[OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using video chat?

doug via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Aug 31 14:07:13 PDT 2016


Michael--

Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and a 
little scary!

:- Doug. Germann



On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
> I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
> affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
> This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
> different people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied
> by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
> topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
> dynamics.  Would have been weird without some visuals to their stories
> of visualizations.
>
> The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
> He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples,
> and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
> speakers on his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a
> show of hands.  He was totally there.
>
> So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
> a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could
> it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.
> Online in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space,
> right enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had
> us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.
>
> In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
> distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
> everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online,
> via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> and also using some little robot
> gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
> remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their head,
> nod, look up and down.
>
> in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
> space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.  we
> decided the two essentials were people and a story.
>
> so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
> some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.  so's
> not being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move
> myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.
>
> what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
> people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
> gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
> groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around
> and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we
> need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
> somewhere.  We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question,
> but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it
> finishes.  A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.
>
> The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
> would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
> needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a
> totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and
> Slide in a big online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?
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> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
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>     Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face
>     to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
>     higher bandwidth.
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>     Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.
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>     Peggy
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>>     On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
>>     <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>     <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>>     The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
>>     folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
>>     constituted major parts of the early community were all Techies of
>>     a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote code and
>>     others were more “eager participants” – that would include me. The
>>     new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was
>>     still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world
>>     changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. ____
>>     __ __
>>     Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
>>     possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
>>     was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
>>     everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
>>     the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
>>     They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
>>     “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe
>>     they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
>>     who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
>>     or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
>>     __ __
>>     The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most
>>     recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
>>     and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
>>     much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
>>     cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
>>     of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
>>     prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
>>     “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
>>     were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
>>     totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
>>     tenacity….____
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>>     Somehow, the attempt to “replicate the Open Space experience
>>     online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
>>     but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. ____
>>     __ __
>>     So I guess I am back to where I started – What next? It’s wide
>>     open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
>>     think.____
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>>     <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] *On Behalf
>>     Of *Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 6:06 PM
>>     *To:* Harrison Owen
>>     *Cc:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>     *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>     video chat?____
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>>     Hello HO,____
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>>     NOW WHAT indeed!____
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>>     No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling
>>     forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared
>>     utter loudly in public, most especially in professional contexts.
>>     Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall utter them as
>>     they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my mind... Even
>>     more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
>>     productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep
>>     my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____
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>>     Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world.
>>     Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my
>>     physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I
>>     know there is more to be invented there.
>>     While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly
>>     partake in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
>>     wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately
>>     see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____
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>>     So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty
>>     Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?____
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>>     After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space
>>     with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it
>>     came my way!____
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>>     From a happy Florida camper,
>>     Suzanne____
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>>     On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net
>>     <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>>     > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
>>     Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
>>     imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in
>>     to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>>     pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>>     To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>>     Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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>>     > Suzanne – This is what we do. Every day. All the time. Ever
>>     since!!!! It’s called The Internet.
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>>     > NOW WHAT!
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>>     <mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of
>>     Suzanne Daigle via OSList
>>     > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:07 PM
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>>     > To: Lucas Cioffi; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>     > Subject: Re: [OSList] What is the sweet spot for Online OS using
>>     video chat?
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>>     > Dear Lucas and all,
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>>     > As you pose your question and I saw the replies, I realize once
>>     again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are
>>     about creating virtual experiences for others and with others.
>>     With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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>>     > In seeing your names, I relived the magic of past virtual Open
>>     Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro
>>     and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and
>>     Michael Herman)  last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
>>     Roberts and others) with opportunities here and there to welcome
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>>     > None perfect but all exhilarating in the trailblazing and
>>     experiencing of it.
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>>     > Lucas I share your "Field of Dream Passion - Build it and They
>>     Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
>>     simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go
>>     smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or passion.
>>     It is the work of unsung heroes.
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>>     > If I was to focus on your word "simplest" aka "simplify", I
>>     wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle
>>     without talking about a circle (like sitting around a campfire, in
>>     the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen table)?
>>     Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
>>     people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall, it could
>>     be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
>>     movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there,
>>     in which room. People would instantly think this is really cool
>>     and not a process thing.
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>>     > We know that Open Space works best when we don't talk about Open
>>     Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We
>>     simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In
>>     those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at the floor
>>     and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to people who
>>     have never experienced OS before. Why then should we bring these
>>     concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract the
>>     familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a
>>     panel of speakers.
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>>     > We can create brand new space - a space of welcome, connecting
>>     and getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office
>>     or wherever.
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>>     > For each element of Open Space, there could be a way of
>>     explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
>>     different, open and fun. People might attribute it to "this is how
>>     it happens virtually" and in the process they would be living the
>>     law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
>>     mechanics of how to move around.
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>>     > I'm sorry if I got a bit carried away. Ben Roberts once told me
>>     years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be
>>     better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I
>>     imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in
>>     to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
>>     pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
>>     To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
>>     Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.
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>>     > Suzanne Daigle
>>     > Open Space Facilitator
>>     > NuFocus Strategic Group
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>>     > Cell: 203-722-2009 <tel:203-722-2009>
>>     > www.nufocusgroup.com <http://www.nufocusgroup.com/>
>>     > s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com <mailto:s.daigle at nufocusgroup.com>
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>>     > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Lucas Cioffi via OSList
>>     <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>     <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
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>>     > Hi All,
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>>     > I would be super-excited to hear how folks would design the
>>     simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
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>>     > I posted my thoughts below, but I put them further down so that
>>     you might have a moment to think about what online OS experience
>>     would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence
>>     yours.
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>>     > 1. When the event begins you open up a webpage.  You can see the
>>     following:
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>>     > where the opening circle is
>>     > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
>>     > who is in each virtual space right now
>>     > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board
>>     / marketplace / idea wall)
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>>     > 2. Next you choose to enter a space by turning on your video chat.
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>>     > Note: The following features seem helpful but not necessary:
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>>     > 3. When you arrive in a space, you see a shared notes area
>>     available to all participants.
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>>     > 4. There is a way to raise your hand to indicate that you'd like
>>     to speak.
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>>     > 5. There is a way to share a quick message such as ("I have to
>>     step away for a moment").
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>>     > Thanks so much for any advice.  I look forward to hearing what
>>     you have in mind!
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>>     > Lucas Cioffi
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>>     > Founder, QiqoChat
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>>     > Charlottesville, VA
>>     >
>>     > Mobile: 917-528-1831 <tel:917-528-1831>
>>     >
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