[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?
doug via OSList
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Wed Aug 31 14:07:13 PDT 2016
Michael--
Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and a
little scary!
:- Doug. Germann
On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
> This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
> different people sharing stories. All of their stories were accompanied
> by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
> topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
> dynamics. Would have been weird without some visuals to their stories
> of visualizations.
>
> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples,
> and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
> speakers on his laptop. He asked questions of the audience and got a
> show of hands. He was totally there.
>
> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could
> it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.
> Online in just another place. Wherever it happens, it's open space,
> right enough. You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had
> us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
>
> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
> everyday. We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online,
> via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> and also using some little robot
> gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
> remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their head,
> nod, look up and down.
>
> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
> space to just two. we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on. we
> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
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> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place. yes,
> some places are better for us than others. pillars are a hassle. so's
> not being able to see faces of other ppts. not being able to move
> myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
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> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else. we need
> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
> gathering place. we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
> groupings in clusters of conversation. we need a way to wander around
> and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello. we
> need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
> somewhere. We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question,
> but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it
> finishes. A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.
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> The onscreen view can be very simple. I'm wondering just now what it
> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
> needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map. That's a
> totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that. Zoom and
> Slide in a big online working space. Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
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> Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face
> to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
> higher bandwidth.
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> Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
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> Peggy
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>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>> The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>> folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
>> constituted major parts of the early community were all Techies of
>> a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote code and
>> others were more “eager participants” – that would include me. The
>> new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was
>> still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world
>> changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. ____
>> __ __
>> Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
>> possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
>> was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
>> everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
>> the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
>> They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
>> “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.” In fact, I believe
>> they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>> who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
>> or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
>> __ __
>> The iterations have continued over the years. You know the most
>> recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
>> and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
>> much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
>> cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
>> of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
>> prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
>> “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>> were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
>> totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
>> tenacity….____
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>> Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
>> online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
>> but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. ____
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>> So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide
>> open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
>> think.____
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>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf
>> Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>> *To:* Harrison Owen
>> *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>> video chat?____
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>> Hello HO,____
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>> NOW WHAT indeed!____
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>> No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling
>> forth with the feeling of "love", a word I would not have dared
>> utter loudly in public, most especially in professional contexts.
>> Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall utter them as
>> they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my mind... Even
>> more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
>> productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep
>> my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____
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>> Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world.
>> Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my
>> physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I
>> know there is more to be invented there.
>> While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly
>> partake in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
>> wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately
>> see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____
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>> So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty
>> Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?____
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>> After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space
>> with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it
>> came my way!____
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>> From a happy Florida camper,
>> Suzanne____
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>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>> > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
>> Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
>> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I could drop in
>> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>> pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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>> > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>> since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>> > Winter Address
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>> > Websites
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>> > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/>
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>> > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/>
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>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of
>> Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
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>> > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>> video chat?
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>> > Dear Lucas and all,
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>> > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once
>> again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are
>> about creating virtual experiences for others and with others.
>> With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>> > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open
>> Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro
>> and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and
>> Michael Herman) last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
>> Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to welcome
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>> > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
>> experiencing of it.
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>> > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They
>> Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
>> simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go
>> smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or passion.
>> It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>> > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I
>> wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle
>> without talking about a circle (like sitting around a campfire, in
>> the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen table)?
>> Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
>> people can go hang out? Rather than a marketplace wall, it could
>> be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>> movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there,
>> in which room. People would instantly think this is really cool
>> and not a process thing.
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>> > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>> Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff. We
>> simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In
>> those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at the floor
>> and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to people who
>> have never experienced OS before. Why then should we bring these
>> concepts into the virtual space? We don't have to counteract the
>> familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a
>> panel of speakers.
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>> > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting
>> and getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office
>> or wherever.
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>> > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
>> explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
>> different, open and fun. People might attribute it to "this is how
>> it happens virtually" and in the process they would be living the
>> law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
>> mechanics of how to move around.
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>> > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me
>> years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be
>> better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I
>> imagine the possibility of a Virtual House where I could drop in
>> to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>> pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>> To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>> Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>> > Suzanne Daigle
>> > Open Space Facilitator
>> > NuFocus Strategic Group
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>> > FL 941-359-8877 <tel:941-359-8877>
>> > Cell: 203-722-2009 <tel:203-722-2009>
>> > www.nufocusgroup.com <http://www.nufocusgroup.com/>
>> > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com <mailto:s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com>
>> > Twitter @Daiglesuz
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>> > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>> > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the
>> simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>> > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that
>> you might have a moment to think about what online OS experience
>> would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence
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>> > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage. You can see the
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>> > where the opening circle is
>> > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>> > who is in each virtual space right now
>> > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board
>> / marketplace / idea wall)
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>> > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>> > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>> > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
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>> > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like
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>> > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to
>> step away for a moment").
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>> > Thanks so much for any advice. I look forward to hearing what
>> you have in mind!
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>> > Lucas Cioffi
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>> > Founder, QiqoChat
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>> > Charlottesville, VA
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>> > Mobile: 917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>
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