[OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
Toke Møller via OSList
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Wed Aug 24 08:25:31 PDT 2016
Ah some poetry……
:)
Open space….yesterday - today and tomorrow......
What is it ? what is it ?
to go to the center
and then leave it
open
to sit at the rim
enjoying
- the space
- the place
- the now
what touches my heart ?
so deep and free
to let myself and others
so spaciously
free
to be ?
Toke
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> On 24. aug. 2016, at 17.15, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
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> How would it do in our poetry contest?
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> mmp
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> On 24.08.2016 16:54, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>> Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
>> pure form is like a beautiful
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>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
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>> Of *paul levy via OSList
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM
>> *To:* Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
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>> Dear all
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>> Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
>> space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
>> control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
>> space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
>> we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
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>> OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
>> over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
>> facilitation to it).
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>> Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
>> or selves are doing the organising.
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>> Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
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>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
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>> Warm wishes
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>> Paul Levy
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>> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
>> <oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist at lists.openspacetech.org>>>
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>> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
>> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
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>> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
>> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
>> down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
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>> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
>> and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
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>> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
>> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
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>> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
>> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
>> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
>> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.
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>> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
>> some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
>> peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
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>> My 2 cents
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>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList
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>> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
>> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
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>> On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList
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>> Martin,
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>> I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
>> over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
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>> Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
>> say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
>> got them backwards…(oops)
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>> :o)
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>> 23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList
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>> Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
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>> Dear friends,
>> Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
>> BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
>> and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
>> between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
>> explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
>> pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
>> about it?
>> :o)
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>> I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
>> believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
>> before. :)
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>> To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
>> different.
>> (This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
>> in the
>> last 4 years.)
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>> * No circle at the beginning
>> * A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
>> things
>> start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc etc)
>> * When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to gauge
>> interest.
>> * The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
>> announcing
>> your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
>> * and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
>> don't
>> get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
>> * Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
>> before things
>> start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
>> BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
>> * Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
>> YOU GET
>> TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
>> talking about
>> how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
>> * Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
>> AMAZING it is.
>> * There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what gets
>> posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
>> attended, not
>> a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
>> * "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
>>
>> One a more serious note:
>> Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
>> often used
>> for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
>> events":
>> In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
>> way to
>> save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
>> eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
>> whereas OST
>> functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
>> thing. Or so.
>>
>> Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
>> something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
>> it?" I
>> get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
>> in Open
>> Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Martin
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