[OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
Michael M Pannwitz via OSList
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Wed Aug 24 08:15:45 PDT 2016
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On 24.08.2016 16:54, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
> Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
> pure form is like a beautiful
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> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
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> *To:* Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
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> Dear all
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> Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
> space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
> control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
> space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
> we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
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> OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
> over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
> facilitation to it).
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> Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
> or selves are doing the organising.
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> Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
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> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
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> Warm wishes
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> Paul Levy
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> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
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> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
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> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
> down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
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> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
> and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
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> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
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> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.
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> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
> some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
> peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
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> My 2 cents
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList
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> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
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> On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList
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> Martin,
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> I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
> over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
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> Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
> say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
> got them backwards…(oops)
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> :o)
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> Eva
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> 23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList
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> Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
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> Dear friends,
> Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
> BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
> and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
> between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
> explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
> pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
> about it?
> :o)
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> I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
> believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
> before. :)
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> To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
> different.
> (This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
> in the
> last 4 years.)
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> * No circle at the beginning
> * A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
> things
> start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc etc)
> * When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to gauge
> interest.
> * The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
> announcing
> your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
> * and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
> don't
> get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
> * Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
> before things
> start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
> BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
> * Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
> YOU GET
> TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
> talking about
> how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
> * Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
> AMAZING it is.
> * There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what gets
> posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
> attended, not
> a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
> * "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
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> One a more serious note:
> Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
> often used
> for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
> events":
> In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
> way to
> save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
> eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
> whereas OST
> functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
> thing. Or so.
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> Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
> something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
> it?" I
> get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
> in Open
> Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
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> YMMV.
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> Martin
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