[OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Aug 24 08:33:12 PDT 2016


Beautiful... and we aint in a poetry contest, or what?
Them critters pop up whenever it pleases them...
Whatever happens its the only thing that could have

mmp

On 24.08.2016 17:25, Toke Møller wrote:
> Ah some poetry……
>
> :)
>
> Open space….yesterday - today and tomorrow......
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> What is it ? what is it ?
>
> to go to the center
> and then leave it
> open
>
> to sit at the rim
> enjoying
> - the space
> - the place
> - the now
>
> what touches my heart ?
> so deep and free
> to let myself and others
> so spaciously
> free
> to be ?
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>> On 24. aug. 2016, at 17.15, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
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>> How would it do in our poetry contest?
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>> mmp
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>> On 24.08.2016 16:54, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>>> Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
>>> pure form is like a beautiful
>>>
>>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
>>>
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>>> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
>>> Of *paul levy via OSList
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM
>>> *To:* Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
>>> space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
>>> control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
>>> space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
>>> we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
>>> over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
>>> facilitation to it).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
>>> or selves are doing the organising.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
>>>
>>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm wishes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Levy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
>>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>>> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
>>> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
>>> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
>>> down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
>>> and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
>>> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
>>> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
>>> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
>>> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original
>>> format.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
>>> some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
>>> peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2 cents
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>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList
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>>> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
>>> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
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>>>    On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList
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>>>
>>>    Martin,
>>>
>>>    I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
>>>    over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
>>>
>>>    Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
>>>    say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
>>>    got them backwards…(oops)
>>>
>>>    :o)
>>>
>>>    Eva
>>>
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>>>        23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList
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>>>
>>>        Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
>>>
>>>        Dear friends,
>>>        Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
>>>        BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
>>>        and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
>>>        between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
>>>        explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
>>>        pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>>>        less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
>>>        about it?
>>>        :o)
>>>
>>>
>>>        I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
>>>        believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
>>>        before. :)
>>>
>>>        To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
>>>        different.
>>>        (This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
>>>        in the
>>>        last 4 years.)
>>>
>>>        * No circle at the beginning
>>>        * A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
>>>        things
>>>        start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc
>>> etc)
>>>        * When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to
>>> gauge
>>>        interest.
>>>        * The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
>>>        announcing
>>>        your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
>>>        * and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
>>>        don't
>>>        get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
>>>        * Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
>>>        before things
>>>        start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
>>>        BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
>>>        * Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
>>>        YOU GET
>>>        TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
>>>        talking about
>>>        how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
>>>        * Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
>>>        AMAZING it is.
>>>        * There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what
>>> gets
>>>        posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
>>>        attended, not
>>>        a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
>>>        * "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
>>>
>>>        One a more serious note:
>>>        Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
>>>        often used
>>>        for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
>>>        events":
>>>        In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
>>>        way to
>>>        save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
>>>        eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
>>>        whereas OST
>>>        functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
>>>        thing. Or so.
>>>
>>>        Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
>>>        something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
>>>        it?" I
>>>        get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
>>>        in Open
>>>        Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
>>>
>>>        YMMV.
>>>
>>>        Martin
>>>
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