[OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?

Sun Aug 21 18:45:28 PDT 2016

Recent Changes Camp actually was Open Space, not unconference.  We did the
first one Portland in 2006, I think, and it ran around to a number of other
places for some years.  Maybe still is going.  Not sure the form anymore,
but the first ones were definitely OS.

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On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList <
oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Kaliya Hamlin and others can surely chime in. She and friends have worked
> hard to persuade folks that OST is a best way to design an Unconference
> such as Barcamp or Recent Changes Camp or etc.
>
> See their work at unconference.net
>
> Some unconferences use other participatory designs that are not OST and
> they do well, or crash and burn, or what have you.
>
> Ps Dirk - I heard that naming the event Bar was indeed a play on the often
> used term Fubar - after the Foo was found inadequate for the restless
> masses...
>
> Onward with thanks
>
> Jeff
> San Francisco
>
> On Aug 21, 2016 1:26 PM, "Harrison Owen via OSList" <
> oslist at lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>> Dick -- I'm sure you are correct. And Wikipedia does tend to be a little
>> bit wiki... Howsomever -- by whatever name. However any time somebody
>> starts talking about 4 principles and the law of two feet -- sounds a
>> little spacey to me. Kinda of like "The Four Principles of Indian
>> Spirituality." You can look that up on the Web! But at the end of the day--
>> Who cares? I didn't invent it. They didn't either. It's been around for a
>> bit. Somewhat longer than Wiki... or whatever.
>>
>> ho
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>> Of Dirk Riehle via OSList
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:39 PM
>> To: oslist at lists.openspacetech.org
>> Subject: [OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp
>> and OST?
>>
>> If my memory serves me right (and Wikipedia seems to bear this out), the
>> history is the following:
>>
>> There used to be Foocamp, a conference initiated and led by Tim O'Reilly.
>> The Foo in Foocamp supposedly stands for Friends of O'Reilly. O'Reilly is
>> quite influential among what you call "the geeks". There is an alternative
>> explanation of "foo" in that it refers to, well, "foo", which among geeks
>> is a placeholder term for nothing in particular. You use it like "thingy"
>> if you dont really have a term at hand. A random variable name that is.
>>
>> Attendance at Foocamp was invitation-only and so eventually, some people
>> frustrated over not having been invited, created Barcamp as a free and open
>> alternative to Foocamp. Bar, like foo, is also just an empty placeholder
>> for nothing in particular, and in geek lingo, foo and bar always occur
>> together, hence foobar (no relationship to fubar as far as I know).
>>
>> I don't think there is a particular defined structure to barcamps; they
>> are much more loosely organized than open-space-organized events. They tend
>> to have an agenda wall but none or not much of the ceremony that open space
>> provides. So any one event may be quite different from another. Well,
>> that's at least how it was when I last attended such events 10 years ago.
>>
>> Talking semantics then:
>>
>> 1. Foocamp was a particular conference series.
>>
>> 2. Barcamp refers to a widely-copied conference format and is a synonym
>> for unconference.
>>
>> 3. Open space technology is a meeting/event facilitation technique.
>>
>> My understanding is that OST is not a conference format but rather helps
>> structure a meeting/event/conference in a particular way.
>>
>> You can probably tell me whether it is a good idea to embed OST in a
>> conference as one track, with other tracks using more traditional formats
>> (i.e. planned agendas). I used to structure a conference series (WikiSym,
>> now OpenSym, http://opensym.org) using OST, but later general chairs
>> didn't do that; they didn't like OST and probably didn't understand it
>> either.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>> On 21.08.2016 21:15, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
>> > Eva -- you are, as usual, correct. Bar Camp has been around for some
>> years, and it is a copy of OS. I think it had something to do with the
>> geeks wanting to maintain something more like control. So they did the same
>> thing (mostly), and called it something different. Is this called
>> innovation?
>> >
>> > Harrison
>> >
>> > Winter Address
>> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
>> > Potomac, MD 20854
>> > 301-365-2093
>> >
>> > Summer Address
>> > 189 Beaucauire Ave
>> > Camden, ME 04843
>> > 207 763-3261
>> >
>> > Websites
>> > www.openspaceworld.com
>> > www.ho-image.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-bounces at lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf
>> > Of Eva P Svensson via OSList
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:01 PM
>> > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
>> > Subject: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST?
>> >
>> > Dear friends,
>> > Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp
>> as a method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that
>> I had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One
>> thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15
>> minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or
>> less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it?
>> > :o)
>> > Eva
>> >
>> > Skickat från min iPhone
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