[OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
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> On 24. aug. 2016, at 17.33, Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannwitz at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Beautiful... and we aint in a poetry contest, or what?
> Them critters pop up whenever it pleases them...
> Whatever happens its the only thing that could have
>
> mmp
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>> On 24.08.2016 17:25, Toke Møller wrote:
>> Ah some poetry……
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Open space….yesterday - today and tomorrow......
>>
>>
>> What is it ? what is it ?
>>
>> to go to the center
>> and then leave it
>> open
>>
>> to sit at the rim
>> enjoying
>> - the space
>> - the place
>> - the now
>>
>> what touches my heart ?
>> so deep and free
>> to let myself and others
>> so spaciously
>> free
>> to be ?
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>>> On 24. aug. 2016, at 17.15, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
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>>> How would it do in our poetry contest?
>>>
>>> mmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 24.08.2016 16:54, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>>>> Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
>>>> pure form is like a beautiful
>>>>
>>>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>>>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
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>>>> *From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *paul levy via OSList
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM
>>>> *To:* Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
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>>>>
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
>>>> space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
>>>> control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
>>>> space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
>>>> we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
>>>> over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
>>>> facilitation to it).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
>>>> or selves are doing the organising.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
>>>>
>>>> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
>>>> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warm wishes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul Levy
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>>>> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
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>>>> wrote:
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>>>> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
>>>> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
>>>> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
>>>> down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
>>>> and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
>>>> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
>>>> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
>>>> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
>>>> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original
>>>> format.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
>>>> some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
>>>> peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This ain't Open Space!
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>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList
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>>>> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
>>>> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Amanda
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>>>> On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList
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>>>>
>>>> Martin,
>>>>
>>>> I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
>>>> over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
>>>> say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
>>>> got them backwards…(oops)
>>>>
>>>> :o)
>>>>
>>>> Eva
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>>>> 23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList
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>>>> Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear friends,
>>>> Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
>>>> BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
>>>> and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
>>>> between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
>>>> explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
>>>> pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>>>> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
>>>> about it?
>>>> :o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
>>>> believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
>>>> before. :)
>>>>
>>>> To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
>>>> different.
>>>> (This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
>>>> in the
>>>> last 4 years.)
>>>>
>>>> * No circle at the beginning
>>>> * A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
>>>> things
>>>> start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc
>>>> etc)
>>>> * When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to
>>>> gauge
>>>> interest.
>>>> * The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
>>>> announcing
>>>> your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
>>>> * and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
>>>> don't
>>>> get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
>>>> * Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
>>>> before things
>>>> start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
>>>> BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
>>>> * Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
>>>> YOU GET
>>>> TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
>>>> talking about
>>>> how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
>>>> * Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
>>>> AMAZING it is.
>>>> * There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what
>>>> gets
>>>> posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
>>>> attended, not
>>>> a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
>>>> * "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
>>>>
>>>> One a more serious note:
>>>> Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
>>>> often used
>>>> for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
>>>> events":
>>>> In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
>>>> way to
>>>> save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
>>>> eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
>>>> whereas OST
>>>> functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
>>>> thing. Or so.
>>>>
>>>> Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
>>>> something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
>>>> it?" I
>>>> get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
>>>> in Open
>>>> Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
>>>>
>>>> YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
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