[OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

Michael M Pannwitz via OSList oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
Wed Aug 24 08:15:45 PDT 2016


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On 24.08.2016 16:54, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
> Who says the Brits don’t have a sense of humor? “Self-Organizing in a
> pure form is like a beautiful
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> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.” – Or is this poetry?
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2016 7:43 AM
> *To:* Barry Owen; World wide Open Space Technology email list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
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> Dear all
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> Bar Camp, along with many similar processes, is an attempt to open
> space. Compared to OST it contains more intervention (facilitation and
> control) and that "one more thing to do" can limit space opening because
> space tends to open more effectively for emergent self-organisation when
> we do one thing less - minimal intervention.
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> OST tends towards minimum intervention (especially when we stop fussing
> over where the pens go and stop adding little bits of dogmatic
> facilitation to it).
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> Everything ultimately is self-organisation, but it depends on which self
> or selves are doing the organising.
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> Self-Organizing in a pure form is like a beautiful
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> soft hand moving in the morning sun. OST is a light and fragrant hand
> cream. Bar Camp is an arctic glove.
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> Warm wishes
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> Paul Levy
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> On Wednesday, 24 August 2016, Barry Owen via OSList
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> I could write a veritable book about my experiences with BarCamp here in
> nashville, TN in the past 6 years.
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> It's pseudo self organization at best . . . There's a tip of the hat to
> unconference at the beginning as folks arrive and are invited to write
> down "Things they want to Learn" and "things they want to teach".
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> The "organizers" then fill the schedule while the participants mingle,
> and the event starts (as aforementioned) with a very brief introduction.
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> Most sessions are "teaching" and not open dialog and many are pre-loaded
> speakers who were specifically invited to come with all expenses paid.
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> my understanding is that BarCamp was initially designed as a "Technology
> Conference" for computer Geeks, so perhaps it 'works" better with Geeks.
> Using it for other other purposes (Organizational
> Development/transformation etc) is an unintended use of the original format.
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> So - I think BarCamp serves the intended purpose well - and I believe
> some misguided folks are attempting to plug a square hole with a round
> peg thinking that it's interchangeable with OST
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> My 2 cents
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Amanda Bucklow via OSList
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> I had never heard of BarCamp. I was smiling too as I read Martin’s
> response. If anyone mentions it to me, I will just roll my eyes :-)
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>     On 23 Aug 2016, at 20:51, Eva P Svensson via OSList
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>     Martin,
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>     I smile when I read your text - I can almost feel your irritation
>     over comparing OST with Barcamp :-)
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>     Thank you all who had answered - I now think that I will not ever
>     say that it’s like OST, but that they had borrowed a few thing but
>     got them backwards…(oops)
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>     :o)
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>     Eva
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>         23 aug. 2016 kl. 11:42 skrev Martin Roell via OSList
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>         Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:
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>         Dear friends,
>         Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using
>         BarCamp as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was
>         and when she did that I had a hard time finding the differences
>         between that and Open Space. One thing was that, as she
>         explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 minutes
>         pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>         less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more
>         about it?
>         :o)
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>         I have attended a good number of Barcamps and OST meetings, and I
>         believe I even vented my frustration about BarCamps on this list
>         before. :)
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>         To make a long story short, a few points of how BarCamps are
>         different.
>         (This may be just my limited sample of Barcamps held in Germany
>         in the
>         last 4 years.)
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>         * No circle at the beginning
>         * A ritual "say your name and your three #tags" instead before
>         things
>         start (stopping the flow, boring the hell out of everyone, etc etc)
>         * When announcing a session, one asks for a raise of hands to gauge
>         interest.
>         * The "Facilitator" then allocates you a room ("thank you for
>         announcing
>         your session so cutely. Here's a room for you.")
>         * and sometimes STICKS THE PAPER INTO THE SCHEDULE FOR YOU (you
>         don't
>         get to choose the room for yourself: they do it for you!)
>         * Facilitators generally make looong remarks about BARCAMP
>         before things
>         start and ask for a raise of hands, how many people have attended
>         BARCAMPS before, and how many (more is better)
>         * Facilitators inform people that BARCAMP is AMAAAAZING because:
>         YOU GET
>         TO PARTICPATE! WOW!!1 They make the event more amazing by
>         talking about
>         how amazing it will be (preventing anyone from getting to work).
>         * Much of the butterfly conversation is about BARCAMP and how
>         AMAZING it is.
>         * There is usually no issue, but a "theme" for the event; what gets
>         posted are not "issues" but "sessions". (In the Barcamps I
>         attended, not
>         a single session was posted that had a question mark in it.)
>         * "Sessions" are often teaching, delivered by extroverts
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>         One a more serious note:
>         Barcamp differs from OST culturally, in the sense that it is
>         often used
>         for what I'd call "participatory teaching / knowledge sharing
>         events":
>         In Germany, they seem to become popular with companies now, as a
>         way to
>         save education budgets ("our staff can now share knowledge with
>         eachother! Using BARCAMP!! ITS CHEAPER THAN SEMINARS!!!!"),
>         whereas OST
>         functions... hm, better? more naturally? - as a problem solving...
>         thing. Or so.
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>         Or, very simply and more personal: Everytime I hear someone say
>         something along "Barcamp is not so different from Open Space, is
>         it?" I
>         get quite mad, because I have often seen amazing things happen
>         in Open
>         Space events, and never seen anything amazing happen in BarCamps.
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>         YMMV.
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>         Martin
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