>> familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a
>>> panel of speakers.
>>> >
>>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting
>>> and getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office
>>> or wherever.
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
>>> explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
>>> different, open and fun. People might attribute it to "this is how
>>> it happens virtually" and in the process they would be living the
>>> law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
>>> mechanics of how to move around.
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>>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me
>>> years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be
>>> better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I
>>> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I could drop in
>>> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>>> pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>>> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>>> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>>> > Suzanne
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>>> > Suzanne Daigle
>>> > Open Space Facilitator
>>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
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>>> > FL 941-359-8877 <tel:941-359-8877>
>>> > Cell: 203-722-2009 <tel:203-722-2009>
>>> > www.nufocusgroup.com <http://www.nufocusgroup.com/>
>>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com <mailto:s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com>
>>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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>>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>>> > Hi All,
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>>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the
>>> simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that
>>> you might have a moment to think about what online OS experience
>>> would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence
>>> yours.
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>>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage. You can see the
>>> following:
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>>> > where the opening circle is
>>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>> > who is in each virtual space right now
>>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board
>>> / marketplace / idea wall)
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>>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
>>> available to all participants.
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>>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like
>>> to speak.
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>>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to
>>> step away for a moment").
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>>> > Thanks so much for any advice. I look forward to hearing what
>>> you have in mind!
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>>> >
>>> > Lucas Cioffi
>>> >
>>> > Founder, QiqoChat
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>>> > Charlottesville, VA
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>>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>
>>> >
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